FDA: PG carcinogen ?

[VIVAP2]

A journalist said in its article that the FDA is claiming that propylene glycol is carcinogen.

edit: Who am I to comment a statement from FDA.

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[sharpi]

Wish I knew french...or whatever language this article is written.

 

[minigoat]

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[sharpi]

http://des.nh.gov/organization/commissioner/pip/factsheets/ard/documents/ard-ehp-12.pdf

Basically say, not enough ersearch has been done to make an assessment. But reading further down it sites 3 studies with zero indication of carcinogenic properties with ethylene glycol is rats/mice.

 

[sharpi]

Right. I care less about some journalist article as I do peer reviewed articles. Not worth my time. I guess that is the scientist in me.

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[Vapoor eyes er]

LOL yet the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons state, in their comments re: ecig, that PG and VG are found to be generally safe to vape.

 

[ChellyNelly]

They are both common food additives (PG & VG), so if they're carcinogenic, we're all SCREWED!

 

[Concat]

The same quote also says PG is found in anti-freeze. It's painfully obvious with this statement that they are spinning the truth and misleading people.

The FDA has already said that "Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol [is] "generally recognized as safe" (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive."

So which is it? A toxic carcinogen that is as harmful to the body as anti-freeze, or safe for human consumption in foods? It can't be both.

 

[martinc]

they make no distinction between the stuff safe for human consumption (USP-koscher) and stuff used to clean

 

[denali_41]

ethylene glycol,,that is what is in anti-freeze,,,,not propylene glycol

 

[Mindfield]

ethylene glycol,,that is what is in anti-freeze,,,,not propylene glycol

Actually, this is where some confusion arises for those who don't do their research.

Propylene glygol is an antifreeze. Specifically, the kind of antifreeze you put in drinking water to lower its freezing point in order to winterize it. Keeps those pipes from bursting when the water freezes and expands. Commonly used as a supply-line antifreeze for the water system in RVs because it's safe to drink -- in relatively small quantities that is; you wouldn't go chugging it straight from the bottle, but it's safe for human consumption as an additive as it's also used in tons of foods, flavourings, even as a carrier for liquid medication and topical treatments.

So the journalist is either guilty of spreading FUD or isn't engaging in anything that should properly be called journalism.

 

[heli_canada]

Actually, this is where some confusion arises for those who don't do their research.

Propylene glygol is an antifreeze. Specifically, the kind of antifreeze you put in drinking water to lower its freezing point in order to winterize it. Keeps those pipes from bursting when the water freezes and expands. Commonly used as a supply-line antifreeze for the water system in RVs because it's safe to drink -- in relatively small quantities that is; you wouldn't go chugging it straight from the bottle, but it's safe for human consumption as an additive as it's also used in tons of foods, flavourings, even as a carrier for liquid medication and topical treatments.

So the journalist is either guilty of spreading FUD or isn't engaging in anything that should properly be called journalism.

Is this why my liquids never freeze in the mailbox?

 

[Concat]

Yep, PG has a very low freezing point.

 

[denali_41]

Actually, this is where some confusion arises for those who don't do their research.

Propylene glygol is an antifreeze. Specifically, the kind of antifreeze you put in drinking water to lower its freezing point in order to winterize it. Keeps those pipes from bursting when the water freezes and expands. Commonly used as a supply-line antifreeze for the water system in RVs because it's safe to drink -- in relatively small quantities that is; you wouldn't go chugging it straight from the bottle, but it's safe for human consumption as an additive as it's also used in tons of foods, flavourings, even as a carrier for liquid medication and topical treatments.

So the journalist is either guilty of spreading FUD or isn't engaging in anything that should properly be called journalism.

and so the confusion continues !!!
PG is a food grade anti-freeze,,most common use is for winterizing potable water lines,but is not stable enough for vehicle radiator use !!!

now ethylene glycol is the anti-freeze that is used in your car and is very poisonous to humans and animals alike,,
anti-freeze manufacturers are seeking an alternative to EG that is not deadly to pets,,because of the glycol in the mix it has a sweet taste that pets like, lick it up then die

this mis-information is being used by the media to scare people away from the e-cig's


everything i have said can be verified with a little searching or a dictionary

 

[fcitrolo]

Gotta love the propaganda.

Just wondering when Health Canada is going to ban all GMOs and fake sweeteners and list them as being carcinogens?

 

[kanadiankat]

Mindfield is correct in saying that PG is used for some new antifreezes - because it's better environmentally and for freezing point.

PG is also a primary carrier for asthma inhalers.

PG is also the primary ingredient in surgical rooms for air conditioning and sterilization.

PG has been studied as an inhalent since the 1940's and found to be non-toxic and safe.

If the FDA is now claiming otherwise - they're going to have to reel in the entire pharmaceutical industry, the food industry, the medical industry, science and maybe even change medical researchers into monkeys. That way there will be no one to make them see sense....

 

[denali_41]

pg anti freeze is pink and does not handle higher temps nearly as well as EG anti-freeze !!

wonder why it works so well in a PV ?

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Yep when I told my 87 yr old Mom I was vaping and explained it to her she was deliriously happy until she heard about the PG. I explained to her I was vaping the same PG that was in her inhalator....even though hers is pharma and mine is pure vegetable.

 

[kanadiankat]

Yep when I told my 87 yr old Mom I was vaping and explained it to her she was deliriously happy until she heard about the PG. I explained to her I was vaping the same PG that was in her inhalator....even though hers is pharma and mine is pure vegetable.

Your PG is the exact same as what's in your mom's inhalator (minus the medication, of course). PG for eliquid is USP grade - purchased from the same place as the local pharmacy purchases theirs (well, maybe not the exact same distributor - but same stuff exactly).

ergo - why it was studied for inhalation effects.

It has never been studied for all day inhalation on a continual basis.... but unless surgeons and airline pilots keel over from it - it's likely safe.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Thank you kanadiankat for your insight. Now I don't have to feel guilty about hiding some little fact/ truth from her.

Your PG is the exact same as what's in your mom's inhalator (minus the medication, of course). PG for eliquid is USP grade - purchased from the same place as the local pharmacy purchases theirs (well, maybe not the exact same distributor - but same stuff exactly).

ergo - why it was studied for inhalation effects.

It has never been studied for all day inhalation on a continual basis.... but unless surgeons and airline pilots keel over from it - it's likely safe.