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Thank you very much!!!!!!!!
I downloaded it and printed it out... just couldnt remember where I got it at...lol
I downloaded it and printed it out... just couldnt remember where I got it at...lol
Oh...one of the other things I wanted to say...I'm so very jealous of all of you who are (wisely) stocking up. I'm on the very very wrong side of financial freedom, and can't afford toBy the time I can, it may be too late
Use the money that you would normally spend on ciggies. $40.00 a carton of analogs = 1 starter kit, or a couple bottles of juice, or a few atomizers.
Sad to say but I think the "real" issue is $$$$$ the states are afraid they will not be getting the BILLIONS we pay in taxes on analogs anymore... and we can't have that now can we????
All of the BS they are spewing is all about money... they do not give a rats azz about children... they never have... I just made up some Raspberry cookie e-juice... OH NO... I guess I am marketing to children!!!
It's all about the cash y'all... nothing else!!
As twisted as this logic is, it's easily destroyed with just one question:
Do you want warning labels on "adult" products or not?
What we all cannot forget are a few simple facts and I noted this earlier to a supplier who asked so I will just copy and paste:
It is fact that when the FDA's funding was pulled back in the early 80's, pharm started to foot the bill. It is fact that pharm funds the public health organizations. It is fact they absolutely do not want the ecig compared to tobacco cigarettes because they know damn straight that ecig is "healthier" than tobacco cigs. It is fact that they can't allow the ecig to be tested as an NRT because all of the NRT's have what the ecig have in them as far as the dirty stuff. Pharm has destroyed ANY product that offers nicotine so that they can monopolize the market. They can't touch cigarettes so they always go after other nicotine products, like nicowater.
So yes... as an industry/consumers if we stepped forward and begged the government to tax us - fairly, they would put pressure on the FDA (pharm) to leave us be. OR If we can prove to the FDA that the ecig industry is a cash cow just like pharm, then they will start to come around. Seriously, what is pharm going to do: Threaten to go elsewhere for their approval?
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Exactly... Loss of income from the recently hiked tobacco-tax is the REAL FEAR here...
So if anyone wants to venture a guess as to what our juice will cost us if they do figure out something.... Please be my guest!!!!
So if anyone wants to venture a guess as to what our juice will cost us if they do figure out something.... Please be my guest!!!!
Honestly I only NEED atty's at this point, no tobacco in those to be illegal. I mix my own so unless LorAnn's has suddenly become a issue.
Battery mod's are quite DIY also...
And honestly, you probably break at least a dozen laws just breathing now a days.. as I said.. not worried.
You are absolutely 100% right if not 110%.....................I just wish common sense played even a 10% role in politics.
I hope we can get enough e-smokers and money to fight the fight. There are just too many vapors that don't have the guts to love and fight for what we are doing.........
The nice thing is We can make our own!!! (okay I have read about how to make nicotine, and am willing to do it if I must... really though would rather not have to go that route.) We have mods for the batteries... I havent seen one yet for the Atomizers... but I can't help but think they are out there... and I have enough carts to choke 10 horses (I stocked up, I am thinking about (maybe was thinking) about selling out here in teh middle of nowhere)
I do believe there are enough of us... We need to do something about this BS... Again... I don't know what... I think we should get the crews of the deadliest catch to go to E-cigs... They are watched EVERYWHERE....LOL
You're right, the PACT Act description specifically states:
H.R. 1676 would prevent tobacco smuggling, to ensure the collection of all tobacco taxes.
That is the same reason for the SB 5340 - 2009-10 law just passed here, to stop people from avoiding taxes.
It's always all about the money.
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Tobacco is realy not hard to grow with good soil but you need land to do it in which alot of people including my self do not have.
I know right? I just found out about it myself, p**ses me off. Had I known earlier I would have really stocked up sooner. The thing is, the law goes into effect on Sunday, I wonder if I order now but it arrives after Sunday if it would be in violation. Sux.
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Out of the 4000 chemicals in cigarettes, 40 of them are known to cause cancer.
They found one in E cigs. diethylene glycol
This seems in itself to be a good reason to continue vaping. It's SAFER. Considering we are going to smoke something, the choice is which method is better for you.
So the question is: which is worse, 4000 chemicals in cigarettes or 1% diethylene glycol?
After reading about everyone on here who feels better from switching to Ecigs, regaining lung capacity, smell, taste and all the posts about people asking their doctor and being told it's better than cigarettes, I don't see why we should stop vaping or it should be banned.
