Fda news release

[illyria]

I know the whole concept is " to get people to quit smoking PERIOD", but the patch isnt doing it, the gum isnt doing it, and i think myself and countless other suppliers hear form our customers how much this has helped them more then a patch or gum

Absolutely! I spent hundreds of dollars on patches over the years. Sure, I'd quit...for a while. The e-cig seems (so far) the perfect option for me. I have absolutely NO craving for analogs.

 

[AVITWeb]

Absolutely! I spent hundreds of dollars on patches over the years. Sure, I'd quit...for a while. The e-cig seems (so far) the perfect option for me. I have absolutely NO craving for analogs.

It's only been a week, but I put down the analogs the minute I was able to vape and I have not looked back since....except to cut back on my vaping because of the nicotine (I cant stop )

Once I get my nic under control, I will be waning and smoking 0nic fluids!

 

[SharonLM]

Same here. Over the years I've spent hundreds on patches. Then hundreds on gum and lozenges. I've tried Zyban and Chantix. Even while using these products it was a struggle and I'd sneak cigarettes, or sneak and smoke the left overs from my husband's ashtray (disgusting I know, but hey, I'm addicted).

Then, I found e-cigs. A miracle, or at least the best invention ever. The day I picked up my first e-cig, I've never smoked a whole analog again. A couple, and I do mean a couple of puffs over the last 3 months +, and a couple of yearnings which were quickly put out with a draw on my e-cig and I've never looked back. First time in my 40+ years of smoking!

 

[illyria]

From FDA: electronic cigarettes aren't safe - KDVR
"Public health advocates have complained the products are aimed at young people and can serve as a "gateway" to tobacco smoking. Many come in flavors, including chocolate, bubblegum and mint."

By this logic, one may deduce that Kool-Aid is a gateway to B&J Wine Coolers, which come in flavors like peach, strawberry, apple....

Seriously, our local smoke shop announced that they weren't going to be allowed to sell certain flavored tobaccos anymore, for this reason. I wondered then if anyone has ever squawked at the flavored adult beverages.

 

[DC2]

From FDA: electronic cigarettes aren't safe - KDVR
"Public health advocates have complained the products are aimed at young people and can serve as a "gateway" to tobacco smoking. Many come in flavors, including chocolate, bubblegum and mint."

By this logic, one may deduce that Kool-Aid is a gateway to B&J Wine Coolers, which come in flavors like peach, strawberry, apple....

The world has gone mad, and it appears we are the only sane ones left.

 

[wdave]

Absolutely! I spent hundreds of dollars on patches over the years. Sure, I'd quit...for a while.

I'd religiously eat the rabbit food. But after gaining weight after only month, my willpower became non-existent

So far with ecigs I'm actually dropping a few pounds. If it continues, my wait loss should counteract the affect of nicotine on my BP, etc.

Dave

 

[wdave]

Then, I found e-cigs. A miracle, or at least the best invention ever. The day I picked up my first e-cig, I've never smoked a whole analog again. A couple, and I do mean a couple of puffs over the last 3 months +, and a couple of yearnings which were quickly put out with a draw on my e-cig and I've never looked back. First time in my 40+ years of smoking!

I've had to go back to analogs when I accidently run down all my batteries I use a 510 and put up with it

On going back to analogs, I think they are crap. I have to chain smoke a half dozen of them and can hardly wait to get back to my ecigs.

Dave

 

[BigJimW]

You know, I was thinking

Health care professionals and consumers may report serious adverse events (side effects) or product quality problems with the use of e-cigarettes to the FDA's MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program either online, by regular mail, fax or phone.

Does this sound to you like the FDA did not really find anything toxic to justify a ban and using people to call in "adverse effects" as a desperate means to justify their ban plans with these adverse effect reports?

 

[BigJimW]

Oh my God, I have brass balls. I just submitted my "adverse effects" to the FDA as this:

Yes, I bought an electronic cigarette and want to report a very bad adverse effect.

Your ban of them.

As a two pack a day smoker for 25 years, I thought there was no hope. I tried all the NTRs that the market had to offer, even non conventional ones (hypnosis, voodo doctor blck magic, etc), yet I could not pull myself away from the deadly cigarettes.

