"Fake" Ego

[chaseman]

Great points switched.....

I also largely blame vendors (who have been aware of this for a long time) for encouraging this confusion, by continuing to label/brand/refer to their products as genuine (or at least not give any indication otherwise), while not being forthcoming about their true nature. Money is a definite factor, as they are able to sell a "Nike" shoe at "Payless" prices.

The customers (especially noobs) suffer, and threads like this with misinformation (often from other noobs) about how products are all from the same manufacturer emerge again.

Wouldn't you love to be able to say you sell the best products at the best prices?

The problem, IMO, is often that somewhat inferior products, passed off as genuine (whatever type of product their claiming to be) are being sold as "the best products for the best price", when in reality they are lesser quality products at the best price.

Hey (insert sneaky Canadian vendor), I'm so glad you matched my genuine product high pricing from a reputable vendor and beat it with your crappier products. For a moment there, I actually believed I was using a genuine product at a 300% discount.

I guess ignorance truly is bliss

 

[PsychOfMSE]

Generally if the price is too good to be true, it is.

Although the "knockoff" eGos are generally better than genuine eGos.

I'd take a kGo/Riva over a "genuine" eGo any day.

 

[chaseman]

Generally if the price is too good to be true, it is.

Although the "knockoff" eGos are generally better than genuine eGos.

I'd take a kGo/Riva over a "genuine" eGo any day.

I would basically agree.

Preference is personal, so I wouldn't be able to say which options are "best".

Lying to customers and defending actions as an "industry accepted term" or "generality assumed by all", however, is dishonest, regardless of how well worded the explanation is.

As for pricing, you are most probably correct, in that "too good to be true" pricing is indicative of just that.

 

[Toronto_Mike]

My first eGo-T was a genuine joyetech. I added an eGo Booster mod for VV. It works great but drains the battery life pretty quick. I've been using a knockoff EGO LCD for a couple of days - it works with the booster but when the battery life indicator reaches 2 bars - it becomes useless. So there is a difference between genuine & the bootlegs. As said before, you get what you paid for. I will stick to the Joyetechs in the future, but that's just me.

 

[theWayISshut]

Does this mean that other branded eGo products are garbage? No. It just means that you get what you pay for.

Don't know how you can miss something which I mentioned twice in two separate posts in this thread. I just have to repeat it one more time. I paid triple, well, not exactly triple but more than double the amount of a "genuine" ego for the one I bought months ago. So this "you get what you pay for" thing becomes irrelevant.

Tsk. Seems nobody can't backup something that is basically easy to prove. We "noobs" just have to take their word for it.

You guys always make it sound as if voltage-regulated devices are beyond the realm of cloners. It's as if you need an Intel microchip engineer to do it.

 

[theWayISshut]

Trutht is this e-cig business is largely unregulated. Manufacturers can say anything positive about their products without being countered. It's a business preying on "noobs". They can price their products however they want. It's a lucrative business. That's why consumers need to come together instead of debating with one another and end up with "mine is better/superior than yours" arguments.

As soon as I got my first kit I immediately realized I got ripped off. Man, it's a flashlight. It's is a basic device. It's hundred years behind the high-tech devices we see today. This is worth $10 at most. Don't really know why some people always feel the need to defend these companies as if these companies are in the business of making cell phones.

 

[Switched]

Generally if the price is too good to be true, it is.

Although the "knockoff" eGos are generally better than genuine eGos.

I'd take a kGo/Riva over a "genuine" eGo any day.

Not me.....

 

[Switched]

Don't know how you can miss something which I mentioned twice in two separate posts in this thread. I just have to repeat it one more time. I paid triple, well, not exactly triple but more than double the amount of a "genuine" ego for the one I bought months ago. So this "you get what you pay for" thing becomes irrelevant.

Tsk. Seems nobody can't backup something that is basically easy to prove. We "noobs" just have to take their word for it.

You guys always make it sound as if voltage-regulated devices are beyond the realm of cloners. It's as if you need an Intel microchip engineer to do it.

Trutht is this e-cig business is largely unregulated. Manufacturers can say anything positive about their products without being countered. It's a business preying on "noobs". They can price their products however they want. It's a lucrative business. That's why consumers need to come together instead of debating with one another and end up with "mine is better/superior than yours" arguments.

As soon as I got my first kit I immediately realized I got ripped off. Man, it's a flashlight. It's is a basic device. It's hundred years behind the high-tech devices we see today. This is worth $10 at most. Don't really know why some people always feel the need to defend these companies as if these companies are in the business of making cell phones.

I wish you well on your journey, you seem to have all the angles covered.

 

[chaseman]

I wish you well on your journey, you seem to have all the angles covered.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[Nikkita6]

When I first started vaping buying genuine Joye was more of a concern to me however, since then I have tried non-joye 510 threaded products (batts and atties) and I have found that Joye products are NOT better than the knockoffs ... in fact, as it pertains at least to auto batteries, I find Joye to be inferior.

