Fantastic initial success in illinois - more action needed next week.....

[Hudsonkm]

Yup.

To put this in perspective, which we did at the hearing, here are the relative amounts of TSNAs:

Nicotine Patch: 8
Nicotine Gum: 2
E-cigs: 8
Marlboro cig: 11,190

Duh-uh.

Frankly, if the health professionals and FDA find the level of TSNAs in e-cig dangerous, then they need to immediately pull the nicotine patch off the market.

But wait! E-Cigarettes come in so many flavors and therefore they are designed to appeal to children!

Oh I forgot... So does the gum.

Earlier today I noticed on one flavor of the gum sold in the store it said.

"Fight fire with fire with new HOT CINNAMON blast!"

Made me laugh a bit.

 

[BigJimW]

That is nothing short of AWESOME!!! Congratulations everyone! If this ban does end up getting killed, it's not only good news for Illinois, it's good news for all of us. It will be precedent-setting.

Indeed, this may make it easier to lobby the other states looking to ban them, however, it does not mean success in all states. But it's worth a shot.

 

[mini_art]

If other states use their brains they will encourage local stores for ecigs and reap the tax benefits instead of banning. You have to pay sales tax if something is bought in your state even over the internet, so they would be idiots to not want brick and morter shops for this too.

 

[crashinbrn]

a big congratz guys.

i can't tell ya how happy i am for all of you

 

[Neon]

Bravo!!!! Whoop Whoop !!

 

[yvilla]

Weren't the trace amounts of carcinogens only found in 1 of the samples the FDA tested? Think I read somewhere that there were questions about possible contamination causing the reading.

TWolf, you are partly confusing the less than 1% of DEG found by the lab that did the FDA study, yes in only one cartridge, with the FDA findings regarding TSNA's.

DEG is not a carcinogen; it is what the FDA called a "toxic" chemical in it's infamous press release. It is also what is thought to have been merely a contaminant, as it is clearly NOT an ingredient of any ecig liquid, and can sometimes be found in trace amounts in PG, even USP PG.

As for the trace amounts of TSNA's found in the FDA study, they were so small they were not even quantified. Further, they were also not found in every cartridge tested, but only in some.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf

The quantitation figures we do have for the amounts of TSNAs in ecigs, which is comparable to the amounts found in FDA approved NRTs, come from Laugesen's study of ecig cartridges.
(See, The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: Comparison of Carcinogen Levels Shows that Electronic Cigarettes are Much Safer Than Conventional Ones)

 

[lotus14]

Way to go people!

A BIG thank you to everyone who attended.

Just goes to show that when confronted with real facts, even politicians have to question the wisdom of these bans.

 

[Thulium]

So you mean that while they were in what we would intake into our systems, there is no danger in the second hand vapor to others?

"No Danger" is a bit overreaching because additional testing is needed, but as Dr. Seigel put it, "There is no reasonable concern." The FDA did not test the vapor exhaled by a person, but rather simulated the operation of the e-cigarette.

Although I won't go so far as to say there is no danger, there is no reason to expect "secondhand vapor" to be any more dangerous than the exhaled breath of a person using Nicorette Gum or the Commit lozenge.

Weren't the trace amounts of carcinogens only found in 1 of the samples the FDA tested? Think I read somewhere that there were questions about possible contamination causing the reading.

Keep in mind the difference between carcinogens (things that have been known to cause cancer) and toxins (things that can make you sick).

Some TSNA's are known to be carcinogenic, but the type and amount of TSNA's found in e-cigarette cartridges is comparable to the levels in FDA Approved NRT's.

I would presume it is because the vaporization process mixes less than a drop (.05ml) of e-liquid into several liters of air that the TSNA's were below the threshold of detection so it is possible that they are not eliminated, but all reason for concern should be.

Quote from the FDA's Evaluation of e-cigarettes:

HSGC-MS analysis was conducted at 60°C to simulate the temperature that would be encountered during activation of an e-cigarette. Nicotine was detected in both products for all cartridges containing low, medium and high levels of nicotine but was not observed in cartridges identified as containing no nicotine. Screening for the possible tobacco specific impurities cotinine, nicotine-N-oxide, nornicotine, anabasine and myosmine was negative. β-Nicotyrine was detected in all Njoy cartridges but was not detected in the Smoking Everywhere cartridges.

Some of the above carcinogens were detected in testing of several of the whole cartridge, and approximately 1% DEG was found in just one cartridge (SE's 555 High--which was no longer available for sale by the time the report was published). DEG is the "toxic ingredient in antifreeze" often bandied about, while Propylene Glycol actually used in antifreeze to make it non-toxic.

One or more TSNA's were found in all of the cartridges (except those advertised as containing no nicotine), DEG was found in just the one. Neither was detected in the actual vapor.

