Fda approval!

[JustMeAgain]

For some reason I’m not allowed to start a new thread, so I’m posting this here:

As I’ve read about suggestions to contact our representatives, etc., I had a thought. Could this problem with the FDA and ecigarettes not be considered a violation of civil rights? We are entitled to ‘pursuit of happiness’ when it does not infringe on the rights of others, and those selling the product are being deprived of their right to ‘pursuit of livelihood’.

We haven’t seen Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson around in awhile. Maybe they need a new project. If anything could be called outrageous, this is it.

It is unbelievable that a product with this much potential to help people in ways beyond belief, yet our myopic government, coupled with the legalistic do-gooders of the world using their (our) resources to attack a product in a purer form than one that is already readily available, but isn't co-mingled with hundreds of dangerous chemicals, is being withheld.

Why does the FDA have the right to seize when what they should be doing to ease their conscience (assuming they have one) is to slap a warning label on the product and let it go at that. They could also require proof of consistency in the amount of nicotine in the carts within a set time limit.

I know, I’m preaching to the choir here, but it is all so disingenuous and makes me furious.

Concerns about ‘teens being attracted to the ecig’ are just stupid. It appears that energy drinks are not under FDA regulation because they have a small amount of vitamins which makes them a "health supplement". Yet I have read of at least one teen dying of a caffiene overdose. How about tossing a little B vitamin into the PG?

I can’t post links here yet, but here are some excerpts from an article in USA Today in October of last year:

One hundred scientists and physicians have written a letter to the Food and Drug Administration asking for more regulation of increasingly popular energy drinks because their high caffeine content puts young drinkers at possible risk for caffeine intoxication and higher rates of alcohol-related injuries.

The drinks are aggressively marketed to young men as performance enhancers, with ads and promotions often linked to extreme sports.

"You can pick up a can and drink it and get 50 milligrams, which is the amount in a Mountain Dew, or pick one up and get 500 milligrams, and that's enough to put someone who hasn't built up a tolerance to caffeine into caffeine intoxication, resulting in nervousness, anxiety, restlessness, insomnia, nausea, vomiting, tremors and rapid heart rate," Griffiths says.

The Mayo Clinic has a list of caffeine content in energy drinks:

AMP Tall Boy Energy Drink, 16 ounces (oz.)
143
Enviga, 12 oz.
100
Full Throttle, 16 oz.
144
Full Throttle Fury, 16 oz.
144
Monster Energy, 16 oz.
160
No Name (formerly known as .......), 8.4 oz.
280
Red Bull, 8.3 oz.
76
Rockstar, 16 oz.
160
SoBe Adrenaline Rush, 16 oz.
152
SoBe No Fear, 16 oz.
174
Vault, 8 oz.
47



My grandma used to have a saying ‘Gag on a gnat, swallow a camel’ I think I finally understand what she meant.

So, am I way off track here with the civil liberties thing, or is it something worth pursuing?

 

[paladinx]

Its a complicated thing to me. Because there are two ways of viewing it. When you live in a democratic, liberal free-capitalistic society, you do not want the government budding in too much. I mean socialism is where the government controls everything. And people have been getting paranoid with the patriot act etc etc. Every watch V for vendetta?

But on the same hand, when you give companies too much freedom, it can backfire on you as well. Sometimes it really does take government regulation to stop corporations from doing whatever they can get away with. And that is happening a lot today. With the big money and power of corporations those CEOs are getting away with a lot of things they shouldn't. This can be true for many industries including the automotive/oil, pharmaceuticals etc.

I think the problem is the greed that fuels capitalism. It feeds it well in the early stages it is almost the gasoline of the economic engine. But that greed is a double edged sword and sooner or later it leads to stagnation. To me the danger is when power becomes too centralized. A government controlling everything is equally as bad as corporations controlling everything. There has to be a division of power. A world where congressman cannot get paid off to pass bills. A dream world haha. In the ideal world, corporations need to be free to compete and the government has to regulate them in the best interest of the people. But unfortunately that does not happen too often.

A small humorous analogy. Imagine what still would be in our hotdogs today if it weren't for the government setting regulation standards?

 

[jim420]

YEEEEEEHAAAAAAA! This sets the precedent. Other manufacturers will be able to leverage their way in because of this ruling.
Now if they don't "control" the juice due to it's nicotine content we should be in clover. My big concern is that Congress will try to tax it to death. (Gee, have they done that with anything else?)