I think there is a thread about this in the newbie section ...

 

[Cokeybill]

Generally if the price is too good to be true, it is.

Although the "knockoff" eGos are generally better than genuine eGos.

I'd take a kGo/Riva over a "genuine" eGo any day.

Had my genuine Joyetech Ego T since mid Aug/2011, all my parts are still in use Batts, Attys and tanks. 5 months of heavy use as I was a 2 pack a day smoker for close to 45 years. I have never had a problem with my kit( just a slight break in period of a week or so.) No leaks, no problems at all. I get a substantial vape that satisfies my nic intake off of 12mg juice. Somewhere along the way, some ego T users that are having problems are causing them themselves. I found enough info on ECF to figure out how to vape successfully with the Ego T. And I thank all the members here that helped in assisting me in the proper way of vaping, maintenance and the use of the Ego T. The vids, PMs...etc were of a great help. Too bad many want instant success and aren't interested in doing some work to get it right. These are "not" 100% foolproof. If you think it's just put it together and vape...you are wrong. PVs do take some work to get it where you want it.

 

[Cokeybill]

When I first started vaping buying genuine Joye was more of a concern to me however, since then I have tried non-joye 510 threaded products (batts and atties) and I have found that Joye products are NOT better than the knockoffs ... in fact, as it pertains at least to auto batteries, I find Joye to be inferior.

I think there is a thread about this in the newbie section ...

There is also info on how they do not work well also. Moreso than so. Atty threads that don't fit properly(ie-tough vape,etc) Batts that don't last long. You might need to read more threads.

 

[ChellyNelly]

You know what they say about opinions, right guys?

We could argue all day over which is the inferior product but we won't get anywhere.

 

[Cokeybill]

The more experienced vapers/modders are the one's that I relate with. They have been there and back again. Their information is the valued input that I feel is more important than that of a newb single PV user. JMO

 

[Mindfield]

Frankly, I don't really give a damn about what parts go into its manufacture as long as they do what they're supposed to. Sure, a basic, unregulated PV is no different than a flashlight. But you're not paying for the materials alone. If you were we'd all be vaping $10 battery box mods. Pricing on PV is no different than pricing on many other electronics and for many of the same reasons. You pay not only for functionality, but for form and style, for extra features, for prestige, for configuration. If you want a cheap, slightly-more-than-a-flashlight PV, go mill your own aluminum tube, wire your own regulator circuit and switch, and be happy with what you have wrought.

I have at least a dozen different PVs, VV, bottom feeder, basic tube, 808s, 510s, eGos, etc. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, their own form and function, and for the most part I like them all, often for slightly different reasons, and I use them all. At the end of the day, if they work and do what I need them to do and seem to be of reasonable quality, then the name on the outside is just ink.

Yes, the industry is unregulated right now. Yes, there is a lot of confusion with different names for the same product and the same products being made by different manufacturers. So what? Does what you have work well for you? What I have works for me, and it also looks good doing it. I don't feel the need to ask if this or that is genuine. I have genuine Joye eGos. They're just fine. I have clones. They're just fine, too, and if the cheap ones die sooner than the name brand ... well, at least they were cheap, and if two cheap ones last longer than one expensive name brand yet perform the same or better, well, then I'm ahead of the game, aren't I?

These days, arguing over the authenticity of Joyetech products is absurd. There are a crapton of clones, and some of them are even superior. Besides, Joyetech has been shooting themselves with both feet with the unreasonable demands they've been placing on vendors who want to carry their products, so don't be surprised if "genuine Joyetech" starts being an epithet instead of a guarantee.

 

[Switched]

Frankly, I don't really give a damn about what parts go into its manufacture as long as they do what they're supposed to. Sure, a basic, unregulated PV is no different than a flashlight. But you're not paying for the materials alone. If you were we'd all be vaping $10 battery box mods. Pricing on PV is no different than pricing on many other electronics and for many of the same reasons. You pay not only for functionality, but for form and style, for extra features, for prestige, for configuration. If you want a cheap, slightly-more-than-a-flashlight PV, go mill your own aluminum tube, wire your own regulator circuit and switch, and be happy with what you have wrought.

I have at least a dozen different PVs, VV, bottom feeder, basic tube, 808s, 510s, eGos, etc. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, their own form and function, and for the most part I like them all, often for slightly different reasons, and I use them all. At the end of the day, if they work and do what I need them to do and seem to be of reasonable quality, then the name on the outside is just ink.

Yes, the industry is unregulated right now. Yes, there is a lot of confusion with different names for the same product and the same products being made by different manufacturers. So what? Does what you have work well for you? What I have works for me, and it also looks good doing it. I don't feel the need to ask if this or that is genuine. I have genuine Joye eGos. They're just fine. I have clones. They're just fine, too, and if the cheap ones die sooner than the name brand ... well, at least they were cheap, and if two cheap ones last longer than one expensive name brand yet perform the same or better, well, then I'm ahead of the game, aren't I?