 

[CaptJay]

That is nothing short of AWESOME!!! Congratulations everyone! If this ban does end up getting killed, it's not only good news for Illinois, it's good news for all of us. It will be precedent-setting.

I am thrilled that you people were able to accomplish this. Furthermore, I am thrilled that those Illinois lawmakers decided to actually use their brains and educate themselves.

I hope youre right and no disrespect to the lawmakers of Illinois, but IS it that they want more education or did they panic seeing actual grassroots, ordinary normal American VOTERS (and not longhaired pipe smokin' fringe-livin' weirdos) attending that they saw their positions in office flash before their eyes?
This is the brilliant thing about vapers - most of us are normal everyday folks (yes Im aware Im making generalisations lol) - your neighbors, your church member, your teacher, your store worker - we ARE America, and we're standing up to be counted.
Beware people in office all over the country - you have roused a sleeping giant by your implication of money over health and it will not go away quietly now.
Good work to all that went I hope the good lawmakers of Illinois (presuming my cynical observations are incorrect) will educate themselves and put HEALTH and reduced harm before CASH.

 

[ScubaFrog1]

Its about time our politicians did something other than being corrupt and robbing us blind.

 

[davidb]

The Chair of the Human Services Committee, Naomi Jakobsson, has removed herself as a co-sponsor of the bill.

When I saw that on bill status earlier this afternoon I had a big on my face.

Every person who sent in letters, called their rep, informed their fellow vapors about the bill, and took spent the day to make their presence known deserve a cookie.

While it is not a total win yet, it is good to know that there are people out there listening.

 

[Riplea]

Thanks to all who attended the meeting and are going to the next one. I have emailed and sent letters to all on the list. Hope we can squash this bill. Don't stop now.

 

[curiousJan]

Day off scheduled and approved. I will be there!!

And I'm sending mail to all my vaping converts to see if they want to join me.

Jan

 

[Safira]

UPDATE: It is scheduled for a hearing on April 21st 9:00 a.m. Stratton Building, Room D-1.

The Chair of the Human Services Committee, Naomi Jakobsson, has removed herself as a co-sponsor of the bill.

We'll follow up with Rep. Colvin's office regarding his intentions and will post any information we receive. In the meanwhile, Illinois vapers plan on showing up for the hearing.

Um well you know the 21st is my birthday, I think you can all guess what I'd like for my birthday.

 

[IFiddle]

Excellent news everyone! Awesome work!

 

[Kobudo]

This is the happiest thing I've heard all day! Congrats to the Illinois vapers from the next state East!

 

[Drummel]

All this is a fantastic first step. Thank you to all that were able to make the drive and attend!

I am not attending, but I've sent snail mail and emails. I know everyone that truly cares is trying in the best way they can/knows how.

Keep up the fantastic efforts everyone and congratulations on this step!

 

[laborer75]

My buddies and I will definately be attending again. The more vaporers we can get to show up, the better. Look forward to meeting more peeps.

 

[lotus14]

Although I won't go so far as to say there is no danger, there is no reason to expect "secondhand vapor" to be any more dangerous than the exhaled breath of a person using Nicorette Gum or the Commit lozenge....

Well, you're right - more testing is need. Real testing.

I would point out that the gum or lozenge do not produce clouds of vapor which do visibly hang in the air.

Suppose I'm vaping big clouds out of my PV. Which I love to do!

It seems reasonable to assume that nicotine is present in the exhaled vapor. Suppose I'm riding in a car, windows up, and vaping away. It seems unreasonable to assume the other occupants aren't getting a little nicotine dose as well. A very addictive substance as we all know.

I do not do this when riding with non-smokers, I either don't vape or crack the window if it's a long ride. I do not vape at all when there is a child in the car.

 

[Thulium]

Well, you're right - more testing is need. Real testing.

I would point out that the gum or lozenge do not produce clouds of vapor which do visibly hang in the air.

But that is probably the only difference: You can see it.

Suppose I'm vaping big clouds out of my PV. Which I love to do!

It seems reasonable to assume that nicotine is present in the exhaled vapor. Suppose I'm riding in a car, windows up, and vaping away. It seems unreasonable to assume the other occupants aren't getting a little nicotine dose as well. A very addictive substance as we all know.

I asked Dr. Michael Seigel that very question and he said that bystanders don't get any appreciable amount of nicotine from sidestream smoke --much less anything exhaled.

I do not do this when riding with non-smokers, I either don't vape or crack the window if it's a long ride. I do not vape at all when there is a child in the car.

According to Dr. Seigel, there is no reason for concern. I will ask or open a window if I am around someone who doesn't like the smell or is sensitive to PG in a small space like a car, but most of the time I just make sure to turn on the defrost if its cold and the fog is lingering. (PG/VG vapor is basically the same thing as seeing your own breath in winter... I sometimes entertain myself by exhaling my vapor into a glass of ice )