I then tried electronic cigarettes months ago. My quality of life has dramatically increased since I started using them. So far

- I can breath again
- I have more energy
- I no longer have chest pains waking in the morning
- I no longer cough up a lung
- My primary physician, who has been monitoring me for an unrelated health issue, found my lung CAT scans clearer and my blood test results much better then when I started.

Now the REAL adverse effects, which are life threatening to me, is your ban of them. NOT due to public health, but because of the $2.314 BILLION lost in taxes, Big Pharma, and Big Tobacco interests.

Your agency is going to be DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE, for the next round of deaths due to tobacco use. Not only because you decide to ban a safer alternative that your own report PROVES what the electronic cigarette manufacturers claimed ALL ALONG, that they are far safer, but also because you now regulate real cigarettes. So the alterior motive is clear.

So, consider this "Adverse Event" the report to the FDA in behalf of the 400,000+ who will die this year alone due to tobacco use.

As I went along into the system, I started to realize this was for doctors to report adverse effects. **** 'em, so I continued, even submitting my real name and address.

I hope I don't get taken away by the men in the van with the white coats never to be seen again. LOL

(do you think I should have added that I had an erection lasting more than 4 hours? )

 

[edlogic]

You know, I was thinking



Does this sound to you like the FDA did not really find anything toxic to justify a ban and using people to call in "adverse effects" as a desperate means to justify their ban plans with these adverse effect reports?

yeah it does - we should flood them with calls saying yeah those mean little ecigs made me stop using tobacco i sure hope you find a way to force me back to the smoke of death again - this easy breathing is bad news for the big medicine bank accounts

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

(Can't believe I'm about to ask Jim for an opinion)

Any idea why they tested specifically for Diethylene Glycol? Did I miss that part? The only logical reason would be that they did a spectrograph analysis and found it in the one cart, so displayed results for all of them. Not sure if that's even how it works though.

Any insights?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

(Can't believe I'm about to ask Jim for an opinion)

Any idea why they tested specifically for Diethylene Glycol? Did I miss that part? The only logical reason would be that they did a spectrograph analysis and found it in the one cart, so displayed results for all of them. Not sure if that's even how it works though.

Any insights?

They tested for Diethylene Glycol because China is notorious for using it as a cheap substitute for PG and there have been many reports of illness and death due to it.

Sun

 

[BigJimW]

(Can't believe I'm about to ask Jim for an opinion)

Any idea why they tested specifically for Diethylene Glycol? Did I miss that part? The only logical reason would be that they did a spectrograph analysis and found it in the one cart, so displayed results for all of them. Not sure if that's even how it works though.

Any insights?

They didn't test "specifically" for the presents of Diethylene Glycol, but they could detect it if present. Their machines just happened to pick it up in one cartridge of many others they tested.

THIS part I tend to believe, but only due to a manufacturing problem, and not part of the norm. Perhaps during cleaning of equiptment, some trace elements of the stuff made it into one of the SE carts. That is only speculation though.

It is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing because SE can now do quality checks with the manufacturer to not let carts slip past with this stuff in it. A curse because the FDA happened to get hold of one and used it as their flagship banter on the evils of the things and to scare the **** out of the people with their press release.

It boils down to that ONE CARTRIDGE screwing the electronic cigarette world.

 

[BigJimW]

They tested for Diethylene Glycol because China is notorious for using it as a cheap substitute for PG and there have been many reports of illness and death due to it.

Sun

In China, when big corporations use shortcuts and people die, executions follow.

They don't screw around anymore with stuff like this.

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

Both make sense... just a random thought that crossed the mind...


Carry on.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

In China, when big corporations use shortcuts and people die, executions follow.

They don't screw around anymore with stuff like this.

Big Jim---You may want to check that out--Just two years ago:

"Panama is the most recent victim. Last year, government officials there unwittingly mixed diethylene glycol into 260,000 bottles of cold medicine — with devastating results. Families have reported 365 deaths from the poison, 100 of which have been confirmed so far. With the onset of the rainy season, investigators are racing to exhume as many potential victims as possible before bodies decompose even more.
Panama’s death toll leads directly to Chinese companies that made and exported the poison as 99.5 percent pure glycerin.
Forty-six barrels of the toxic syrup arrived via a poison pipeline stretching halfway around the world. Through shipping records and interviews with government officials, The New York Times traced this pipeline from the Panamanian port of Colón, back through trading companies in Barcelona, Spain, and Beijing, to its beginning near the Yangtze Delta in a place local people call “chemical country.”

