FDA delivers Final Deeming Rule to OIRA

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Now is the time to appeal to OIRA and urge them to reject the FDA deeming of harmless, tobacco-free, and smoke-free vaping as a tobacco product.

http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoDetails;jsessionid=A0988F2E80E1761AFEAAEAE9B4E602D0?rrid=125646

Ok... but this is all there is:

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There's no way to comment, or even read what's been submitted, just all that legalese and numbers. I don't get it.

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Follow the RIN to get to the actual document.

Not really. It just takes you to a page of links which don't mean anything to anyone who's not a gov't drone.

It's easy to see how our gov't has gotten so off the rails; they make dealing with anything governmental so impenetrable, you have to be psychotic to understand anything about it.

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Not really. It just takes you to a page of links which don't mean anything to anyone who's not a gov't drone.

It's easy to see how our gov't has gotten so off the rails; they make dealing with anything governmental so impenetrable, you have to be psychotic to understand anything about it.

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I'm not seeing the latest version of the Rule either, only the description of it and the legal basis. Perhaps I'm not clicking on the correct link?
 

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So what they submitted isn't spring 2015?
I believe that was April's submission, prior to public comment. I don't believe they have to make the Final available to the public until after it is approved by OMB/OIRA, but could be wrong.
 

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A year ago there were about 15 smokers in my shop. Today there are 10 smokers and 5 vapers. The place has several different trades. Electricians, machinists, welders, builders, programers, designerrs, etc. All the people who switched, inclluding me, are in the electrical department. The solcal inflluence is evident. What's happening in my shop has to be happening in a lot of work places. Does the FDA really want to interfere with that? Where I work is in a 50,000 square foot area with a 30' ceiling. We are allowed to vape on the shop floor (I did tell one of the guys to turn down the watts, clouds too big). The non vapers say the impact on them is zero. Management is fine with it. One motive for management is if we aren't wasting money on cigarettes we live a lot better on what they can pay us. That might be the biggest benefit for all concerned.

When the OMB evaluates they are looking at what the government loses in taxes by allowing the Tobacco Age to end and what the public loses in all sorts of ways if more smokers keep smoking. To date no health consequences of vaping have been identified so they are left with a political calculation. An interesting cost/benefit tradeoff.
 

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How to Participate in the Rulemaking Process

Outside parties may provide written comments to the OIRA Administrator on a rule that is under review. If a rule is at OIRA for review, interested parties can provide comments by email at OIRA_submission@omb.eop.gov. In the email please specify the name of the rule and the regulatory identification number (RIN) as specified in the docket for the rule on www.reginfo.gov.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/oira/about
 

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I'm really not liking all the secrecy, doesn't seem to bode well imo. I've held off on panic nicotine purchases so far and I'm hoping I don't come to regret that.

The thing about nicotine purchases (if you know you'll continue to vape) is that there is no downside (except present time budget) - you're going to use it and it can last 5-7 years plus in a freezer and according to Kurt, who tests his regularly, it doesn't lose it's potency.
 

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It's kinda Amazing, at least to Me, that a thread about Cotton ...

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...n-is-white-so-why-japanese-cotton-not.708776/

... has Twice as many Posts as this one does.

I guess How White cotton is, or Should Be, is More topical that the current state of the FDA Deeming process.
Do I have it right that whatever the FDA proposes there will be a grace period where it's business as usual for several years? May be vapers believe there will be time to get supplies if the interference is eventually draconian? Can the FDA abruptly start a drug war in 60-90 days? My position is I don't want any interference with my access to ecig products. I might compromise that position a bit if it meant more smokers would switch or if there was an obvious health risk that has yet to be disclosed. The FDA keeps saying they are science based. What science is there to justify a significant change in the status quo?
 
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