fda regulations / let's see it from the other side, their side

[vapero]

I was just reading a good article here THE CASE FOR OR AGAINST E-CIGARETTES: WHAT THE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH SAYS | Feature Stories | Cancer Prevention National Newsletter and Web Site posted on another thread but this particular paragraph got me thinking...

Perhaps most troubling to public health officials is that e-cigarettes will "renormalize" smoking, subverting the cultural shift that has occurred over the past 50 years, transforming what has become a perverse habit into a pervasive social behavior. In other words, the fear is that e-cigarettes will allow for reentry of the tobacco cigarette into public view. This would unravel the gains created by smoke-free indoor and, in some scientifically-unwarranted instances, outdoor environments.

imagine a perfect world where there are no money influences, corruption or hidden agendas, this sounds like a legitimate cause of concern, we as the world are finally getting ourselves out of the tobacco pit hole that has caused a lot of deaths by stigmatizing its use, we finally made it "uncool" but now there is a new thing that is "safer" but in their head would make the use of tobacco a cool thing to do again and... well you get the idea

don't get me wrong I love vaping and it has changed my life but I do see their point here

 

[Tangaroav]

Based on this kind of thinking almost anything could become ''uncool'' . I think zealots should be branded with a red hot iron and sent to forced labor in Alaska.

 

[zoiDman]

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imagine a perfect world where there are no money influences, corruption or hidden agendas, this sounds like a legitimate cause of concern, ...

I think it is a Legitimate Concern even in our Big Money, Corrupt and Agenda Based World we live in.

But with All things, one must weigh the Possible Good against the Possible Bad. And then Choose the Lesser of the Evil. Or the Greater of the Good.

 

[vapero]

this is the next line

Careful epidemiological studies will be needed to determine whether the individual gains from e-cigarettes will be counteracted by population-level harms. For policy makers the challenge is how to act in the face of uncertainty.

we are against these regulations because their trying to sacrifice us for the "good of the whole society" but If I was the leader and I faced a situation where I had to sacrifice a few for the greater good I would do it (the greater good here is not black or white there is an uncertainty and they don't want to risk it until they know more about it)

again I'm playing the devil's advocate here

 

[klynnn]

I always thought freedom meant I could make my own choices, not what you or someone else thinks is best for me or might look better.

 

[tj99959]

let's see it from the other side, their side

That's easy: They want to kick the industry back into the stone ages.

My real fear of deeming regulations is the damper it will place on R&D. Advancements in the technology can only be made if they are allowed.

 

[zoiDman]

I always thought freedom meant I could make my own choices, not what you or someone else thinks is best for me or might look better.

In the Purest Sense of the word, that is what it Means.

But we Don't Live in that Country or World.

 

[vapero]

I always thought freedom meant I could make my own choices, not what you or someone else thinks is best for me or might look better.

that is exactly the point here, its the best for you as it helped you quit smoking but it's not the best for those that without ecig would have never begin smoking.

I once saw this quote "your liberty to move your hand stops when it reaches my nose"
who is paying the medical bills for the illness of a lot of smokers? the government?? then there is your answer. a lot of smokers are IMPOSING the government to pay their medical bills

 

[klynnn]

There is no justification for banning ecigs while cigarettes are left on the market, none.

 

[bluecat]

I fail to see the logic of our most intelligent scientific minds.. vaping will lead to smoking....

1) Smoking is nothing like vaping. Research would immediately confirm it.

2) Smoking tastes like %%%%. Vaping does not. Again, research anyone?

3) Vaping has flavors.. kids love flavors.. Again.. adults like flavors too... Now let us do some research. Oh pick me! I have a 12 and in a week 16 year old. I am more afraid of her driving than picking up a e cig. I ask her if kids at her 3000+ student high school vape or smoke or anything. She has seen a couple with the vape but after a time they are no longer using them. To her it isn't cool to smoke or vape. She doesn't see any point in it. Cigarette smoke stinks - my kids would not get around me after I smoked one. They do come around me me when I vape because they can only smell vanilla.

A vape will never normalize smoking. If they would research it instead of pulling it out of their nether regions they would realize that.

Quite frankly if you want to smoke, drink, vape or whatever, as long as it does not interfere with others.. who give these people the right to say what you can and cannot do.

For 2000 years humans have been chewing or smoking tobacco. 2000 years.

 

[B2L]

If they wanted to wipe out vaping completely I would buy that argument. It seems, however, they want to gift wrap it and hand it over to BT which leads me to believe this is another smokescreen. It's all about money and control.

 

[zoiDman]

There is no justification for banning ecigs while cigarettes are left on the market, none.

If you Ban them, and More Voters like it, is that a Viable Justification for an Elected Official?

Remember: The Rules of being an Elected Official.

Rule #1 - Do Anything it takes to get Re-Elected.

Rule #2 - See Rule #1

 

[klynnn]

If you look at the economy it is obvious our elected officials have been following rule #1. Now when they shut down all small businesses that employ 2/3 of the people in this country I doubt we will have to worry about ecigs, food or medical.

 

[zoiDman]

If you look at the economy it is obvious our elected officials have been following rule #1. Now when they shut down all small businesses that employ 2/3 of the people in this country I doubt we will have to worry about ecigs, food or medical.

How much Money do you think your Average e-Cigarette/e-Liquid seller contribute to Political Campaigns?

$50K ?

$5K ?

$500 ?

Zip ?

 

[B2L]

How much Money do you think your Average e-Cigarette/e-Liquid seller contribute to Political Campaigns?

$50K ?

$5K ?

$500 ?

Zip ?

My guess would be somewhere between zip and zip but even if it were 50K, that wouldn't come close to matching contributions from BT and BP.

 

[zoiDman]

my guess would be somewhere between zip and zip ...

lol

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[klynnn]

You can't buy something that BT and BP already own, They aren't selling their politicians at the moment..

 

[zoiDman]

You can't buy something that BT and BP already own, They aren't selling their politicians at the moment..

BT Doesn't Own any Elected Officials.

And Elected Official will do a Complete 180 on Policy at the Drop of a Hat. That is, For the Highest Bidder.

 

[joesquid]

How much Money do you think your Average e-Cigarette/e-Liquid seller contribute to Political Campaigns?

$50K ?

$5K ?

$500 ?

Zip ?

I would think we contribute the same as any other average citizen or business. I believe we are a true cross section of society. Remember, your vote is just as powerful as any other citizens and that's why grassroots letter writing campaigns can be effective. Gets them thinking about rule #1.

 

[realsis]

It is only about money power and control!!! That's the real agenda and the reason they stand with this position. See through the smoke screen it's not about our health, for goodness sakes, it's only about money greed and power. That's the true agenda.