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It is about vitamin supplements. Okay, so now do I start hoarding supplements too? Or, just give in to the nanny state, be a good girl, take FDA approved pharmaceuticals, and suck on analogs?


do not take the fda approved stuff.. i see them on tv all the time a few months after they hit the shelves saying if you died from this join this lawsuit
 

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whimzkool- "give in to the nanny state, be a good girl, take FDA approved pharmaceuticals, and suck on analogs?"

Maybe in THEIR perfect little world lol...


janetda- "I swear to God, we need to pass a law that requires that they eliminate 5 laws for every new law that is passed from now on. Then maybe they'll only go after the important stuff."

Freaken A!
 
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Well for years companies have been able to sell you products that were not regulated or tested because they were called "dietary supplements". It was a huge loophole for them. Think about that next time you are in line at GNC or where ever buying a "supplement".

IMHO, this is probably one of the good things the government has done in the last 20 or so years. Do you think people should be able to package anything they want and sell it to you? The stuff that we take should be safe, in fact they need to crack down on the prescription drug market too. Too many negative health effects. I love all these commercials that have a list of side effects that are a mile long and way more threatening than the original problem the person is taking the pill for.
 
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I love all these commercials that have a list of side effects that are a mile long and way more threatening than the original problem the person is taking the pill for.


Oh yeah, I love those commercials "I have this cough" Side effects include rectal bleeding, kidney failure and in rare cases death!!!

I think I will stick with the cough thank you.
 

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Well for years companies have been able to sell you products that were not regulated or tested because they were called "dietary supplements". It was a huge loophole for them. Think about that next time you are in line at GNC or where ever buying a "supplement".



IMHO, this is probably one of the good things the government has done in the last 20 or so years. Do you think people should be able to package anything they want and sell it to you? The stuff that we take should be safe, in fact they need to crack down on the prescription drug market too. Too many negative health effects. I love all these commercials that have a list of side effects that are a mile long and way more threatening than the original problem the person is taking the pill for.



We're talking about my Fintsones and Vitamin C Chewables! lol If you are talking about dietary supplements such as herbal remedies on the other hand... the only reason those are not FDA approved is because they are naturally occurring substances, and a drug company can't patent a naturally occurring substance. So... no patent=no $$$$ -For example..Stevia and Ephedrine...read about why they were made illegal for years... and why they're back on the shelves today.

Another example.... Medical Marijuana has been proven effective in helping over 200 medical conditions... gosh wouldn't that throw a monkey wrench in big Pharmas sales ...soooo ... nope illegal... but hey we'll make our own synthetic version... so we can patent it and rake in the dough ...well here's what happened... After dogs on Nabilone started having convulsions and dropping dead, the first attempts at producing synthetic THC were scrapped. Enter Marinol, a drug never intended for human use and one with many dangerous side effects.



Bill Zimmerman, PhD, Executive Director of Americans for Medical Rights, wrote in a Nov. 15, 2001 email to ProCon.org:
"Marijuana has been used as a medicinal herb for thousands of years, going back to ancient civilizations in Egypt, India and Africa. In all that time, up to and including the present day, there has NEVER been a report of a fatality directly due to the consumption of marijuana.

In contrast, over ONE THOUSAND people die annually in the US from an overdose of our most common non-prescription drug, aspirin. In addition, MANY THOUSANDS of deaths result from the legal prescription drugs."

Medical Marijuana is legal in 14 states now, 13 more states have pending legislation to legalize it... and no I don't smoke it... but my husband has epilepsy, and it is not legal in our state... so he's stuck taking the FDA approved RX that is ruining his teeth, causing him to have osteoporosis, and possibly frying his liver...not to mention the mile long list of other side effects that are constantly hanging over our heads.... and all at the young age of 36...



So, to your comment about cracking down on the prescription drug market... I couldn't agree more...

I'm Sorry if I seem cranky...it's so not directed at you... but with the possibility of the e-cig being banned... and the a** backwards way the FDA keeps trying to "protect" us ....I'm just so frustrated...
 

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Has rocks in their HEADS I mean!!! First the Rife machine, the e-cig, and now VITAMINS!! WTH!!!!! Where is the epidemic of vitamin pill fatalities? Seriously!?? I'm going to shut up now. Can't say anything nice don't say anything at all right..:mad:

Reject S. 3002 DSSA, The Food Supplement Criminalization Act

Save DSHEA! Citizens For Health

(Please forgive me if this is the wrong place to post this.. I just wanted as many people to see and sign this as possible.)


