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You don't want children or pets to get at nicotine liquid. This applies to "regular" eliquid as well as nicotine base, though of course lower mg/ml is relatively safer. No more hazardous than many chemicals around the home.

I don't sweat storing 60 in our home freezer, properly marked, a layer of bubble wrap, then put in a freezer storage bag, also marked. It's stored under a metal grid, nominally where ice cube trays go, out of the way.
 

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Pretty much everything that markfm wrote. I'm pretty comfortable with hazardous chemicals but I still won't get nic over 60mg/ml. If you have pets and/or children it might be a consideration.
The small bottles, flavorings, lab equipment, VG and PG will all still be available when you're ready. This might be a good thing to pick up too.
http://www.eliquidtest.com/BuyNow.aspx For safety sake, peace of mind, etc.

And thank you markfm for doing all that math! I'm quite comfortable with what I have now. :)

If ordered from a top notch company, does one really need to test their DIY batches if the start with 60mg?
Before I vape it I will be cutting it down to 15mg(1 part Nic 3 parts PG), so if by some chance I there is 100mg in the bottle instead of 60, 100mg cut down the same way would make it 25mg which is safe. If ordered from one of the TOP OF THE LINE companies, in my opinon I don't feel a need to test it. Whats everyones thought.
 

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Nicotine base stored in a freezer, in glass bottles filled close to full, should readily store for several years.

Personally, if you don't have sensitivity to PG, I'd go with a PG nicotine base -- it's just simpler to work with, because it's thinner, easier to measure accurately.

As to strength, if space isn't too big a concern, I'd stick with lower strength than 100, probably 60 mg/ml. I go by price point, how many mg of nic per dollar, and 60 mg/ml seems to be a sweet spot.

How much depends on what you vape. Say you vape 4 ml/day, of 20 mg/ml eliquid. That's 4 x 20 = 80 mg/day of nicotine (you only absorb a fraction of that). A 500ml bottle of 60 mg/ml is 30000 mg of nicotine, or 30000/80 = 375 day supply, a bit over a year even if you don't cut down your nic strength over time (many of us do, but not all). A full liter would get you twice as much, of course.

A 500 ml bottle of nic can be readily split into 4 "120 ml" glass bottles for long term storage. The bottles actually hold a bit more than their official size. You only take one bottle out at a time, your working nic base.

For me, I recently went for 500ml, plus some cobalt blue glass bottles, from RTSvapes. They are a good supplier, seem to be decent on stock, though there are other popular nicotine base vendors.

You don't actually have to work with the 60 mg/ml, if you prefer not to. You can cut it to a lower level after taking a bottle out of the freezer, letting it get to room temperature. Take a 240 ml clean bottle, pour a "120 ml" bottle of nicotine base into it (assuming it's really 124 ml, 1/4 of a 500 ml bottle), then add 62.5 ml of plain PG or VG. Shake this bottle and you have a 40 mg/ml bottle of working nicotine base.

Hopefully this helps. Personally I wouldn't bother with more than a couple year supply, which is well within reasonable freezer storage time, but that's just me.

120ml of 60mg nic solution makes pretty close to a full 1000ml at a dilution to 6mg .. I mixed some up this weekend .. it came out to about 36 bottles of 30ml each after flavoring ..

I believe that generally, a PG solution will outlast a VG base no matter how it's stored ..

Had I averaged $10.00 per 30ml bottle for commercially made, that's $360.00 ..

My 6000ml I have in freezer storage, bottles, flavoring, measuring equipment etc, was less in cost than $360.00 ..

As one fairly new to DIY, I now understand why so many liquid vendors have sprung up ..
 

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120ml of 60mg nic solution makes pretty close to a full 1000ml at a dilution to 6mg .. I mixed some up this weekend .. it came out to about 36 bottles of 30ml each after flavoring ..

I believe that generally, a PG solution will outlast a VG base no matter how it's stored ..

Had I averaged $10.00 per 30ml bottle for commercially made, that's $360.00 ..

My 6000ml I have in freezer storage, bottles, flavoring, measuring equipment etc, was less in cost than $360.00 ..

As one fairly new to DIY, I now understand why so many liquid vendors have sprung up ..

where you get your bottles, measuring equipment? I can't find it now but the amber glass bottles were much cheaper at home depot or walmart than at specialized DIY stores for almost the same ones. I just ordered 4 liters of unflavored nicotine PG base. I'd like to get started on putting the nic in smaller bottles.
 

