FDA demands review of newer tobacco products- Front Page MSNBC

[rachelcoffe]

I just now read an article in Bloomberg news where they interviewed FDA officials regarding these new rules and the article indicated that FDA officials stated these new rules do not apply to electronic cigarettes. Thank God!

Yaaaaaaaay agreed D103 - thank God!!

 

[mauzey]

This writer appears to believe that the entire thing is about e-cigarettes, which is incorrect. It is about tobacco products which would include strips, orbs, lozenges, etc, in addition to traditional tobacco products.

FDA Cracks Down E-Cigarettes and Smokeless Tobacco - Yahoo! News

That was one of the worst bunch of tripe I have ever read, water filtered smoke! are you kidding me?

 

[Dob_Bobolina]

Wow, this is ridiculous.

 

[GregH]

Further, if the FDA thought this grandfathering provision was a bar to ecigs being sold as tobacco products, you have to think it would have come up, in some way, in almost two full years of litigation on that very issue. Not to mention, as I posted above, that the attorneys for njoy and SE had to have been aware of it as well.

Those have been thoughts as well. We can call the FDA many things -- corrupt, evil, power-hungry -- but they are not stupid. The FSPTCA, its grandfather clause, and the specific cut-off date are not new news. So all they had to do all along was say "OK. E-cigs are tobacco products. But you know what? We can ban them anyway because they don't fit the guidelines of the FSPTCA." But they didn't. And they still refuse to do so even after two courts have told them to regulate e-cigs as tobacco. So why?

I strongly suspect, as many others have discussed since the FSPTCA was signed, that e-cigs as we know them today (batteries, atomizers, and liquid) were indeed marketed and sold before the cut-off date. Therefore, they fall within the grandfather clause. And that's why the FDA is still fighting tooth and nail to have them classified as drugs.

 

[trying]

From Reuters- As of May 2007, Ruyan was not in USA yet.

Chinese e-cigarette helps you stub out the habit | Reuters

 

[yvilla]

Yeah, but there are competing news stories too. Who is to say which one is more accurate?

"First marketed worldwide in 2002 as an alternative to regular cigarettes, e-cigarettes did not become easily available in the United States until late 2006."

From:

Electronic cigarettes attracting ‘smokers’ - The Boston Globe

 

[Traver]

This writer appears to believe that the entire thing is about e-cigarettes, which is incorrect. It is about tobacco products which would include strips, orbs, lozenges, etc, in addition to traditional tobacco products.

FDA Cracks Down E-Cigarettes and Smokeless Tobacco - Yahoo! News

Just sent the following comment

Electronic Cigarettes are not water filtered, thats a hookah an entirely different device. They may or may not contain nicotine. There are personal vaporizers that can us tobacco but the types that are referred to as electronic cigarettes do not contain tobacco. They work by vaporizing a liquid at relatively low temperature with a coil, like the one used in light bulbs, powered by a battery. The liquid is a mixture of Propylene Glycol a common FDA approved food additive, glycerin also an FDA approved food additive and food flavorings such the kind used for making candy and baking.

So far none of the Studies done by the FDA or anyone else has found anything in them in quantities that can do any harm. About a million tobacco smokers have switched to electronic cigarettes as a safer alternative to tobacco. So far deaths from tobacco 400,000 a year. Deaths from electronic cigarettes none or 0.

 

[Vocalek]

From the Bloomberg article:

"Up till now tobacco products had been the only mass-consumed products for which users do not know what they're consuming," Dr. Lawrence Deyton, director of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, said in a conference call. "No longer will changes to products consumed by millions of Americans be made without anyone knowing."

Still, Deyton warned that "no known existing tobacco product is safe," and FDA approval for a company to sell the product does not make it safe.

"These products will not be safer, but we are required by this law to not allow even more dangerous products to cause further harm to those Americans who use tobacco products," he said.

FDA: Agency must review tobacco products - Bloomberg

"These products will not be safer..."? It's too bad that Dr. Deyton has not bothered to read the numerous articles showing the health effects of switching to Swedish snus. Does he really believe that all tobacco products have equal effects on the body?