What outlaw vitamins :evil: I have been taking vitamins for most of my life and have researched their benefits and attended classes and seminars. This is outragous.8-o
Time to build an arsenal of vitamins.
 

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Have you considered the other side of this, without the slippery-slope arguments?

Giving the FDA the license to restrict their distribution would actually give them authority much like they have over food. As in, shut down distribution when they suspect a contamination or other violation has occurred. This is not about hurting the Flintstones. This is about stopping the importation of an herbal blend contaminated with heavy metals, for instance, as some have been found to contain, or a vitamin that contains unsafe quantities above the labeled strength.

I wouldn't fear for the supply of my B vitamins and calcium supplements.

I don't think the FDA is evil (incompetent or overzealous sometimes, yes). One point of their mission in regulating drugs is to keep people from getting sick (or not getting better) from patent medicines and quack remedies.

Frankly, the 1994 act that allowed unregulated sale of anything not making health claims and containing GRAS ingredients has allowed for an awful lot of crap to be sold on the market. Big Supplement/Herb has a lobby too, and some very sympathetic advocates in Congress, which never followed the 1994 act up with the promised authority/mandate/funding for oversight on manufacturing, etc. This is filling in part of that gap sixteen years later.
ConsumerLab as well as any number of independent studies testing the purity or strength of vitamins and supplements (especially herbal blends) have found vast inconsistencies with labeled quantities and contents, and in some cases, unlabeled additives and contaminants.

Follow the science.

(And the Rife machine? Really? Chemotherapy saved my life, I think I'll pass on the 'radionics' that would have allowed me to die.)
 

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Well for years companies have been able to sell you products that were not regulated or tested because they were called "dietary supplements". It was a huge loophole for them. Think about that next time you are in line at GNC or where ever buying a "supplement".

IMHO, this is probably one of the good things the government has done in the last 20 or so years. Do you think people should be able to package anything they want and sell it to you? The stuff that we take should be safe, in fact they need to crack down on the prescription drug market too. Too many negative health effects. I love all these commercials that have a list of side effects that are a mile long and way more threatening than the original problem the person is taking the pill for.

Those commercials that list side-effects are PHARMA commercials. They are required to read that list of adverse events, and rightly so, imho.

Quite frankly if someone is too stupid or lazy to do due diligence with respect to something they are ingesting, then they get the Darwin Award for which they applied.

There is no True "safe" when it comes to the substances we ingest. People have allergies, people don't follow dosing instructions, people do any number of not-so-intelligent things.

With respect to medication and dietary suppliments, let's allow people to be the adults that they are. I don't need the government or you to protect me from myself, that's my job. As my grandmother used to tell my mother ... "Mind your own."

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K2 incense is making the news. This is a natural mixture of herbs. It does not contain THC but some are saying it gets them high. You can order it online and some stores are selling it. If you burn the incense or some smoke it some people says that get a high but others say it does not do anything. Some states have sent it to the crime lab for analysis. I don't know how they can band this since it does not contain any drugs.

Has anybody else heard of this or even tried it.
 

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FDA has been after the herbal/vitamin market for years now. They started back in the 80s. I am so fed up with them on so many levels. Yes we do need to make sure our medication supply is safe, but there are a lot of companies in the FDAs pockets. I am on another board protesting the FDA attempting to remove a medication from the market that literally saved my life. They want to get rid of it and make millions of us go back to an inferior treatment. Of course, if they succeed I will not only be forced to take a medication that made me literally sick enough that I almost died, but I would have to take a slew of other medications..anti depressants, statins, blood pressure meds..the list goes on and on. Guess who would reap the benefit of my misery? Big Pharmacy. I can 99% guarantee Big Pharma is behind the the attempt to regulate vitamins and supplements. Evidence or lack there of doesn't matter..dollars do.
 

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You appear to be veeryknowledgable in the medical field and I truly respect your opinion. Could you please explain Codex to me? Thanks.
(I ought to be forward and say I am not a doctor or any other type of medical professional, but I have spent a long time reading studies and secondary literature, and pestering my MD/PhD/pharmacist friends and acquaintances to explain things my general science courses didn't cover. I do have a number of herbalist and alternative medicine practitioner friends who provide me with contrasting views, and I try to go for the most "objective" perspective possible.)

