FDA Bans Flavors in Tobacco Cigarettes
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Originally Posted by Vocalek
GOD says:
They need to ban ALL smoking tobacco. NOBODY has ever benefited from smoking tobacco! Any person that smokes within 100 feet of a child should be executed on the spot! Any woman that subjects her fetus to tobacco or any other defilement should be given a hysterectomy and have her vagina cauterized! It's deplorable that a so-called "parent" would intentionally cause damage to their children's health in order to get a fix. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO HARM CHILDREN!!!!!!
God, Banzhaf is at it again.
I dedicated a card to John Banzhaf at Right to Vape.com
posted in The Wholey of the Technofoggers forum at RTV site.The Hanged Man for Technofoggers is renamed ...
ASH US
This card is The Hanged Man Reversed because of ASH - John Banzhaf's refusal to see the light. ASH stands for Action on Smoker and Health, US legal-action antismoking organization.
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ASH Legal Complaint Hits E-Cigarettes: New Product Poses Dangers For Both Smokers and Nonsmokers. ASH to the Rescue to help protect nonsmokers, and also smokers who might use the product instead of quitting, ASH has filed a formal legal petition demanding that it be regulated by the FDA.
ASH comes across like a sweating, rigid, fundamentalist hellfire and brimstone preacher screaming at sheeples in a huge tent during Southern Baptist Revival.
John Banzhat at ASH is a lawyer who has been making smokers miserable since 1967 when ASH was found.
Breaking News: John Banzhaf at ASH caught with his pants down
Specifically, ASH received $100,000 from Pfizer, according to the company's civic organization funding report for the 2nd quarter of 2009. Interestingly, that same report reveals that other recipients of major funding from Pfizer include three of the other major national anti-smoking organizations that are pushing for the removal of e-cigarettes from the market: the American Cancer Society, American Lung Association, and American Heart Association.
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I couldn't agree with you more on this issue. I do not think that just because their is flavor that it targets children. I personally like having the flavors myself and find that the taste of tobacco is repulsive. I also feel that our government has trampled the rights of this country that the citizens are so browbeaten that they won't unite to do anything about it. For the first time in my life I have to say it stings to hear people from other countries say that our government is screwed up and how bad we have it when we are supposed to be the example of freedom.
This comment really bothers me:
Burr did NOT sponsor this bill, he was against it and had introduced his own water downed bill to compete with this. The Scientific Advisory Board is to give recommendations about banning menthol within one year. The candy flavored tobacco products that introduce kids to tobacco are smokeless products, cloves cigarettes are just a side issue. If chew wasn't flavored, kids wouldn't start using smokeless, they'd get sick instead. Most people who argue against regulating tobacco products don't understand that there is not a RIGHT to smoke. and it's only because of the efforts of the tobacco companies that tobacco products weren't outlawed a long time ago. Substitute ...... for tobacco/cigarettes and would you still argue for the right to use ......? What about addiction do you not understand? The tobacco companies have had a good PR firm making their deadly products socially acceptable, it's time to stop the death and distruction caused by coffin nails. VJ Sleight, LASmoking Examiner
...wow, is all i have to say right now about this clown.
Burr did NOT sponsor this bill, he was against it and had introduced his own water downed bill to compete with this. The Scientific Advisory Board is to give recommendations about banning menthol within one year. The candy flavored tobacco products that introduce kids to tobacco are smokeless products, cloves cigarettes are just a side issue. If chew wasn't flavored, kids wouldn't start using smokeless, they'd get sick instead. Most people who argue against regulating tobacco products don't understand that there is not a RIGHT to smoke. and it's only because of the efforts of the tobacco companies that tobacco products weren't outlawed a long time ago. Substitute ...... for tobacco/cigarettes and would you still argue for the right to use ......? What about addiction do you not understand? The tobacco companies have had a good PR firm making their deadly products socially acceptable, it's time to stop the death and distruction caused by coffin nails. VJ Sleight, LASmoking Examiner
...wow, is all i have to say right now about this clown.
I would argue that ...... is illegal. Tobacco is not.
They can't have their cake and eat it. They either want the tax revenue or they don't. They cant tax people on a product that they say should be illegal ffs. It either is illegal or it isn't. While is isn't then i'd say that people have an absolute and total right to smoke. And they can take that to the bank!
yes they can and they do. look up marijuana tax stamp. requires you to claim the cost of illegal contraband and purchase a tax stamp that must be affixed to your paraphernalia and stash, indicating that you have paid the taxes on it.
there are 20 states that are enforcing this garbage
callousparade-
There's a ton of stuff on Google about it. Here is a little clip as it pertains to what you said-
"Over subsequent decades, Congressman Harrison's law was revised to be more and more restrictive, and state laws were patterned after the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act. In 1922 the Federal Narcotics Control Board was established, and in 1924 the ...... Act illegalized manufacture of that drug. The Bureau of Narcotics was established in 1930, and in 1937 the Marijuana Tax Act made pot virtually illegal, under claims reminiscent of the Harrison act debate -- that marijuana was leading the "less civilized races" to "murder, insanity and death". In 1951 an amendment to the original Harrison Act mandated prison sentences for narcotics violation, and in 1957 former Congressman Harrison passed away."