These days, arguing over the authenticity of Joyetech products is absurd. There are a crapton of clones, and some of them are even superior. Besides, Joyetech has been shooting themselves with both feet with the unreasonable demands they've been placing on vendors who want to carry their products, so don't be surprised if "genuine Joyetech" starts being an epithet instead of a guarantee.

A move that was brought on by shady vendors. Some folks do not like the restrictions placed on them by JoyE. IMO it isn't any different than Imeo telling folks ya wanna sell the GG, ya can't sell anything else.

OTOH nothing states that you can't sell different brands, ya just don't get the Authentic JoyE logo, woopie ding. Folks make mountains out of mole hills. eGo T, same batts same 2 atties going on 10 months. eGo LCD (clone) one dead batt, one leaky atty and one poor atty 5 month old. Opinions are like belly buttons, but folks will never convince me wrt quality. I am not saying that JoyE is infallible, just that the longevity of the rest out there is questionable (hit and miss) That is speaking from experience.

 

[Mindfield]

A move that was brought on by shady vendors. Some folks do not like the restrictions placed on them by JoyE. IMO it isn't any different than Imeo telling folks ya wanna sell the GG, ya can't sell anything else.

OTOH nothing states that you can't sell different brands, ya just don't get the Authentic JoyE logo, woopie ding. Folks make mountains out of mole hills. eGo T, same batts same 2 atties going on 10 months. eGo LCD (clone) one dead batt, one leaky atty and one poor atty 5 month old. Opinions are like belly buttons, but folks will never convince me wrt quality. I am not saying that JoyE is infallible, just that the longevity of the rest out there is questionable (hit and miss) That is speaking from experience.

True, and I've had my share of poor quality devices, too. I'm not saying that the clones are just as good, most of them aren't -- some by a long shot, and in most cases you gets what you pays for. But there are some that are as good, and some that even have certain additional advantages, but are cheaper, and have lower MOQs for vendors. (FWIW, Joyetech's MOQ is 500 pieces, which is a pretty high bar to set unless you're a well-established vendor with a long reach that can easily burn through those 500 units at the prices Joyetech expects you to sell them for. Jack at Happy might be able to do it, but not everyone can take that risk, especially when they can't be very competitive with pricing and can't carry a lower-end clone to help fill the gaps.)

I'm just saying that just because something isn't genuine Joyetech doesn't automatically make it bad. It may not survive the rigors one puts it through as well as a Joyetech, but if it's cheap enough it doesn't really need to.

 

[Charlz]

yes, it seems Joye is trying to take a flashlight and make is seem like it's an Ipad and worthy of it's own store. It's making retailers agree to ridiculous stipulations and over inflated prices in order to sell their products and I'm sure eventually will have their own vaping lounge equivalent to the genius bar. It can be very laughable, considering the product you are dealing with. Remember though, in a competitive environment, most marketing is simply creating the illusion that you can provide something your competitors can't and Joye has really made an effort to brand themselves. Sometimes, the success of branding can be measured in the amount of haters out there these days.

Joye, in an attempt to brand themselves and put out a quality product may loose the ego title to generic phrasing like q-tip and band-aid. You have to remember that in china they have phony apple stores that go out of their way to fool you into thinking you are in a genuine apple store. So swift action has to be taken, albeit absurd to those who are watching it happen. I see both sides and am interested to see how this all plays out. Both as a customer attempting to educate himself and from the marketing standpoint.

perhaps Joye will pull off the e-cig equivelant of what grey goose did to vodka, marketing wise.

That's if they believe we will all forget someday they have a tendency to put products on the market before they are ready, pay a high price for them, and quietly change them without admitting there was a problem with the first ones....... but that's a different story.

 

[theWayISshut]

Until "real" manufacturers step in, nothing much will change for the next couple of years in the e-cig arena. "Real" to me means companies engaged in manufacturing common tools or appliances we see everyday in our households: video players, coffee makers, vacuum cleaners, even remote controls, phones, printers, computers, even clocks, cordless drills, hair trimmers, television sets, hair dryers, even flashlights, etc. Right now, we're at the mercy of entrepreneurs who obviously have very little interest in producing state-of-the art e-cig devices worthy of the price they're asking for. I mean, c'mon, how much is low-priced printer, for example? $50? And we're paying that much for a simple flashlight.

 

[ChellyNelly]

What's a video player?

BTW, theWayISshut, not every single e-cig is terribly overpriced. I think you're making a pretty big generalization there. The first entrepreneur who comes to mind is Parkes Vaping. Please, look on their site and tell me they're ruining this business and are overpricing their products.

Truth is, everything is overpriced, not only some e-cigs. To go with your favourite comparison: You can buy $200 flaslights, does that mean that the parts in the damn thing are worth that much? Of course not, but it's what people will pay which is far more important.

By the way, I'm anxiously awaiting your reply.