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So let me get this straight... I have the right to choose how I get drunk then drive my car and maybe kill a few people but I can't choose how I get nicotine into my body while driving home safely without hurting a fly?
Maybe it's just me but it sounds like money can make any substance better for you! All you have to do is put it in the right persons pocket!
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Maybe it's just me but it sounds like money can make any substance better for you! All you have to do is put it in the right persons pocket!
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Outwest and Ryle -
That was exactly what I thought as well. On the one hand they say - You must make it clear that this is a product for adults only and then on the other hand they say - By saying it's for adults only it is marketed towards children.
It's the same as the quote in the Portland article (I believe) where the pharmaceutical rep said that the testing done in labs (New Zealand) weren't valid because no real world testing had been done yet, but on the other hand real world testing has been done for the past four years and others disregard it because it wasn't done in a lab.
This is the propaganda machine starting to fall apart. Hopefully, intelligent people will begin to see what is happening here and call them out for their "no matter what you do you are wrong and can't prove it because we won't let you" philosophy.
And Outwest - I totally agree with you on the proving nJoy's case. SE I think will have issues as they did not find tobacco specific alkaloids in theirs. Synthetic vs. Tobacco.
That was exactly what I thought as well. On the one hand they say - You must make it clear that this is a product for adults only and then on the other hand they say - By saying it's for adults only it is marketed towards children.
It's the same as the quote in the Portland article (I believe) where the pharmaceutical rep said that the testing done in labs (New Zealand) weren't valid because no real world testing had been done yet, but on the other hand real world testing has been done for the past four years and others disregard it because it wasn't done in a lab.
This is the propaganda machine starting to fall apart. Hopefully, intelligent people will begin to see what is happening here and call them out for their "no matter what you do you are wrong and can't prove it because we won't let you" philosophy.
And Outwest - I totally agree with you on the proving nJoy's case. SE I think will have issues as they did not find tobacco specific alkaloids in theirs. Synthetic vs. Tobacco.
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Outwest--I will repeat this for the 1000th time--that argument did not work in the Nicotine water case and it is not going to work here--Nicotine water even went so far as to put tobacco in the water!!! It did not fly---only traditional tobacco products that are already proved to never be in any way, form, or manner safe, are protected by the Brown case. The e-cig has not been shown to "ever be safe" nor is it a traditional tobacco product. The argument failed then and it has even more reason to fail now.
Sun
"Federal health officials said Wednesday they have found cancer-causing ingredients in electronic cigarettes, despite manufacturers' claims the products are safer than tobacco cigarettes."
This doesn't logically follow at all. They could contain carcinogens and still easily be safer than analogs.
A couple of points - Everyone should take close note of the date of the "analysis." it is May 4th - the hearing was several weeks after and it does prove the "tobacco products" point - FDA had this information and withheld it form the Court and the record in the case. The bigger question to ask - does this not prove that there are less risks associated with this type of tobacco product given the FDA's own proof that the "risky" components of tobacco are present - if at all - at much lower levels than any currently marketed cigarette.
It is not a question if the e-cig is safer then a cigarette--the cigarette and other traditional tobacco products are afforded the protection of the Brown case---the eig has to be proved to be safe on its face.
Sun
Sad to say, but I think I trust my E-Liquid more than I trust our FDA... I have had no side effects... I have seen people on here that have been using these WAYYYYY longer than me... and I have not seen them talking about any bad side effects... if there was toxic stuff in these I or someone else would be showing the effects of it by now... and these (e-Cigs) have been in Europe for over 5 years...
Sorry not buyin' it... the FDA is full-o-crap new meaning of FDA (Fed Dumb Azzes)
I like the NZ study... read it sometime if you have any doubts, and why has one of our labs done the testing yet?
Okay, getting off my soap box now... Keep the faith thou you all, one page of BS does not proof make!!!!
Sorry not buyin' it... the FDA is full-o-crap new meaning of FDA (Fed Dumb Azzes)
I like the NZ study... read it sometime if you have any doubts, and why has one of our labs done the testing yet?
Okay, getting off my soap box now... Keep the faith thou you all, one page of BS does not proof make!!!!
Hmm... Good catch. And it begs the question of, "If theyre so dangerous, why sit on this information for over 2 1/2 months?" And, also makes me wonder if this was withheld from a discovery subpeona and if so, if that puts them in contempt of court.
Just placed a call to NJOY to see what's up? No answer of course.
NJOY Customer service 888-669-6569.
I hope the big suppliers step up and defend their product.
NJOY Customer service 888-669-6569.
I hope the big suppliers step up and defend their product.
And! If they thought they were so dangerous to their own admission they have known about the ecig since July of 2007 and did nothing? They waited this long?
I still think they know flat out they can't do anything and they never banked on the fact that the ecig would be so successful and that someone with some cash would actually fight back.
Understood. I wasn't arguing for the legality or anything...just pointing out the logical fallacy committed in that article.
If find the timing of the FDA release very suspect on the eve of the big news intervew coming on----what a way to drop a bomb and kill a story.
Sun
Sun
When is that news story to air?
Also someone please post that NZ article.
Thanks! Yes, me vaping away!
Also someone please post that NZ article.
Thanks! Yes, me vaping away!
Too coincidential if you ask me.Bad news day in all regards!
The Wiz!
Well, we asked for testing, and now we've gotten it. I am disappointed about what they found, and I'm less confident about the purity of my juice today than I was yesterday.
But it's still too early to guess what's going to happen. Are the China suppliers going to protest this and provide analysis of their own to counter the FDA's claims? Does this leave Ecopure and Johnson Creek in a wonderful position? Did we really believe that "tobacco absolute" contained none of the bad stuff of tobacco?
But it's still too early to guess what's going to happen. Are the China suppliers going to protest this and provide analysis of their own to counter the FDA's claims? Does this leave Ecopure and Johnson Creek in a wonderful position? Did we really believe that "tobacco absolute" contained none of the bad stuff of tobacco?
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