There's a ton of stuff on Google about it. Here is a little clip as it pertains to what you said-
"Over subsequent decades, Congressman Harrison's law was revised to be more and more restrictive, and state laws were patterned after the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act. In 1922 the Federal Narcotics Control Board was established, and in 1924 the ...... Act illegalized manufacture of that drug. The Bureau of Narcotics was established in 1930, and in 1937 the Marijuana Tax Act made pot virtually illegal, under claims reminiscent of the Harrison act debate -- that marijuana was leading the "less civilized races" to "murder, insanity and death". In 1951 an amendment to the original Harrison Act mandated prison sentences for narcotics violation, and in 1957 former Congressman Harrison passed away."
Anything that is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution is reserved as to a right unto the people. All of this crap is unconstitutional that they are doing. Whether those who want to protect the children like it or not.
When I got caught with cigarettes as a kid, I got my rear end spanked and punished for it. My parents did not look to the state to change anything or anyone elses habits or way of doing business to control me, they took care of business themselves.
When I got caught with cigarettes as a kid, I got my rear end spanked and punished for it. My parents did not look to the state to change anything or anyone elses habits or way of doing business to control me, they took care of business themselves.
The best part about the marijuana tax stamp is the reasoning behind its original conception.
Once upon a time, marijuana was perfectly legal and large quantities of it grew as weeds in the southern u.s. (hence, "weed" because it grows like one).
The powers that be were threatened by its encroachment on the cotton industry and sought about to devise a way to make a freely growing weed illegal.
In 1937, a new law was passed stating that anyone who wished to sell marijuana must purchase a tax stamp; failure to do so would result in fines or imprisonment.
The fun part is, those who went looking to buy these stamps couldn't find them. There was no venue where they were sold, in fact no one has ever actually seen one, because they never existed.
It is technically a "weed". It will grow anywhere under just about any circumstances.
Look up Randolph Hearst and the newspaper industry. Hint- he owned an enormous tract of land covered with timber. Then there's DuPont, friend of Randolph, who invented that wonderful material polyester- enemy of hemp.
Then there's Anslinger who enjoyed wild popularity during alcohol prohibition. Well, when that Amendment was repealed, in short order and by no coincidence right after The Great Depression, him and his agency were facing a serious career change.
These three guys and a healthy dose of racism is why.
As for the stamp- well like you said it was very difficult during that time to prove the unconstitutionality of pot so the next best thing- tax evasion, for not buying the damn stamp!
Now the crime makes money- and that's a no brainer. Just like us, there aren't many people out there protecting us or supporting, we're just easy targets. Our addictions make us evil and apparently we should pay. Sometimes with our lives and that's just fine with them.
Look up Randolph Hearst and the newspaper industry. Hint- he owned an enormous tract of land covered with timber. Then there's DuPont, friend of Randolph, who invented that wonderful material polyester- enemy of hemp.
Then there's Anslinger who enjoyed wild popularity during alcohol prohibition. Well, when that Amendment was repealed, in short order and by no coincidence right after The Great Depression, him and his agency were facing a serious career change.
These three guys and a healthy dose of racism is why.
As for the stamp- well like you said it was very difficult during that time to prove the unconstitutionality of pot so the next best thing- tax evasion, for not buying the damn stamp!
Now the crime makes money- and that's a no brainer. Just like us, there aren't many people out there protecting us or supporting, we're just easy targets. Our addictions make us evil and apparently we should pay. Sometimes with our lives and that's just fine with them.
I just find it rather ironic that they are trying to "save the children"... This is the same administration that says it's okay to kill a baby in the womb(and in fact will finance it) but how dare you try to flavor your tobacco???
not sure if the act passed, but I can tell you that pickings in Calif are scarce at the local tobacco shops - flavors gone, "lights" are gone as illegal to sell as lights. (that's what drove me to e-cigs - i was a 40yr lights smoker). Many brands are gone - seemingly overnight. Illegal to smoke in cars with childen/elderly, in homes that run daycares, in parks, benches by the river, campgrounds, state parks, amusement parks, restaurants, bars, the entire town of Davis, and the list goes on and on.
Calif intends to be a 'smoke free (nanny) state'. The 'liberals' in charge today are not the flower-children of the 60's. Next we'll all be herded into cute little circular mini-cities, where our square footage will be rationed, as will diets, exercise, and ability to travel outside the 'human zone'. Wouldn't want to disturb the mating habits of the river rat (speaking of which, legislation actually pending to prevent trapping/poisoning of rats - it will hurt their little squeeky feelings...but I digress...).
Limiting cigarette choices to regular or menthol, and the full frontal attack against e-cigs are just the first wave in shutting down all tobacco sales in the States, (and, by definition, tobacco 'shops') where all manner of smoking implements/accessories/alternative forms will be also banned in preparation of the nannystate nationalized health 'care'. Welcome to 1984.
It's your life. Keep it simple. Choose wisely.
