FastTech is all the Buzz!!!

[kiwivap]

Not the link I've got, they're not! $41.08 iTaste SVD Telescoping Variable Voltage Electronic Cigarette Battery Compartment at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping It's been sitting on my shopping cart since early this morning... Says ships in 5 days

Yes, that's the one out of stock. I've been communicating with them about it and their "ships in 5 business days". My order for that is over 5 business day already and still not shipped. They have told me quite clearly today they were out of stock and those exact SVDs are in short supply. They also advised me they got 100 of them in this week but those went to fill orders made on 4 June, and they have ordered some more in. I know what I'm talking about here. They advertise items that they don't actually have in stock - if it doesn't say it ships within a day then it means they don't actually have it.

 

[Capt.shay]

my second package ordered 3 days later has now caught up with my other package sitting in Burlingame. It amazes me that China can process, pack and ship a package across the ocean before USPS can get it out of a sort facility.

 

[bunker0617]

I like low wattage and 2200mah is lasting me 2-2.5 days. Hmm, doing the math that may actually work out just right 3ml a day times 2.5 would be just about right.

I can't wait to see what 3400's do.

Here, let me tempt you a little further... $16.29 Panasonic NCR18650B Rechargeable 3400mAh 3.7V 18650 Lithium Batteries 2-pack - authentic cells / 2-pack at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping Previously, I paid 15 bucks EACH...

Just ordered thanks!

 

[tddman66]

Yes, that's the one out of stock. I've been communicating with them about it and their "ships in 5 business days". My order for that is over 5 business day already and still not shipped. They have told me quite clearly today they were out of stock and those exact SVDs are in short supply. They also advised me they got 100 of them in this week but those went to fill orders made on 4 June, and they have ordered some more in. I know what I'm talking about here. They advertise items that they don't actually have in stock - if it doesn't say it ships within a day then it means they don't actually have it.

I can also confirm if you order one item that is out of stock it can hold up your entire order for way longer than the "ships in * of days" It can turn into weeks... I'm there now.

 

[Butters78]

I can also confirm if you order one item that is out of stock it can hold up your entire order for way longer than the "ships in * of days" It can turn into weeks... I'm there now.

You could probably open a ticket and tell them you don't mind if they shipped the bulk of your order now, and they can send the out of stock item later.

Speaking of shipping mine isn't here yet lol. The tracking hadn't moved since yesterday in NJ. I'm hoping tomorrow.

 

[Sadluckdame]

I have 3400 mAh Panasonic batteries that last me two days... Are you sure about that?

Can these be used in Silver Bullets?
I'd love that!

 

[nipurava]

guys who are buying Panasonic NCR18650B Rechargeable 3400mAh 3.7V is some info regarding them

this post i have come across in the thread regarding using NCR18650B 3400mAh in e-cig mods

Those batteries should NOT be used in VV/VW devices or mech mods. They might work fine and perform well in your device, but do you really know what is going on inside the device?

VV/VW devices use pulse width modulation to in order to operate. These pulses can drain the battery at rates as high as 9 amps. Not good for a battery with a max discharge rate of 6.8A.

The protection features of the device are NOT the same as having a protection circuit on the battery and should never be justification for using unprotected ICR batteries!

the next best options are CGR18650CH and NCR18650PD

[Announcer voice] On this installment of Battery Busters^TM: Is the newest, trendiest, battery really the best? Stay tuned for more...

Ok, now that I got that out...what is best? Best for you? Best for someone else? Best for everyone? Best for mech's? Best for VV?

There is not a single answer that covers all of those questions. "Best" is reserved for a very narrow scope with a specific use on a specific PV for a specific person. There are a handful of batteries that will perform very well over the entire spectrum, but "best" needs to be specific.

So lets take a look at how they perform...

CGR18650CH 2250mAh vs NCR18650PD 2900mAh



3A discharge = ~1.3Ω coil in a mech mod, or ~10W on a VV or VW device.

Most won't vape a mech mod down below 3.5V so anything below 3.5V should be ignored. They are pretty similar with the NCR18650PD having a slight advantage.