My first rule when delving into these kinds of things -- like understanding a legislative proposal or medical treatment -- is to go to the source texts. It's dangerous to rely solely on someone else's interpretation, because the Internet is an echo chamber that tends to pass along the most extreme viewpoints, however misinformed.

Codex is short for Codex Alimentarius. (Codex is just regulatory-speak for a book of rules. The FDA has lots of codices.)
It's a series of international guidelines, and as with a lot of large organizational efforts, it is subjected to a lot of conspiracy theories.

It relates almost entirely to food standards -- it's really a set of best practices and standards around labeling, handling, hygiene and safety, as well as guidelines about limits on surface contaminants (pesticides, etc.) that can remain on a product.
Codex does not impose regulation or override in-country laws; it's mostly meant to set the rules/standards for international trade disputes.
(It doesn't have anything to do with medicines or clinical trials.)

This kind of standardization is a good thing, i.e. that you can count on "Gluten Free" meaning the same thing when it's imported from another country, and that disputes can be brought if one country starts loosening their idea of "Gluten Free" (or whatever) while still claiming it on the label.

It also has to do, in the world of dietary supplements, with the ensurance that what is on the label is the same as what's in the bottle. (Which, obviously, would be a nice thing.*) This is where much of the fear-mongering comes from.
But, while countries may use the Codex standards to guide the setting of limits on supplements (prohibiting toxic-level doses of a vitamin or mineral, for instance, or having label requirements) it is not going to impose any kind of worldwide "law".

Harmonization of standards, which is what Codex Alimentarius is all about, is a positive thing -- it means that the bureaucrats from one country know what the bureaucrats from another country are talking about. It gives a reference point for "good hygienic practices" for instance.

Given that so much of the food supply crosses borders these days (apple juice from China, grapes from Chile, etc.), having these published standards is pretty important if you think about it. I'd rather not allow one country to sell us contaminated food processed in filty old facilities for cheap, while domestic producers in the US have to follow FDA/USDA guidelines at higher cost.

Wikipedia gives an overview of Codex, and the official website has the standards, which are so dull your eyes will bleed.
(This is one reason why people read the most scary interpretations of Codex. Source texts are always so much more boring.)


*The 1994 DSHEA, as I alluded, only imposed basic labeling requirements (that are not actually enforced), and are subject to hygienic preparation standards that are (on paper) weaker than the regulations on prison food and animal feedstock.
(In contrast, with facilities manufacturing prescription drugs, the FDA must inspect facilities every four weeks for compliance, and overseas production sites every eight weeks (if I remember right).)

As relates to the OP:
The 2010 act that is the original subject of this post, if you read the text of the bill, gives recall authority to the FDA on any over-the-counter supplements that have been associated with serious adverse events or deaths, and puts some restrictions on new supplement compounds to prove their safety. (Um, doesn't that make sense? That we don't become guinea pigs?)
This means vitamins and minerals will be completely untouched, unless a particular producer has been found to sell unsafe products.
If someone sees anything more threatening than that in the text of the bill, please point it out to me. I don't see it.
 

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Quite frankly if someone is too stupid or lazy to do due diligence with respect to something they are ingesting, then they get the Darwin Award for which they applied.
Agreed.

But...
With respect to medication and dietary suppliments, let's allow people to be the adults that they are. I don't need the government or you to protect me from myself, that's my job. As my grandmother used to tell my mother ... "Mind your own."
Should the USDA stop inspecting meat, because we can be adults and figure out which packages contain E. coli?
Should the FDA stop inspecting overseas facilities producing the prescription medicines we take, because we should be willing to research that ourselves?
 

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Agreed.

But...

Should the USDA stop inspecting meat, because we can be adults and figure out which packages contain E. coli?
Should the FDA stop inspecting overseas facilities producing the prescription medicines we take, because we should be willing to research that ourselves?

That's the general idea of what I said taken to extreme. Extremes are in general not helpful.

Imho, what 'we' are up against is the opposite extreme. Where's the moderation, where's the balance? I'm with the other's who oppose the 'nanny-state' that gets to make all of my decisions for me. If I choose to ingest a product that someone else may choose not to, who's been hurt? I make the decision for me, you make the decision for you.

Again, I'm not talking about requiring what's on the label to be what is in the bottle (with nothing else included, to be quite clear) ... I'm talking about the government getting to decide what products are available. Not kosher for this Libertarian-leaning gal.

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