I've recently started vaping after 30 some years smoking analogs. I love it and have not had a cigarette in almost two months. Unfortunately because of the possibility FDA's ruling of either taxing or banning nicotine, I may be forced to DIY before I am ready. I've been reading but still am not confident to know where to start. I wanted time to learn first about making my own wicks, try out different batteries, mods, drip tips etc. I wanted to go through the classifieds because I just got verified. All these things take time but because the FDA's decision coming up in April, I'm suffering a complete overload of information. Which of these things mentioned before should I buy first to beat the deadline, DIY equipment and nicotine? Will FDA ban ecigs like some of the European countries have done?
FDA possibly forcing my hand!
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i would defiantly get yourself some unflavored nic first,they cant do anything about the flavoring itself as its just food flavoring,couldn't hurt to grab a few cheep rebuildables as well but the wick and wire will always be available as well as its been used for not ecig stuff for ages.
There is a lot of legislation being proposed to lump vaping in with smoking. But hopefully smarter, cooler heads will prevail. Wouldn't be surprised to see vaping get taxed and perhaps even federally regulated like other food and health products.
Reading the bills and viewpoints that I have, I am not ready to build a bunker in my backyard yet, but I have written letters to my senators!
Reading the bills and viewpoints that I have, I am not ready to build a bunker in my backyard yet, but I have written letters to my senators!
Should I get pure Nicotine? Should I buy equipment such as small glass bottles and syringes for nicotine transfers for freezer? Which rebuildables do you recommend? I like kanger T3s. I already have a Z-Atty Pro and two provaris.
If you are worried about the FDA and just wanting to play it safe,yes i would agree grab some unflavored nic. first and stock it up.Right now there is going to be alot of backlog orders to get caught up on from all vendors and few have pre-orders (myfreedomsmokes) to snatch some up.I have been stocking up on nic. myself and have another 1000ml's of nic. that shipped today.Everything else like wick,wire,flavors,etc.. as posted there is no need to rush as these will not be regulated and readily available.The MOD's,and the devices to deliver the nic. would be next on my list as these would fall into the reg.Tough times ahead for vapers if all fails and i keep my fingers crossed every day hoping we prevail over the FDA,but we can only hope for the best at this point.
DIY is pretty easy too. About on par with making koolaid or brewing coffee.
That's $0.02 mind you.
That's $0.02 mind you.
No, you should not. In fact discussion of the subject is against ECF rules. Pure nicotine can kill you and anyone who attempt to rescue you and if you do not know the equipment and procedures needed to work with it safely, you know just enough to kill yourself.
The highest recommended is 100mg/ml and even that low of a level, about 1/10th of pure, should involve safety equipment and knowledge of the handling.
If the FDA is forcing your hand, concentrate on the part that may be difficult to obtain at a reasonable price, nicotine. Know what you're getting before you get it and why. The rest can wait.
It's great that you have been stinky free for 2 months. I just started DIY and found that they are looking hard at Nic here and in other countries. That's a good place to start if you have freezer space.
Flavors will be around even in bad times. Find recipes in the DIY and bookmark them. Write down what flavors you would need and order from there.
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Being Verified is a great place to get Mods, carto's, tanks, RBA's. Take your time and really watch for deals. And You Tube is a great place to get info before you buy.
Flavors will be around even in bad times. Find recipes in the DIY and bookmark them. Write down what flavors you would need and order from there.
DIY E-Liquid
Being Verified is a great place to get Mods, carto's, tanks, RBA's. Take your time and really watch for deals. And You Tube is a great place to get info before you buy.
Nic's about the only thing they could successfully ban. I'm not even that worried about atomizers as I've heard of plans to use an atomizer-like device as a diet aid.
Nic liquids store well in the freezer if unflavored. To start, it's usually wise to get something not too far above what you vape until you learn the fine points. Once you're sure of your method and safety precautions you can move on from there (or stay where you are if you don't trust yourself).