This is clearly a move for the FDA to continue their flow of funds from the tobacco companies.
Why don't they just tax and regulate Ecigs, and ban regular cigarettes because those are the real problem.
I also heard that Mc. Donalds BigMacs, fudge brownies and cell phones can cause cancer....Maybe the FDA should ban those too since they are soooo concerned about our health and looking out for us.
They found one in E cigs. diethylene glycol
This seems in itself to be a good reason to continue vaping. It's SAFER. Considering we are going to smoke something, the choice is which method is better for you.
So the question is: which is worse, 4000 chemicals in cigarettes or 1% diethylene glycol?
After reading about everyone on here who feels better from switching to Ecigs, regaining lung capacity, smell, taste and all the posts about people asking their doctor and being told it's better than cigarettes, I don't see why we should stop vaping or it should be banned.
This is clearly a move for the FDA to continue their flow of funds from the tobacco companies.
Why don't they just tax and regulate Ecigs, and ban regular cigarettes because those are the real problem.
I also heard that Mc. Donalds BigMacs, fudge brownies and cell phones can cause cancer....Maybe the FDA should ban those too since they are soooo concerned about our health and looking out for us.
Well said!
What about the "intimate" body lubes that come in chocolate, strawberry, etc? (Not that I would know anything about those things! LOL) And what about the edible candy pants? (Again, not that I would know anything about those either) So, are they advocating SEX for children?
AMEN! What about the watermelon cigars? It's obvious kids are using these for blunts. But it would appear that our war on drugs, overlooks this.
Agreed! Keeping it real... Thanks!
The US typically counts on "fear" factors inflicted upon the people.
Who knows, I may even turn into the "Al Capone" of the e-cig prohibition.
Can I ride shotgun? LOL
They already ship and where there is a will, there is a way.
FDA left no doubt on its stands. And it is a very sad state of affairs. No signs of common sense regulation (as presently applied by authorities in Great Britain, for instance), completely sold on arguments of the most vocal US public health pressure groups. Massive opinion crafting is going on. I do have problems if blatant lies like these products are marketed to young people" are told as facts to substantiate a policy decision. And I do have problems if relative risks are not put in perspective but exploited for opinion crafting by authoritative souces. Yeah, just play the public for fools and be OK with it. /end of rant. Anyone having the good news of today?
Watch what happens next. The FDA will come under increasing pressure -- to ban these toxic Chinese imports immediately. The pressure will come from all fronts: health groups, Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, Congress. We have NO friends in high places.
So the headlines are done and the ink is drying now. NBC Nightly News did its report tonight -- and danger blew away benefit. E-cigs are toxic. E-cigs aren't a proven alternative to cigarettes. E-cigs cause cancer. E-cigs will make cigarette smokers of your children. What will the FDA do? What do you think ...
I've BEEN stocked up! There is only one ending here. Those will real vision have seen the problem for a very long time. It's been discussed on this board almost since Day One at the turn of 2008. No one should be "surprised" by events now.
So the headlines are done and the ink is drying now. NBC Nightly News did its report tonight -- and danger blew away benefit. E-cigs are toxic. E-cigs aren't a proven alternative to cigarettes. E-cigs cause cancer. E-cigs will make cigarette smokers of your children. What will the FDA do? What do you think ...
I've BEEN stocked up! There is only one ending here. Those will real vision have seen the problem for a very long time. It's been discussed on this board almost since Day One at the turn of 2008. No one should be "surprised" by events now.
Just as bad as this (from the blog)...
"When asked if the electronic cigarette was a legal product to be sold in the US, Michael Levi, counsel for the FDA, noted that all of the products that have been held or seized have been new drug and drug delivery devices due to the marketing of them as smoking cessation devices. He also noted that in order to continue marketing them as NRTs they would need the proper documentation and studies to sell them as such. He could not further comment due to the current litigation."
[Emphasis mine]
SE may fit here, but NJOY doesn't market or label their products as smoking cessation devices at all. As a matter of fact, their packaging specifically states that they have NOT been evaluated as smoking cessation devices and are not to be treated as such.
But the FDA's lawyer is claiming that ALL seized products are in violation, not just SE's.
It seems like they've crossed the line to where they're just flat-out lying. This position is beyond disingenuous or intellectual dishonesty.
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