Fda news release

[Our House]

BTW, I know someone mentioned the May 4th delaying thing earlier, but I'm extra curious as to why the FDA acted like there were no studies done the whole time and insisted that other people conduct them without ever disclosing that they had their own.

I'm also curious as to whether or not studies paid for by the manufacturers (as the FDA is requesting) would even be admissible in the US. From what I've heard, the New Zealand and Ruyan studies were inadmissible for that reason. Maybe Sun can weigh in here and tell us if the FDA is asking for an impossibility.

 

[Our House]

Our House. So what you are saying is the FDA is claiming studies need to be done all the while they've done these studies and hidden them till they can obscure the facts properly?

Something like that, yeah.

 

[OutWest]

Is no one else incredibly suspicious of how the FDA issued statements both in and out of court about how studies needed to be done by the manufacturers so e-cigs could go through approval process, so that they could be shown to be safe, so that we know what's in them, etc. etc...

...all while they had this study of their own already conducted since May 4th -- that showed "known carcinogens" in these products -- but was kept secret for 2.5 months?

Yep, I agree, very suspicous indeed. I think they've been holding onto this in case they needed it in court. And, because the FDA is losing ground, they decided to use the media to scare the public into avoiding the ecig and thus destroying the industry in the U.S.

Thing is, like someone posted on vapersforum, nitrosamines are in most processed meats and that's fully FDA approved. And, like Dr. Siegel wrote, the same stuff is in the nicotrol inhaler, which is fully FDA approved. So, except for that one SE brand cart that had the DEG, is it really that big of a deal? The FDA wants the public to think so, but if it's so terrible, they'd better yank the approved NRT products that use natural nicotine off of the shelves immediately.

 

[TheNix]

Maybe we should do away with our analog trackers and talk about how vaping just makes us want more cigarettes

 

[Mr Sinister]

Parts per Billion!?!?!?!? Are they F'in serious? Our drinking water isn't even tested that thoroughly. If they really cared about the health of the public and the children, they wouldn't have approved adding fluoride in the water and whatever other crap they allow, which they measure in PPM by the way. This is so bias it's laughable. What's not laughable is their opinion is the only one that counts.

 

[TheNix]

evidently there is a petition on the Truesmokers site.
But evidently I cannot post a link. Easy to find though.
Will it do any good? I don't know. Never hurt to try.

 

[happily]

you can bet the bank that the FDA has been busy testing hundreds of supplier's in order to come up with a couple that have "anything in them"...

they didn't just get lucky,......if they had more issues they'd be proclaiming them

they did their homework

 

[chad]

Ok,

So who wants to start drafting a letter we can ALL send to the FDA?

One thing we have going for us is strength in numbers (and motivation by nic fit ). We just need to get organized. Letters, phone calls, and marches are all real good ideas now.

Remember the FDA (and the rest of the US government) works for us! We just need to, very loudly, let them know what we want. It's one thing to rant and rave on e-cig-forum where we preach to the choir. It's entirely more beneficial to us to step up and be counted.

Who can help us organize?

 

[NPerez]

Whether or not the FDA are conspiring against e-cigs is not something I really care about.

The fact is, they still haven't been able to dispute that these are better than cigarettes.

Traces of carcinogens? Okay. I think I heard that there are "traces" of carcinogens in analogs too *ahem*.

 

[AVITWeb]

I really want to know where they got their samples....I wonder if they tested Johnson Creek or Ecopure?

 

[CoderGuy]

Whether or not the FDA are conspiring against e-cigs is not something I really care about.

The fact is, they still haven't been able to dispute that these are better than cigarettes.

Traces of carcinogens? Okay. I think I heard that there are "traces" of carcinogens in analogs too *ahem*.

True, but it's all about perception. What went from being a novelty in the media has now been "proven" to be harmful. They have the anti-smoking groups, American Cancer Society, American Lung Association, all the parent's groups, etc. etc. on their side, in addition to the tobacco companies, who despite the fact that we have a common enemy, are against us as we are taking food out of their mouths (they don't make money on e-cigs), and finally, the state governments, who do not get tax revenue from e-cigs.

No, facts have nothing to do with any of this, it's all about the money, the agendas, the tax revenues, and anyone that doesn't believe that is fooling themselves.