On a VV/VW device the NCR18650PD has a decent run-time advantage if you run it down to the PV's low voltage cutoff of 3.2V.

Now lets turn up the heat...

CGR18650CH 2250mAh vs NCR18650PD 2900mAh @ 7A



7A = ~.6Ω coil on a mech mod.

CGR18650CH has a moderate advantage in holding a higher voltage under heavier load. The NCR18650PD shows (IMO) a slightly disturbing plateau @ 3.6V. Typically this happens when the battery is being pushed close to it's limit (chemically) and once the cell gains some heat the chemical process improves resulting in the plateau.

Old and forgotten? AW IMR 1600mAh vs NCR18650PD





AW IMR 1600mAh holds much better voltage under heavy load. Meaning your mech mod will have more run-time before you hit the point where you typically change to a fresh battery.
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So the answer to what is the best battery? There is no correct answer. But if you can narrow it down to your specific use, then the correct answers will start to appear. The current trend, or the latest and "greatest" may not be the correct answer. Sometimes "Old and forgotten" might be a better choice.

In the context of this thread:
-The NCR18650PD would perform very well in a VV/VW device that is limited to 15w or in a mech mod with a >1.3Ω coil.
-In a Mech mod with a <1.3Ω coil. The old and forgotten AW IMR 1600mAh performs great and is readily available from many retailers. However, there is also the Samsung INR18650-20R 2000mAh that will outperform the AW 1600 across the board...but it is not so readily available.

here in the graph you can see that all the extra mah of these battery are below 3.2v which are unusable in VV/VW mods
and these are the extra mah for the CGR18650CH and NCR18650PD which are 2250mah and 2900mah respectively.
and what the point in getting 3400mah which has max discharge rate of 6.8A.
where as these both CGR18650CH and NCR18650PD battery's have max discharge rate of 10A.

from the above graphs and some discussion with Rader2146

The CGR/CH holds a higher voltage longer than the NCR/PD. Since most people wont vape a mech mod down below 3.5V, you can ignore the curves below that voltage. At 7A (~0.6Ω coil) the only advantage that the NCR/PD has is below ~3.1V where the lines cross. Nobody would vape at that voltage. Another factor is the immediate drop in voltage from the beginning. The CGR/CH drops about .25V where the NCR/PD drops nearly .5V. This means that every time you press the button you will likely have a .25V advantage with the CGR/CH. Unless you are a serious chain vaper, you wont be holding the button long enough to build up any heat to improve the chemical response to let the NCR/PD plateau out.

i have come to a conclusion that
NCR18650PD is best for VV/VW devices as they also last longer than CGR18650CH in VV/VW mods
and
CGR18650CH is best for mechanical mods

and pls you also do your research regarding which battery is best for your device and come to a conclusion.
hope this is helpful.

 

[xbassman]

Can these be used in Silver Bullets?
I'd love that!

As long as you aren't vaping @ high wattage the protected version will work well.
Otherwise see above.... ^^^^^^^^^

 

[Butters78]

Solid info nipurava. I guess I'll be getting a set of both lol.

 

[nipurava]

Solid info nipurava. I guess I'll be getting a set of both lol.

thank you EricHill
i see some people here using NCR18650B 3400mah battery
hope they come across this info.

 

[xbassman]

thank you EricHill
i see some people here using NCR18650B 3400mah battery
hope they come across this info.

Yep, A lot of folks buying those.
Evic has it in it's firmware as well.....

 

[Myk]

guys who are buying Panasonic NCR18650B Rechargeable 3400mAh 3.7V is some info regarding them

this post i have come across in the thread regarding using NCR18650B 3400mAh in e-cig mods

And now my head starts spinning making me want to throw my Vamo in the trash and never consider another mod again. (I think it's even giving me a migraine, seriously.)
I really just want to vape and not be charging batteries every day and filling tanks 3 times a day. I don't want to become an electronics manufacturer.
If that's what it takes to use these batteries I can go back to eGo-C batteries and be happy enough.