 

[mpetva]

Anothr article:

FDA: Agency must review tobacco products - Yahoo! News

 

[Demarko]

All we need is one vendor who was selling electronic cigarettes before that date to keep at least that brand available here. I had one vendor tell me that he was selling products via mail order in 2006, and opened a retail business during 2007.

Other vendors would need to show that their products are very similar in content (liquid) and design (operational characteristics). Perhaps this is the type of thing that the manufacturers should be jumping into, rather than individual vendors. Anybody know an executive at Ruyan and other major Chinese manufacturers?

When the washington state law against smoking in public was passed, in 2006, the local media did a story on how people could still vape in resteraunts and bars. They keep archive footage of every piece they do. The technology, most definitely, existed then.

 

[Aaeli]

I'm new to vaping...did not not it even existed before a few months ago and I found a FUMA at the gas station. Unfortunately, that's still the majority of people. It irks me how the media just passes along the FDA's opinion regarding it, without the least bit of investigation.

The hypocrisy makes me the angriest of all. I don't feel comfortable accepting what the FDA tells me blindly when they remain so obstinate regarding ecigs, but have no problem supporting Chantix. It angers me that they would prefer smokers continue to smoke and die than try something without their permission. Can you blame us? All you offer are Chantix or NRTs with high failure rates.

For the rest of my life, the words "FDA approved" will not hold the power they did before. It will eventally becoming that way for more and more people when they are injured by "approved" treatments and medications. What is the purpose of this bloated agency when they do not (and seem to go out of their way NOT to by supporting medications like Chantix) protect patients?

 

[devilock76]

I don't know how smokers place a burden on society since they die younger and save society money.
Just a quick search:
http://joedawson.com/Interests/SmokersRights/Essays/issues2.html

I wish I could find it but there was a study done when Clinton was president that showed the same thing and was talked about during an episode on the smoking bans in the first season of Penn & Teller: BS. Smokers actually benefit society financially. It is similar to how when discussing motorcycle insurance with an agent why motorcycle insurance is so cheap. A motorcycle will rarely do significant damage to another vehicle it hits and that if the crash is bad enough the rider tends to die. Morbid but true.

Ken

 

[Vocalek]

Just stumbled across this: NY M85579 - The tariff classification of a nicotine inhaler and parts from China - United States International Trade Commision Rulings

It documents that Sottera was importing Ruyan products in 2006.

 

[Aaeli]

Great find! Answers my question. Thank you so much!

 

[mpetva]

Just stumbled across this: NY M85579 - The tariff classification of a nicotine inhaler and parts from China - United States International Trade Commision Rulings

It documents that Sottera was importing Ruyan products in 2006.

Great research and even better find! Good job, Vocalek

 

[Placebo Effect]

Yes, good job Vocalek.

It's pathetic that the Yahoo News piece hasn't been changed. Apparently Yahoo allows users to generate content and doesn't permit writers to edit their work, or something to that extent.

 

[trying]

Just stumbled across this: NY M85579 - The tariff classification of a nicotine inhaler and parts from China - United States International Trade Commision Rulings

It documents that Sottera was importing Ruyan products in 2006.

I agreed that Njoy was importing Ruyan products in 2006 but according to Njoy's 2007 web page they were only test marketing until late 2007.

Copies of Njoy.com from 2007 are available at
Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine

Perhaps they plan to argue that the test marketing meets the grandfather clause ?

 

[trying]

Each E-cigarette company will have to prove their product is the substantial equivalent of a product sold prior to feb. 2007.
Njoy can not do it for everyone any more than Marlboro being substantially equivalent applies to Camel cigarettes

 

[GregH]

I'll bite. So how exactly is a Marlboro not substantially equivalent to a Camel?

Edit: nevermind. I get what you were saying now.


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[trying]

Does anyone have information on flavors available in Feb 2007 ?
Given what a big deal FDA has made about flavorings, FDA would no doubt consider any new flavoring as not
substantially equivalent.
I found 10 available in China at that time-
Almond, Apple, Chery, Chocolate, Light, Menthol, Pineapple, Regular, Rose, Vanilla.
But as I said those were in China, need there to be a USA selling outlet.