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Fakes/clones pro's/con's
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It's not the "physical appearance" of the clone that aided (me) in quitting smoking - it's the performance that a mech offers.
Okay, I can see the fun factor, and that's a Pro (referencing the thread's subject). But to place the entire life or death decision on the fun factor is a bit weird.
Seriously? You're gonna claim that clones are NEEDED to get people off cigarettes? Horsefeathers! There's plenty of effective gear out there that isn't a clone of someone else's original design.
Supporting manufacturers who never had an original thought in their life, who make their living exclusively by copying other people's original designs may be smart from a personal financial standpoint, but it isn't ethical.
Eh dude check this out
Regulated devices that I own
Zmax mini
DNA 30 cloupor,SEVEN30,BIG BANG BOX MOD DUAL 26650.
Unregulated devices
100% copper HADES
TOBH,COPPER,SS (sold) BLACK 26650,BIG KAYFUN,AEROTANK GIANT.
now do you see any clones listed??? None!
And I don't have to spend gazillions dollars for a high end gadget..
I CAN AFFORD IT BUT AT THE SAME TIME IM SMART ABOUT IT,I GUESS IM both kind of vaper..
What about u?
CAN AFFORD
CANT AFFORD
SMART ABOUT !
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Neither does it forbid a different painter from painting the same woman and then selling that. Or a publishing house from mass producing copies of it (yes they needs the rights). Now do these makers have copyrights? Are the clone manufacturers selling them as originals? Heck all the original makers could be sued because they are basically the same.
Let's face it you cannot copyright a tube and a battery. The only thing really different is the engraving. (maybe a switch here or a line there) If they have a copyright, well then send the dogs after them. If they do not? Well good luck proving who was first.
Personally I don't care what people buy. I think it is a racket to charge 200 bucks for these though.
If they pay a penie or two pence more for the reddinesse of them..let them looke to that, a foole and his money is soone parted........ Dr. John Bridges' Defence of the Government of the Church of England, 1587:
I never said anything that u claim I said..all I'm saying in a business stand point clones are needed at this point..not all authentic products are high end when it comes to performance.. Ethical? That's ur own opinion.
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It's not the physical appearance of a device. A good, high quality kayfun clone (ehpro hcigar) and an authentic vape the same!!! I have both. But they vape totally different than any of the tank systems-or aero or nautilus. We all know that. No
One that I know goes out and thinks" I want they Tank it looks cool" and are primarily referring to aesthetics they are referring to how it looks to perform.
Keeping the flavor and/or nicotine delivery satisfactory to someone is the very reason why we all quit. Which last I checked was the reason the vaping industry started.
Did this thread really degenerate that far?
Horses don't have feathers.
Myself and a few other people I know have the feeling of- I'm not dropping over a hundred dollars to "try" an RBA. Is rather take my chances at the poker table. But I WILL buy a good clone and if I like it get an authentic.
My stance on that changed after the Artemis black came out. He modified the kfl and have it more airflow and an easier fill port.
So let's see..... Spend 139 again on another authentic or 45 on a clone made and finished just as nicely but is easier to use and tastes better.
I'm no genius or anything but ummm yeah I'm saving myself some cash especially when the product had been given some solid improvements in my book.
Some sound like they are confusing 'clone' with the word ' fake ' , a clone is a reproduction of an item and it doesn't try to hide what it is , a fake is something that tries to pass as the original item when it clearly is not .
Nothing wrong with clones as long as you know they are what they say they are.
Nothing wrong with clones as long as you know they are what they say they are.
It's not the mechanical clones I worry about, we can always use safe batteries in them.
These are the clones that I DO worry about because we have no idea what kind of battery they put in there.
They could even have recycled batteries in them for all we know.
These are the clones that I DO worry about because we have no idea what kind of battery they put in there.
They could even have recycled batteries in them for all we know.
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By that definition I've never seen a fake. I only buy ehpro, hcigar or infinity clones as they are the higher quality. They're also the more expensive; which is why I say that if the authentics prices were down below 75 bucks I would never buy clones.
It's not the mechanical clones I worry about, we can always use safe batteries in them.
These are the clones that I DO worry about.
What is that?
And yeah if it has a board or electrical components buying a clone is a real roll of the dice. And a roll I'm not willing to risk.
Ej, you can call those anything you want to . It really makes no difference to me. I own several clones/copies/counterfeits/fakes and I own many actual authentics. I like them all. I call my clones clones. If tobeco puts "TOBH" or "Hades" or something they made a different size or color, its your right to call it authentic. It makes for good reading.