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The OP's title," FDA possibly forcing my hand! ". Is exactly why I am making my own juice, plus i'm a cheap type person. I just started vaping last Nov so very new to e-cigs. I have done allot of research and when I seen the FDA was gona pass down some rules in April. The first thing I did was research DIY juices. I had thought about it but the FDA did also force my hand to plan ahead. I figure the 60ml 60mgNIC I got will make 24-10ml bottles of 15mg Nic. It take approx 10 days to use up 1 bottle so I'll have about 8 months of stash.
And I am thinking about ordering more.

Dam Fed's are always sticking their BIG NOSES into our business. My 2cents worth is. I really believe the FEDS don't really care about if e-cigs are safe. They only care about tax revinue lost by smokers switching to e-cigs.
 

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We also want to keep our kids from cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, and sugary drinks over 16 oz. Triple meat, double cheese burgers and biggie sized fries are OK though!

You don't want children or pets to get at nicotine liquid. This applies to "regular" eliquid as well as nicotine base, though of course lower mg/ml is relatively safer. No more hazardous than many chemicals around the home.

I don't sweat storing 60 in our home freezer, properly marked, a layer of bubble wrap, then put in a freezer storage bag, also marked. It's stored under a metal grid, nominally where ice cube trays go, out of the way.
 

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Some of us are mathematically challenged. My GF always reminds me of this!

Loved Math in high school, took all the tuffest classes including Trig, but that was back in 1972. Now english was a different story, hated it took the easiest and bearly passed, as my grammer and spelling shows...

Back to the bottles used for storage mentioned in a few post.
If most store their glass bottles in the freezer where its dark, whats the need for amber bottles? Amber bottles are to protect contents from light. These amber bottles don't seem cheap, why not just get the cheaper clear glass bottles for the Freezer? Just wondering, how about blue Pint(16oz) canning jars, they are really cheap, colored, and hold allot more. Anyone every try them?
 

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If ordered from a top notch company, does one really need to test their DIY batches if the start with 60mg?
Before I vape it I will be cutting it down to 15mg(1 part Nic 3 parts PG), so if by some chance I there is 100mg in the bottle instead of 60, 100mg cut down the same way would make it 25mg which is safe. If ordered from one of the TOP OF THE LINE companies, in my opinon I don't feel a need to test it. Whats everyones thought.

Need? No, not really. I'm comfortable with the suppliers I get nic from. I bought the test kit mainly for the possibility if *I* screw up by forgetting to mark something or getting called away, etc. I DIY for my son too and it's a different strength than mine. The worst that would happen to me is a headache if I mixed his 24mg with my 12mg.
 

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I don't speak English, I speak Southern!

Mason jars are fine, or any other glass containers long as light is not exposed.

Loved Math in high school, took all the tuffest classes including Trig, but that was back in 1972. Now english was a different story, hated it took the easiest and bearly passed, as my grammer and spelling shows...

Back to the bottles used for storage mentioned in a few post.
If most store their glass bottles in the freezer where its dark, whats the need for amber bottles? Amber bottles are to protect contents from light. These amber bottles don't seem cheap, why not just get the cheaper clear glass bottles for the Freezer? Just wondering, how about blue Pint(16oz) canning jars, they are really cheap, colored, and hold allot more. Anyone every try them?
 
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Loved Math in high school, took all the tuffest classes including Trig, but that was back in 1972. Now english was a different story, hated it took the easiest and bearly passed, as my grammer and spelling shows...

Back to the bottles used for storage mentioned in a few post.
If most store their glass bottles in the freezer where its dark, whats the need for amber bottles? Amber bottles are to protect contents from light. These amber bottles don't seem cheap, why not just get the cheaper clear glass bottles for the Freezer? Just wondering, how about blue Pint(16oz) canning jars, they are really cheap, colored, and hold allot more. Anyone every try them?

The Nic will break down the metal lids, not a good idea.

I just bought some bottles for a great price check this link.
Boston Round Bottles, 4 Oz Pack of 12: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
 

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Nic's about the only thing they could successfully ban. I'm not even that worried about atomizers as I've heard of plans to use an atomizer-like device as a diet aid.

Nic liquids store well in the freezer if unflavored. To start, it's usually wise to get something not too far above what you vape until you learn the fine points. Once you're sure of your method and safety precautions you can move on from there (or stay where you are if you don't trust yourself).

Also while searching on Amazon I noticed that most e-cig products where listed as aroma therapy devices.
 

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I have been thinking. Perhaps vaping vendor's need to diversified. Extend the market to people like me who have never smoked and do not use nicotine. And those have lowered their nic to 0. Or perhaps as a diet aid. I know that this is walking a thin line. There is the fear of being seen as recruiting smokers. As it is now if nicotine is banned for e-cigs then most vendors will be out of business.
 
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