That whole thread makes no sense.
Tell me what battery you see here, Joyetech eVic 3400mAh battery
(look at the battery not what they call it). (I've heard they're protected and I've heard they're not. But since Vamo people use them and love them I'm guessing not.)
Rader says in that thread not to use unprotected batteries in VV/VW mods and not to rely on those mod's protection. But the fact is protected batteries won't fire at least some of those mods because the protection will shut it down. Vamo's manual says not to use protected batteries.

Are those charts supposed to be the same as the VS listed above them? Why aren't they, rebranding? That's confusing as everything else, here are these numbers vs these numbers and a chart showing completely different numbers.
If Vamo has a 5amp and eVic has a 2.5amp switch do I really need to be concerned whether the battery I use is limited to 6.8amp or 10amp?

I know in the Vamo battery thread people are using Panasonic NCR18650B, pretty sure the same ones Joye sends out for eVics and loving them. eVic people are loving them.
I would suggest going to the model specific forums and see what other people are having success with in the mod you want to use it in.

I know my Vamo came with CGR18650CH and runs for over 48 hours at the wattages I run.

 

[nipurava]

first off all i am not talking about safety or protection

and i really dont know any thing about ncr/b's
i have just posted what i came across.

all i wanted to say was cgr/ch and ncr/pd have some mah left which are usefull under 3.2V and it is not usable in our devices so why bothering 3400mah battery with max discharge rate @ 6.8A where you can buy a better battery @ better price

cgr/ch,efest 2250mah,obtronic imr 2250 are all made by panasonic just diff name.

 

[shannannagans]

Just got an email from FastTech. They're adding the pyrex 3.5 vivi novas to their to-do list and will email me when they get them in stock. So...fingers crossed! I'll let you guys know if I hear anything else

 

[shannannagans]

$15.56 Kanger Protank Clearomizer with Pyrex Glass Tank (2.5mL) - silver / 2.5 And the protank is back. $15.56 with "decorative ring" and extra "coil head."

 

[tddman66]

$15.56 Kanger Protank Clearomizer with Pyrex Glass Tank (2.5mL) - silver / 2.5 And the protank is back. $15.56 with "decorative ring" and extra "coil head."

The Pro Tank from $9 to $10, to $12 and today over $15.00.... Fat Tech is going to end just like a Walmart coming to town. First they undercut all the competition and drive them out of business and then they raise prices. Only Fast Tech is starting the price hikes before all the competition is gone. Since when is two extra heads and a beauty ring worth 6 dollars? This also means they removed the heads and beauty ring from the other deals even when the box pictured shows the slots that would hold these parts. I have never noticed a USA seller offer a Pro Tank without the full kit. You can buy the Pro Tank in the USA for this and not wait weeks to receive it!

I guess you will need to ask Fast Tech if the PCB boards are included with the Mods if they are not clearly pictured as they may have removed them to sell in another listing... It's not a deal when you have to buy 3 items to make the same set USA vendors offer. Why support slave labor at these prices?

 

[tddman66]

And now my head starts spinning making me want to throw my Vamo in the trash and never consider another mod again. (I think it's even giving me a migraine, seriously.)
I really just want to vape and not be charging batteries every day and filling tanks 3 times a day. I don't want to become an electronics manufacturer.
If that's what it takes to use these batteries I can go back to eGo-C batteries and be happy enough.

That whole thread makes no sense.
Tell me what battery you see here, Joyetech eVic 3400mAh battery
(look at the battery not what they call it). (I've heard they're protected and I've heard they're not. But since Vamo people use them and love them I'm guessing not.)
Rader says in that thread not to use unprotected batteries in VV/VW mods and not to rely on those mod's protection. But the fact is protected batteries won't fire at least some of those mods because the protection will shut it down. Vamo's manual says not to use protected batteries.

Are those charts supposed to be the same as the VS listed above them? Why aren't they, rebranding? That's confusing as everything else, here are these numbers vs these numbers and a chart showing completely different numbers.
If Vamo has a 5amp and eVic has a 2.5amp switch do I really need to be concerned whether the battery I use is limited to 6.8amp or 10amp?

I know in the Vamo battery thread people are using Panasonic NCR18650B, pretty sure the same ones Joye sends out for eVics and loving them. eVic people are loving them.
I would suggest going to the model specific forums and see what other people are having success with in the mod you want to use it in.