CoderGuy

 

[MVP]

Dr. Siegel weighs in:

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary

Quote from blog:

"Given the finding that nicotine replacement products and electronic cigarettes both contain carcinogens, why is it that the American Lung Association is only calling for the recall of electronic cigarettes, not other nicotine replacement products? Shouldn't the ALA also express concern about nicotine replacement medications due to the fact that they create documented exposure to carcinogens and that there is therefore no safe level of exposure to nicotine replacement products?"

This should NOT be ignored. Where do you think they get the nicotine for NRT products? A: From Tobacco, and they contain the same TSNAs as e-cigs. Though they (the Nicotrol inhaler used in these tests) weren't tested for carcinogens because they know TSNAs are also in NRTs.

 

[cddz]

Parts per Billion!?!?!?!? Are they F'in serious? Our drinking water isn't even tested that thoroughly. If they really cared about the health of the public and the children, they wouldn't have approved adding fluoride in the water and whatever other crap they allow, which they measure in PPM by the way. This is so bias it's laughable. What's not laughable is their opinion is the only one that counts.

Actually they do Arsenic is tested in ppb, in fact the max arsenic allowed prior to 2006 was 50ppb, EPA gave everyone 2 years to comply with the new standard 10ppb
Just my .02 Local news station had a small piece on the FDA statment and left it at they contained antifreeze!!!!!!!

 

[smokinsimon]

They just released the news that we are drinking an ingredient in antifreeze!!
It's H2O!!
OMG ban it!!!

 

[need_2quit]

Originally Posted by STILLSMOK9
I tend to question will Chinese suppliers still ship to us knowing they are banned?

That would be unethical and who knows where theirs are?

why wouldn't they? they've had no problem poisoning our animals with melamine, tooth paste, etc.

the only thing that will regulate them is $$$. Are americans the largest consumer of chinese goods? I haven't a clue.

as in any industry government or private sector, when it hits the pocketbook they are willing to work with you.

personally, I'd rather quit vaping and never go back to analogs (yes i have willpower = I'm not a child) than to let any willy nilly supplier that thinks they will become an overnight millionaire from their bill gates garage tell me what is safe. Let the chinese suppliers jump through the hoops if they want our business.

do I trust the FDA? not a chance. Is anyone else looking out for the health aspects of what we are sucking into our lungs, nasal cavities, mucous membranes?

didn't think so.

 

[Vista Chris]

I'm sure you can safely say, I am pi**ed right now

And us California guys are usually so laid back. Well I blogged about what's going on today, and would love any support or comments you can muster.

I'll link to the blog here: Ecigs and the FDA, it's your choice?

Any support/comments are greatly appreciated. It's gonna take all of us to make this right.

Best

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I really want to know where they got their samples....I wonder if they tested Johnson Creek or Ecopure?

They got the samples from the cartridges that come with the SE and NJOY kits.

Sun

 

[AVITWeb]

They got the samples from the cartridges that come with the SE and NJOY kits.

Sun

Figures...I havent even received my first shipment and all this is coming down!
I really wish they would get their act together!!!! Nothing like putting a spin on things to reward the fu&^nuts!

Lets have them continue to test toys! I will bet they are still extremely dangerous..

 

[Kate51]

Does anyone know if we can eat pecans, yet??? I thought....oh never mind

 

[Sar]

why wouldn't they? they've had no problem poisoning our animals with melamine, tooth paste, etc.

the only thing that will regulate them is $$$. Are americans the largest consumer of chinese goods? I haven't a clue.

as in any industry government or private sector, when it hits the pocketbook they are willing to work with you.

personally, I'd rather quit vaping and never go back to analogs (yes i have willpower = I'm not a child) than to let any willy nilly supplier that thinks they will become an overnight millionaire from their bill gates garage tell me what is safe. Let the chinese suppliers jump through the hoops if they want our business.

do I trust the FDA? not a chance. Is anyone else looking out for the health aspects of what we are sucking into our lungs, nasal cavities, mucous membranes?

didn't think so.

China does need the US market, so if US government decides to press them to close the e-cig factories, China will comply. After all, income from ecigs is negligible compared to the rest of trade between China and US.

As far as I know ecigs are already banned in Hong Kong. And recently China prohibited manufacture of eliquid with nic above 24 mg, so the extra-high nic eliquid is drying up too.