Hahaha
Got my first speeding ticket in a ford Taurus a weak after I got my lic.
That car was a piece of :: I tried telling the cop that if slowed down the car would stall. When he stopped laughing at my poor bell ash he gave me the ticket.
I don't whats funnier ... racing in a Ford Taurus, or having to drive fast so your car won't stall.You still don't get my point.. We'll anyhow VAPEON
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Um, just give the original designer the money if it means so much to you. And I've done this for services, artwork, you name it. I really like something and use it a lot, I'll send the person doing it $5 or so. Works and then there's almost no overhead to keep the money from getting to the person or people doing the work.
It's not hard. Ask the designer if they have a paypal account. If they do, send them a few bucks. If not, ask if they have some kind of micro payment system and send them a few bucks.
Lets see, $2-3 dollars for ONE piece vs. 25 to 50 cents per piece profit after all is said and done. For music and books the difference is even greater. The artist makes almost nothing off those so if you actually give them a few dollars, they're way ahead.
Then you can have your RBA and you're supporting innovation, more than actually buying the original. What's not to like? Oh, and if they get smart and set up a tip jar, they can claim those as donations and not income. Sweet.
It's not hard. Ask the designer if they have a paypal account. If they do, send them a few bucks. If not, ask if they have some kind of micro payment system and send them a few bucks.
Lets see, $2-3 dollars for ONE piece vs. 25 to 50 cents per piece profit after all is said and done. For music and books the difference is even greater. The artist makes almost nothing off those so if you actually give them a few dollars, they're way ahead.
Then you can have your RBA and you're supporting innovation, more than actually buying the original. What's not to like? Oh, and if they get smart and set up a tip jar, they can claim those as donations and not income. Sweet.
Meh
This topic.
A very good authentic is difficult to cost effectively clone, and still end up with a good quality clone. (case in point - ELA - one recently went in the aftermarket for $1200. They sell out in hours when available-$278. This is a typical piece that would be cloned. An attempt to clone was made, and never got off the ground.)
As for Kayfun clones, I have tried them. They vape differently than my original. Not, better, just differently. If you like it, then good. Just because you like it doesn't mean others will, so better is a matter of opinion.
At the end of the day, if you enjoy a beautifully crafted device, in which each detail is attended to with such care that it is obviously a quality device, you won't find it with clones - and unfortunately, you won't get it with a whole lot of authentics. This lowering of authentic quality as machinists cash in on the vape craze has contributed to the whole clone is as good as the original thing.
If you like clones, then you would never see the difference, or if you do, it's not enough to bother you, and you will never see why an authentic is worth the money...but this does not give you the right to say that a clone buyer is smart, as this blatantly insinuates that an authentic buyer is stupid.
This whole subject is stupid on this forum anyways. The balance is tipped towards a heavy bais to clones.
Posters regularly state that their clone is better than the original, and on the SAME DAY in the SAME FORUM ask how to fix the crunchy switch on the SAME clone.....and don't get called on it.
So let's stop the hate and vape and enjoy what we got for whatever reason we got it.
This topic.
A very good authentic is difficult to cost effectively clone, and still end up with a good quality clone. (case in point - ELA - one recently went in the aftermarket for $1200. They sell out in hours when available-$278. This is a typical piece that would be cloned. An attempt to clone was made, and never got off the ground.)
As for Kayfun clones, I have tried them. They vape differently than my original. Not, better, just differently. If you like it, then good. Just because you like it doesn't mean others will, so better is a matter of opinion.
At the end of the day, if you enjoy a beautifully crafted device, in which each detail is attended to with such care that it is obviously a quality device, you won't find it with clones - and unfortunately, you won't get it with a whole lot of authentics. This lowering of authentic quality as machinists cash in on the vape craze has contributed to the whole clone is as good as the original thing.
If you like clones, then you would never see the difference, or if you do, it's not enough to bother you, and you will never see why an authentic is worth the money...but this does not give you the right to say that a clone buyer is smart, as this blatantly insinuates that an authentic buyer is stupid.
This whole subject is stupid on this forum anyways. The balance is tipped towards a heavy bais to clones.
Posters regularly state that their clone is better than the original, and on the SAME DAY in the SAME FORUM ask how to fix the crunchy switch on the SAME clone.....and don't get called on it.
So let's stop the hate and vape and enjoy what we got for whatever reason we got it.
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Tell me about it. I was 15 years old; so, not sure if I'm remembering this right. But I think it had something to do with the catalytic converter needing enough back pressure so it had to rev high to keep going. What a piece of crap that car was. 50 shades of blue and drove like a big turd.
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