I know my Vamo came with CGR18650CH and runs for over 48 hours at the wattages I run.

The Vamo has a far superior protected PCB compared to the typical protected battery PCB. You have a diode that protects against reverse polarity, over discharge protection that stops the device from working and shows Lo on the LCD, and short circuit protection with reset. Not using a protected battery in a Vamo is like using a protected battery in a Mechanical Mod. Both have one form of protection (myself I would rather have the Vamo's PCB over the typical battery PCB.

Batteries are not a huge mystery or bomb just waiting to go off. You really have to abuse one to cause it to gas off. Millions of laptops have packs full of unprotected batteries... They use a PCB board just like what is in your Vamo. Laptops do not use protected batteries along with a PCB. Using protected batteries in some devices with a protected PCB can cause the device to malfunction.

Don't short them, Don't overcharge them, Don't over discharge them, don't put them in backwards (reverse polarity). Don't charge them when they are hot. A bit of reading here on the internet can have you confident on these procedures. You are by far the best form of protection! Any form of PCB can malfunction. Ohms law is your friend.

 

[Ref Minor]

The Pro Tank from $9 to $10, to $12 and today over $15.00.... Fat Tech is going to end just like a Walmart coming to town. First they undercut all the competition and drive them out of business and then they raise prices. Only Fast Tech is starting the price hikes before all the competition is gone. Since when is two extra heads and a beauty ring worth 6 dollars? This also means they removed the heads and beauty ring from the other deals even when the box pictured shows the slots that would hold these parts. I have never noticed a USA seller offer a Pro Tank without the full kit. You can buy the Pro Tank in the USA for this and not wait weeks to receive it!

I guess you will need to ask Fast Tech if the PCB boards are included with the Mods if they are not clearly pictured as they may have removed them to sell in another listing... It's not a deal when you have to buy 3 items to make the same set USA vendors offer. Why support slave labor at these prices?

I suggest you buy items at the best deal you can find, it's not about supporting Murican middlemen or being a FT fanboy, it is simply a business deal, if FT offer the best deal for YOU, then buy from them, if Mom & Pop Vape Store offers you a better deal then buy from them. You are not making friends, you are just buying a product.

 

[tddman66]

I suggest you buy items at the best deal you can find, it's not about supporting Murican middlemen or being a FT fanboy, it is simply a business deal, if FT offer the best deal for YOU, then buy from them, if Mom & Pop Vape Store offers you a better deal then buy from them. You are not making friends, you are just buying a product.

I'll give you 50% of that.... You also need to consider if the best deal today is the best deal for the overall picture? When walmart first came to town and they undercut mom and pop by a few bucks it was the best deal right? Now that everyone did as you suggest and took that best deal of the day mom and pop went out of business. Now walmart has tripled the price. Did you make the best long term business deal? If you are buying China brands you are supporting the sweat shops.... pretty hard not to do that because we manufacture next to nothing in this country!

Another huge factor is it will be much simpler for the government to hand this industry over to big tobacco with fewer mom and pops. Save a few bucks now and pay the price when the only game is BT.

 

[Capt.shay]

The Pro Tank from $9 to $10, to $12 and today over $15.00.... Fat Tech is going to end just like a Walmart coming to town. First they undercut all the competition and drive them out of business and then they raise prices. Only Fast Tech is starting the price hikes before all the competition is gone. Since when is two extra heads and a beauty ring worth 6 dollars? This also means they removed the heads and beauty ring from the other deals even when the box pictured shows the slots that would hold these parts. I have never noticed a USA seller offer a Pro Tank without the full kit. You can buy the Pro Tank in the USA for this and not wait weeks to receive it!

I guess you will need to ask Fast Tech if the PCB boards are included with the Mods if they are not clearly pictured as they may have removed them to sell in another listing... It's not a deal when you have to buy 3 items to make the same set USA vendors offer. Why support slave labor at these prices?

Flirty market. They sell them for what they can get them for plus their mark up. In two weeks when the "Pro Tank II" comes out you will see these for $4.99. The E-Cig market changes by the hour.