See http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/world/06poison.html

Sun

 

[BigJimW]

Big Jim---You may want to check that out--Just two years ago:

"Panama is the most recent victim. Last year, government officials there unwittingly mixed diethylene glycol into 260,000 bottles of cold medicine — with devastating results. Families have reported 365 deaths from the poison, 100 of which have been confirmed so far. With the onset of the rainy season, investigators are racing to exhume as many potential victims as possible before bodies decompose even more.
Panama’s death toll leads directly to Chinese companies that made and exported the poison as 99.5 percent pure glycerin.
Forty-six barrels of the toxic syrup arrived via a poison pipeline stretching halfway around the world. Through shipping records and interviews with government officials, The New York Times traced this pipeline from the Panamanian port of Colón, back through trading companies in Barcelona, Spain, and Beijing, to its beginning near the Yangtze Delta in a place local people call “chemical country.”

See http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/world/06poison.html

Sun

Very interesting story. And makes me believe that the FDA may not have even found diethylene glycol to begin with. IF there report is true and IF diethylene glycol was detected, why have we not heard of a single illness or death relating to e-cig smoking? If diethylene glycol is being added to the e-juice, you would figure, after months and years, somebody would have croaked or at the very least, reported some adverse effect, especially since diethylene glycol is so toxic.

Given the Chinese prior track record in using diethylene glycol, it would not be very hard to make this claim in an FDA report, even if it didn't find it.

If diethylene glycol was in a cart, it was in a Smoking Everywhere piece of ****. But since it was in one of several tested, I do not believe it was the norm. If it were, it would have been detected in all carts tested.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Big Jim---I think that is why we see those pictures posted of the lab that makes 90 percent of the e-liquid from Dekang who makes 90% of the e-liquid. There sure looks like some strict quality control going on in there.

Sun

 

[Applejackson]

that is like saying that without nasa - no one would have ever been able to go to the moon -
or if thomas edison hadn't been born then we would never have seen the light of a bulb

in case you didn't know there were vaporizers before the ecig
there are even toy vaporizers to make fog from propylene glycol
so i guess from your standpoint that it takes a chinese genius to figure out how to put nicotine in glycerine and vaporize it and breath it ?

besides - if they are putting a known toxin into the juice then they darn well deserve to be attacked - and if they do such a poor job of producing and regulating the products then they deserve to fail

( what ? - like the banks that did so poorly - do they deserve a bail out if they are guilty of introducing poison into the sytem ? or should they be left to fall on their own guilty faces ? )

next subject

diethylene glycol

http://www.who.int/ipcs/poisons/pim_diethyleneglcol.pdf

this doc says an atidote is ethanol but it also says ->

In an emergency, an equivalent amount of any alcoholic drink may be administered orally​

i hardly ever drink and i haven't had a drop of any alcohol in over a year - time to get some beers or wine ...​

You're an angry dude, ed. First of all, we don't even know that DEG was "added". It may just be transference during the nicotine extraction from tobacco because tobacco DOES have DEG in it (it's used in the treatment process). Second of all, the amount was incredibly small and only found in one of 19 cartridges tested.

Third of all, I'm usually drinking when I'm vaping anyway so...

 

[edlogic]

You're an angry dude, ed. First of all, we don't even know that DEG was "added". It may just be transference during the nicotine extraction from tobacco because tobacco DOES have DEG in it (it's used in the treatment process). Second of all, the amount was incredibly small and only found in one of 19 cartridges tested.

Third of all, I'm usually drinking when I'm vaping anyway so...

i hear ya - my point is not to emphasize that there were problems with the ingredients - my point is that the fda is going to try to make sure they find SOMETHING wrong - so i am hopeful that the ejuice manufacturers would be proactive and show their integrity as positively as possible up front and straight-forward

and why do you think i am angry ?
is sodium angry when it is introduced to water and it explodes in violence ?
or is it just a normal reaction to radical combinations in chemistry ?