TaketheRedPill
Calif intends to be a 'smoke free (nanny) state'. The 'liberals' in charge today are not the flower-children of the 60's. Next we'll all be herded into cute little circular mini-cities, where our square footage will be rationed, as will diets, exercise, and ability to travel outside the 'human zone'. Wouldn't want to disturb the mating habits of the river rat (speaking of which, legislation actually pending to prevent trapping/poisoning of rats - it will hurt their little squeeky feelings...but I digress...).
Limiting cigarette choices to regular or menthol, and the full frontal attack against e-cigs are just the first wave in shutting down all tobacco sales in the States, (and, by definition, tobacco 'shops') where all manner of smoking implements/accessories/alternative forms will be also banned in preparation of the nannystate nationalized health 'care'. Welcome to 1984.
It's your life. Keep it simple. Choose wisely.
TaketheRedPill
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Hey- I like children, they're great. But at what point do we say enough is enough already. I am an adult. Personally, I have no children, but I do respect others. The children excuse is being used for everything and it's getting old fast.
They're rights are starting to step on our rights. And this has to stop. I blame this as an excuse for parents to be lazy and irresponsible. To rely to heavily on the public at large to do too much of the parenting that they, themselves, should be doing.
DAMN IT, I AM AN ADULT AND I WANT TO HAVE ADULT HABITS.
Hey- I like children, they're great. But at what point do we say enough is enough already. I am an adult. Personally, I have no children, but I do respect others. The children excuse is being used for everything and it's getting old fast.
They're rights are starting to step on our rights. And this has to stop. I blame this as an excuse for parents to be lazy and irresponsible. To rely to heavily on the public at large to do too much of the parenting that they, themselves, should be doing.
DAMN IT, I AM AN ADULT AND I WANT TO HAVE ADULT HABITS.
The only thing I can see to do about this is to stock up as much as possible and keep a very low profile on the esmoking. I'll be reducing my nic little by little so eventually I am not addicted to anything anymore. Ecigs are wonderful, but I don't want to have to carry one around with me for the rest of my life either. But I will continue to stand up for the rights of others to use and possess them.
I've been fighting the government for years now, and what I see is that if it's bad for the people, you can be certain it will become "law". Most of these laws are not even laws, they're just crap and need to be removed from our society.
Nanny state is correct. If they want to take such good care of me, they can send someone over here to clean the house and the yard, wash the car and take out the garbage, just to make sure that it's all done according to epa and ecologically responsible standards...
I've been fighting the government for years now, and what I see is that if it's bad for the people, you can be certain it will become "law". Most of these laws are not even laws, they're just crap and need to be removed from our society.
Nanny state is correct. If they want to take such good care of me, they can send someone over here to clean the house and the yard, wash the car and take out the garbage, just to make sure that it's all done according to epa and ecologically responsible standards...
I am a parent and a grandparent. I could not agree with you more! I made the rules and I enforced them...no need for the government to interfere! As a matter of fact, I did not want them to be involved. Unless the government is shelling out the $$ to take care of em, oh wait....that's right, we ARE paying irresponsible parents to produce more children to pay for....but I digress.
And BTW in reference to taxing the illegal...the IRS code states that a US citizen is to declare and be taxed on ALL income, whether legal or illegal! OK all you drug dealers and pimps, lets declare that revenue!
Anything short of this, quite frankly, I think we all deserve to have some of our money back
Yes! We, the taxpayers, are missing out on the manufactures sales taxes, sales taxes, federal and states taxes and any other group or business involved. Drug testing companies would benefit. And aside from that we're paying a hell of a lot of money to enforce, eradicate and imprison- with little to nothing to show for it. Look at the numbers, follow the money, it's all there in black and white. Oh- I forgot, the truckloads of cash that are being shipped out of this country, never even entering into our economy. Think it doesn't affect anything- after cars, drugs are second.
Over twenty one- taxed for your purchase. Hopefully people will wake up and be real parents and teach right from wrong instead of that "just say no BS" or sign a pledge crap. It doesn't amount to anything once they realize they have been lied to. Never underestimate kids.
It's really not about children - the 'for the children' excuse is nothing but a strawman that politicians trot out every time they want to guilt people into inaction and increase government power. They know it hits people on a primal level, opens the door for guilt-mongerers who intimidate, and makes us back quietly away while handing over our wallets and our adult rights.
shortly before his death, Michael Crichton wrote a interesting essay entitled "Aliens Caused Global Warming' About 4/5th's of the way thru, he discusses how the FDA used politically-twisted science to turn second-hand smoke into a hysterical 'for the children' issue that greatly increased the regulatory power of the FDA as an agency.. The same agency that took four months to find out where a contaminated tomato came from. As Dr. Drew said recently, e-cigs would have to be pretty darn nasty to even come close to the damage a regular cigarette can do. As long as the juice manufacturers have tight quality control and random testing done by independent labs on a regular basis, (and I'm including the vendors who take it upon themselves to rebottle diluted product) I don't see what all the smoke is about other than power.
I'd post the link to Crichton's speech, but I don't have enough posts yet
You can find it at Michael Crichton dot com, click "aliens" on the list on the left. A good bedtime read.It's your life. Keep it simple. Choose wisely.
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