 

[pwholmes]

Paladinx

I took your post as sarcastic humor. I am not a touchy person, if someone said hey paladin shut ur mouth u sound like a ......, id laugh and be like well maybe hes right! People get way too touchy on forums these days. We are all here for a purpose, some might be more pessimistic like me or paranoid, some might be gung ho and all for it. But in the end we need all types of people to make it successful.

regards

Paladinx, you are a true New Yorker. I grew up near the City in New Jersey (Verona) and know that New Yorkers who like to dish it out can take it as well. After reading your post I said, that guy must be from New York. And sure enough . . .

Paul

 

[paladinx]

damn im posting way too much on this board haha. Im gonna take a break soon.

Yeah, ny'er here. hopefully im not too typical. some folks dont like the ny kind. lol.

I think the problem is the pharm companies pushing the patches, lozenges, gums and whatever else that sits side by side to the cigarette case in stores have the fda in their pocket. The government fda have a win/win situation going on. They can charge ridiculous amount of taxes on tobacco products and make a fortune from all those who are addicted and cannot stop, and probably they make profit from the pharm companies pushing the gums and lozenges. They probably will do what they can to protect the pharm companies and also to keep cigarettes around for those who cannot quit.

 

[dfulmer]

Hello all,
Let me start by saying I've been reading on this forum for months now and watched so many reviews i feel like i know half of you. I'm pleased to be associated with this group of people who are commited to taking care of ourselves and our families well being. That being said, I live in Northern Kentucky and was wondering if you guys and girls knew who I could write to put my 2 cents into the equation. I've been vaping for about 6 months now and could never imagine going back to analogs. I feel better, smell better, even look better. These things are a total god send. You know its all good when your little girl walks and says "daddy, you smell good and you dont cough anymore". My fingernails arent yellow nor my teeth and ,,well anyways,,,I'm a total convert.

I'd like to know who I can write in my state to help make a difference. Thanks in advance.

I've read this entire forum like twice now over 6 months and have tried so many different types of e-cigs that i feel like quite the expert. Maybe someday I'll get around to posting all that good stuff that I've learned. One thing i can say is that the joye510 was the one that finally did it for me. Being a marlboro red smoker for 20 years i had a hard time with the mini 901 and the njoy products. it surely helps with the manual battery. the 510 is the one that has saved my life. I'm more about the sensation of smoking,,,i need to feel the fullness when i inhale to feel totally satisfied. that is the 510 baby. anyways,,way off subject now. Please let me know who I can write.

 

[yvilla]

Please let me know who I can write.

Dfulmer, right now it appears the most important would be to write (actual letters are preferable to email) or fax the members of the Senate Health committee who are scheduled to consider the tobacco bill that if passed unamended, may well be the death knell for ecigs in this country.

We need to urge them to either oppose the bill, or amend it to specifically allow and encourage ecigs as harm reduction devices.

For further information about this and a complete list of the Senate HELP committee members, see:

Oppose The Tobacco Bill

And see:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ns-send-our-letters-concern-2.html#post253841

(It's since been posted that now the scheduled committee meeting for today has been postponed until next week, so there is still time).

It would also be good to contact your own state's senators, if neither of them are on that committee, as the whole Senate will eventually be voting on the bill.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

dfulmer - welcome! based on your first post, you should speak out more often... and I am glad to hear that your experience with ecigs has been so wonderful.

yvilla gave you some excellent pointers on who to write... also, feel free to visit Electronic Cigarette Association where on the front page, there is a link to finding your elected officials. if you haven't done so yet, add your name to the petition. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available

also, another thing you can do if you are up for it is just get the word out. Contact your local paper. Many have done it with varying levels of success... but all we can do right now as users, is get out the word... get more smokers to see they do have an option.

 

[pigelty]

I don't know why FDA would even consider banning ecigs. For one thing, it is more of a medical device than an addiction.

Why are tradional tabacco cigs legal? Those should be banned. They contain over 4,000 harmful chemicals that cause cancer and tons of other health problems.

 

[paladinx]

Pigelty i just explained why. When will we realize that it has to do with money more then our best interest? The FDA would not currently be into e-cigarettes simply because they do not have a vested interest in it, yet. Right now they are about pushing patches, gums and lozenges that the big pharm companies want to sell. FDA is about pharmaceuticals. If it was a drug that we all were talkign about made by merck, sanofi etc, we wouldnt have to worry lol.

