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[BigJimW]

The consensus is that we should not put anything into Medwatch. They could use it against us. They might have a thousand positive comments like yours and just say "We received a thousand reports about electronic cigarettes." Given how they did a major Maytag job on their lab analysis, I really wouldn't put it past them to twist this.

Well, if they did that, some smart lawyer for a certain electronic cigarette manufacturer can simply sue the FDA under the Freedom of Information Act and request the "thousands of reports"

A stunt like that could backfire on the FDA big time.

 

[Vocalek]

That reminds me of something else I have been wondering about, Jim. Could we not use FOIA to demand that FDA produce documentation on the specific quantities of TSNA's they found? They do mention "ng/g" as a measurement in the report itself. Yet there is no table containing those measurements.

 

[DC2]

Wow!! They really have it bad for us, don't they? What a waste of research dollars!!!!

Yes, they do, and they're not going to stop either.

 

[ecigarettes4less]

Why would they do that? What is their interest in stopping the sale of ecigarettes? How to they have the budget to spend on advertising? They should use that money to get tobacco off the market. That does not seem right to me.

 

[ChipCurtis]

Why would they do that? What is their interest in stopping the sale of ecigarettes? How to they have the budget to spend on advertising? They should use that money to get tobacco off the market. That does not seem right to me.

This would be funny if it were nothing more than a troll post, which I'm not even sure it is. You can't be for real? You've been here since June 09, have only 21 posts, and your questions can be (and are practically begged to be) all answered by reading through the legal and FDA-based threads on this section of this forum. Where have you been over the last 8 months?

Let me take you on a quick shortcut in case you're not on the same page as everybody else here:

1) Why would they do that?
2) What is their interest in stopping the sale of ecigarettes?

Answer: Money. FDA funding from Big Pharma & Big tobacco will suffer from loss of tobacco and NRT sales.

3) How to they have the budget to spend on advertising?

Answer: Taxpayer. You. If they need more money, they just ask for it. You pay.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

3) How to they have the budget to spend on advertising?

Answer: Taxpayer. You. If they need more money, they just ask for it. You pay.

Although, technically, they don't 'ask' for it...they just take.

Gotta love the Govt's hand in my wallet all the time.

 

[BigJimW]

That reminds me of something else I have been wondering about, Jim. Could we not use FOIA to demand that FDA produce documentation on the specific quantities of TSNA's they found? They do mention "ng/g" as a measurement in the report itself. Yet there is no table containing those measurements.

Well, if there is a table of measurments, the FDA has yet to release the findings. I don't see any reason why these documents would be deemed classified. It's not like some top secret Department of Defense document or a still classified CIA file on Lee Harvey Oswald. These documents belong to the American people. We paid for them, and we have a right to see them. I am quite sure they can be easily obtained under the FOIA.

 

[taurusaud]

lol.. hit that direct like over and over.. its cost them around 20-60 cents per hit

yea its probably our money they're spending though

 

[Nikhil]

That reminds me of something else I have been wondering about, Jim. Could we not use FOIA to demand that FDA produce documentation on the specific quantities of TSNA's they found? They do mention "ng/g" as a measurement in the report itself. Yet there is no table containing those measurements.

I'm fairly certain that is because the measurements were too low to be measured, only enough to be detected.

 

[Vocalek]

I'm fairly certain that is because the measurements were too low to be measured, only enough to be detected.

Dr. Laugesen managed to measure the TSNAs. He found 8 ng/g in the 16 mg. Ruyan cartridges, and commented that this quantity matches what is in the nicotine patch. If the test used by the FDA only measures quantities that are smaller than this, then that proves that e-cigarettes are much safer than FDA nicotine products.

So which is it FDA? Were the quantities "detected" so small that they can't even be expressed in ng/g (parts per trillion)?