Nic liquids store well in the freezer if unflavored. To start, it's usually wise to get something not too far above what you vape until you learn the fine points. Once you're sure of your method and safety precautions you can move on from there (or stay where you are if you don't trust yourself).
IN your place I'd learn about nicotine and DIY first -- top priority. ANYTHING else could be worked around at your leisure. But don't get any until you have learned. Or order a bunch of unflavored nic base IN THE STRENGTH YOU ALREADY USE, or maybe double that. (So you could mix it half-and-half with strong flavored 0 nic juice) This assumes you could store it locked up in a cool dark place for an extended period. I've seen postings saying it has a very long shelf life.
I discovered I can't DIY for the same reason I can't cook for **** -- it takes a talent with flavor to learn DIY. So I'm concentrating on joining CASAA and making sure we win.
I discovered I can't DIY for the same reason I can't cook for **** -- it takes a talent with flavor to learn DIY. So I'm concentrating on joining CASAA and making sure we win.
I think I start out by buying nicotine. I want to buy as much as I can afford and then transfer it to small glass bottles to freeze. What equipment will I need to start out with? I have a big enough freezer and I plan to bubble wrap each of the bottles, put them together in container. Will it be better if I were to buy nicotine mix with PG or VG?
Post about some dangers of DIY juice. the real danger is in pure nicotine. The forum rules against discussing it other than to mention the serious dangers of it, are good and in place for a reason. Fumes as lethal as cyanide gas. Seriously. Don't get any. Ever. I wouldn't reccommend buying explosives and making your own fireworks either. Same ballpark. Saving some money on E-juice isn't worth killing your entire household in a toxic waste disaster!
With that said, the unflavored nic juice you can buy is formulated at MUCH lower and safer levels. You don't need hazmat suits, fume hoods, chemical licenses and permits etc. This is a good starting point. Add your flavors and have fun!
Most of these liquids only have a shelf life of a year or so, doomsday preppers probably wouldn't be interested.
...I guess you could can it, or something. Wouldn't know anything about that though!
With that said, the unflavored nic juice you can buy is formulated at MUCH lower and safer levels. You don't need hazmat suits, fume hoods, chemical licenses and permits etc. This is a good starting point. Add your flavors and have fun!
Most of these liquids only have a shelf life of a year or so, doomsday preppers probably wouldn't be interested.
...I guess you could can it, or something. Wouldn't know anything about that though!
no i would just buy it in a slightly higher nic level (like 20% stronger to make up for flavoring dilution) it stores longer(two to three years if stored properly and even then the nic content just lowers it dont go bad or anything), the higher the nic concentration the faster it breaks down. you already have a z-atty get a AGA2 if you want a back up and you should be all set on RBA
You or I can't get PURE nicotine anyway, so that point is moot. A consumer can't get anything over 100 mg, or 10% without a license. I think some people are just a little confused on that point.
Nic solution in a PG base, in freezer, in amber or blue glass bottles, filled to the brim has a likely unlimited lifespan .. I am currently sitting on 6000ml just in case ..
yea i have about 5000ml myself more then enough to last me three years,when and if the supply gets cut off i will just use the last bottle to lower my nic intake,worst case i get some tobacco seeds for like $3 grow and extract my own nic from it, i know i would only be getting like 5-10mg at best from it without a proper extraction but that would be fine for my use(better then nothing).
Nicotine base stored in a freezer, in glass bottles filled close to full, should readily store for several years.
Personally, if you don't have sensitivity to PG, I'd go with a PG nicotine base -- it's just simpler to work with, because it's thinner, easier to measure accurately.
As to strength, if space isn't too big a concern, I'd stick with lower strength than 100, probably 60 mg/ml. I go by price point, how many mg of nic per dollar, and 60 mg/ml seems to be a sweet spot.
How much depends on what you vape. Say you vape 4 ml/day, of 20 mg/ml eliquid. That's 4 x 20 = 80 mg/day of nicotine (you only absorb a fraction of that). A 500ml bottle of 60 mg/ml is 30000 mg of nicotine, or 30000/80 = 375 day supply, a bit over a year even if you don't cut down your nic strength over time (many of us do, but not all). A full liter would get you twice as much, of course.