 

[newchum76]

You can contact, and track the positions of, your congressional representatives, through a website, the address for which this BB will NOT LET ME POST!

BUT: do a quick search under "Members of Congress and U.S. Congressional District Maps" and you will get an address for GovTrack. You can find out who and where to address your concerns to, by email, snail-mail, and telephone.

I have written to both of my senators and my HR rep... No response; no surprise, either. Enough pressure, however, is bound to make someone take notice.... good luck

Hello all,
I'd like to know who I can write in my state to help make a difference. Thanks in advance. 8< snip 8< snip..........Please let me know who I can write.

 

[irishmom]

Pigelty i just explained why. When will we realize that it has to do with money more then our best interest? The FDA would not currently be into e-cigarettes simply because they do not have a vested interest in it, yet. Right now they are about pushing patches, gums and lozenges that the big pharm companies want to sell. FDA is about pharmaceuticals. If it was a drug that we all were talkign about made by merck, sanofi etc, we wouldnt have to worry lol.

You hit the nail on the head! Its all about the money just like everything else. We have seen this all before.

 

[paladinx]

Just curious, what is it with contacting politicians and stuff. are they outlawing e-cigs?

 

[Servo]

I don't know why FDA would even consider banning ecigs. For one thing, it is more of a medical device than an addiction.

Because the FDA is off their rocker. They just classified Cheerios as a drug based on the health claims made on the box label.

(Still not allowed to post URLs. Add an http and remove the spaces)

ca. news. yahoo. com/s/afp/090512/health/health_us_food_medicine

 

[silverfox]

gotta love this...the govt wont read a massive spending bill before they sign it into law, but they will go after companies for what is written on their packaging...Im still convinced that this should actually be a FTC thing rather than an FDA thing, but if that was the case they couldnt ban them...lol...cheerios is a drug...lmao...

 

[paladinx]

I think these concerns go much deeper then E-smoking. There was a research facility in new mexico, I forgot the name of it, but I read a case study about it in college. They were making great progress towards cancer research. All of the sudden they disappeared, the reason was that they went bankrupt. Even if that was the case, looks like no one funded them, I wonder why.

Let me give an analogy with another example from another industry. Anyone hear of the EV1 electric car? Make a long story short it was a very efficient totally electric powered car that everyone loved who got one. Because of its great success GM seized them all and impounded the cars never to be seen again. Why? because it was a threat to the combustible engine, an ancient technology that was kept around for profit by both the automotive industries as well as the oil industries. Giant corporations do not like change when they make tons of money off something and have their assets already invested. This same example can be applied to the Pharm companies as well. Its the same principle.

 

[JennFL5366]

wow i thought my hubs made up the story about that car...yeah he told me all about it..its a shame how our government has to protect us from ourselves huh?

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Let me give an analogy with another example from another industry. Anyone hear of the EV1 electric car? Make a long story short it was a very efficient totally electric powered car that everyone loved who got one. Because of its great success GM seized them all and impounded the cars never to be seen again. Why? because it was a threat to the combustible engine, an ancient technology that was kept around for profit by both the automotive industries as well as the oil industries. Giant corporations do not like change when they make tons of money off something and have their assets already invested. This same example can be applied to the Pharm companies as well. Its the same principle.

Yes. It is sad and disgusting. Apparently, the other side of the story was the users of the cars were supposed to turn them in when their leases were up and when they tried to buy them (at any cost) GM said no. Many people went shopping and came out to their spots to find their beloved eco-friendly vehicles gone!

YouTube - Who Killed The Electric Car?

 

[paladinx]

cool video, i didnt know they made a documentary about it, Nice. You gotta take into consideration too. this was in what 1995? think about how much battery technology as improved in the last decade. That means this car would even be more efficient then it was back then. and people still loved it then.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

cool video, i didnt know they made a documentary about it, Nice. You gotta take into consideration too. this was in what 1995? think about how much battery technology as improved in the last decade. That means this car would even be more efficient then it was back then. and people still loved it then.

well... hopefully we won't be saying the same thing in 10 years about our ecigs! Could you imagine though, where we might be today if the electric car had made it to market... and we didn't have oil on the brain? how different would our world be right now? i can think of one major event (war) that may have played out in a slightly different fashion.

All the more reason for us to stand up and speak out against this mess.