A 500 ml bottle of nic can be readily split into 4 "120 ml" glass bottles for long term storage. The bottles actually hold a bit more than their official size. You only take one bottle out at a time, your working nic base.
For me, I recently went for 500ml, plus some cobalt blue glass bottles, from RTSvapes. They are a good supplier, seem to be decent on stock, though there are other popular nicotine base vendors.
You don't actually have to work with the 60 mg/ml, if you prefer not to. You can cut it to a lower level after taking a bottle out of the freezer, letting it get to room temperature. Take a 240 ml clean bottle, pour a "120 ml" bottle of nicotine base into it (assuming it's really 124 ml, 1/4 of a 500 ml bottle), then add 62.5 ml of plain PG or VG. Shake this bottle and you have a 40 mg/ml bottle of working nicotine base.
Hopefully this helps. Personally I wouldn't bother with more than a couple year supply, which is well within reasonable freezer storage time, but that's just me.
Personally, if you don't have sensitivity to PG, I'd go with a PG nicotine base -- it's just simpler to work with, because it's thinner, easier to measure accurately.
As to strength, if space isn't too big a concern, I'd stick with lower strength than 100, probably 60 mg/ml. I go by price point, how many mg of nic per dollar, and 60 mg/ml seems to be a sweet spot.
How much depends on what you vape. Say you vape 4 ml/day, of 20 mg/ml eliquid. That's 4 x 20 = 80 mg/day of nicotine (you only absorb a fraction of that). A 500ml bottle of 60 mg/ml is 30000 mg of nicotine, or 30000/80 = 375 day supply, a bit over a year even if you don't cut down your nic strength over time (many of us do, but not all). A full liter would get you twice as much, of course.
A 500 ml bottle of nic can be readily split into 4 "120 ml" glass bottles for long term storage. The bottles actually hold a bit more than their official size. You only take one bottle out at a time, your working nic base.
For me, I recently went for 500ml, plus some cobalt blue glass bottles, from RTSvapes. They are a good supplier, seem to be decent on stock, though there are other popular nicotine base vendors.
You don't actually have to work with the 60 mg/ml, if you prefer not to. You can cut it to a lower level after taking a bottle out of the freezer, letting it get to room temperature. Take a 240 ml clean bottle, pour a "120 ml" bottle of nicotine base into it (assuming it's really 124 ml, 1/4 of a 500 ml bottle), then add 62.5 ml of plain PG or VG. Shake this bottle and you have a 40 mg/ml bottle of working nicotine base.
Hopefully this helps. Personally I wouldn't bother with more than a couple year supply, which is well within reasonable freezer storage time, but that's just me.
Pretty much everything that markfm wrote. I'm pretty comfortable with hazardous chemicals but I still won't get nic over 60mg/ml. If you have pets and/or children it might be a consideration.
The small bottles, flavorings, lab equipment, VG and PG will all still be available when you're ready. This might be a good thing to pick up too.
http://www.eliquidtest.com/BuyNow.aspx For safety sake, peace of mind, etc.
And thank you markfm for doing all that math! I'm quite comfortable with what I have now.
The small bottles, flavorings, lab equipment, VG and PG will all still be available when you're ready. This might be a good thing to pick up too.
http://www.eliquidtest.com/BuyNow.aspx For safety sake, peace of mind, etc.
And thank you markfm for doing all that math! I'm quite comfortable with what I have now.
Haven't got my first DIY order yet but I will be using plastic gloves for safety when mixing. I ordered 60ml of 60mg NIC. When I get it I plan on imediately cutting it with PG and VG to make it safe,don't want consetrated 60mg NIC laying around in freezer. Will it hurt the lifespan of the NIC if I cut it down to 30mg with PG and VG. Is that low enough to be safe? Then I will dilute down to 15mg and add flavor later as needed for vaping.
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