FDA to now begin investigating e-cigarettes (FL)

[Petrodus]

Stop bursting my bubble, dude!

 

[AgentAnia]

I've been told that Stan Glantz was one of the founders of ANR.

Why am I not surprised...

 

[Bill Godshall]

I've known everyone at ANR for the past 25 years, and I collaborated with ANR on many policy battles. ANR even gave me their Advocate of the Year award in 1999.

And yes, Stan Glantz was a founder, a president, and the leading fundraiser for ANR since it was created in the early 1980's (when it was called Californians for Nonsmokers Rights).

Ironically, former ANR director Julia Carol (who was director of ANR throughout the 1990's) repeatedly warned me that tobacco/nicotine prohibitionists were trying to take over the nonsmokers rights movement. Little did Julia realize that her successor (Cynthia Hallet), her boss (Stan Glantz), and quite a few ANR board members and staff were/are among the prohibitionists that she warned me about.

In 2010 after ANR's Bronson Frick falsely claimed (on the smokefree listserve ANR administered) that the defunct Electronic Cigarette Association (run by njoy) was lobbying against smokefree legislation (he cited ECA testimony urging Indianapolis Council to exempt e-cigs from its proposed smoking ban), I posted a followup correcting Bronson's false claim and urged smokefree advocates to support e-cigs.
In response, ANR immediately threw me off of their smokefree forum.

Ever since, ANR has led a nationwide legislative campaign to include e-cig usage bans in smokefree workplace legislation.

 

[RosaJ]

The FDA propaganda machine ...
has convinced the public that if its not FDA Approved
then it's not safe.

It's the public that doesn't think when they watch the commercials about all the class action suits against medications, hip replacements, meshes, etc., that were all FDA approved and have proven fatal in some cases. Chantix is still approved by the FDA even after the pharma company lost a class action suit recently. I quess putting 2 plus 2 together is not within the reach of some people's reasoning.

 

[Uma]

Interesting about ANR (Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights) and its "sister" foundation, ANR Foundation; did some digging last night, and here's an interesting read (link is broken):

hxxp://www.no-smoke. org/pdf/anrvsanrf.pdf

As a non-profit, ANRF is required to file a 990 with the IRS. The foundation was in receipt, in 2012, of well over 1.5 million in donations and "grants." The list of contributors has been blanked out on the pdf available online (where do you suppose some of those large amounts come from, hmmmm?), but checking their list of individual donors on the website brings up, as a donor in the $1000-5000 range, of... that little ant, S. Glant[...]. They're all located in the San Francisco area. ANR and ANRF state they share staff. Not wearing a tin hat here, but can't help notice several connections and correlations...

Know thine enemy, is all I have to say...

I've been told that Stan Glantz was one of the founders of ANR.

Why am I not surprised...

I've known everyone at ANR for the past 25 years, and I collaborated with ANR on many policy battles. ANR even gave me their Advocate of the Year award in 1999.

And yes, Stan Glantz was a founder, a president, and the leading fundraiser for ANR since it was created in the early 1980's (when it was called Californians for Nonsmokers Rights).

Ironically, former ANR director Julia Carol (who was director of ANR throughout the 1990's) repeatedly warned me that tobacco/nicotine prohibitionists were trying to take over the nonsmokers rights movement. Little did Julia realize that her successor (Cynthia Hallet), her boss (Stan Glantz), and quite a few ANR board members and staff were/are among the prohibitionists that she warned me about.

In 2010 after ANR's Bronson Frick falsely claimed (on the smokefree listserve ANR administered) that the defunct Electronic Cigarette Association (run by NJOY) was lobbying against smokefree legislation (he cited ECA testimony urging Indianapolis Council to exempt e-cigs from its proposed smoking ban), I posted a followup correcting Bronson's false claim and urged smokefree advocates to support e-cigs.
In response, ANR immediately threw me off of their smokefree forum.

Ever since, ANR has led a nationwide legislative campaign to include e-cig usage bans in smokefree workplace legislation.

Arcata California just snuck a "smoke free town" ordinance by. I don't know if it's changeable or not. Someone said it includes e-cigs. I don't doubt it. But I can't find the ordinance itself.

I'm not surprised either, yet I'm speechless for the right sentences, right words. I know how I feel, but I don't know what to do about how I feel.
I think we need a Civil Rights Lawyer and a political criminal investigation. Glantz and his cronies need an impeachment.

googled and found this: http://www.justice.gov/ag/readingroom/generalcrimea.htm

 

[Petrodus]

It's the public that doesn't think when they watch the commercials about all the class action suits against medications, hip replacements, meshes, etc., that were all FDA approved and have proven fatal in some cases. Chantix is still approved by the FDA even after the pharma company lost a class action suit recently. I quess putting 2 plus 2 together is not within the reach of some people's reasoning.

I wonder what percentage of FDA Approved drugs
have disclaimers which include ...
"May Cause Suicidal Thoughts or Actions"

 

[AgentAnia]

I wonder what percentage of FDA Approved drugs
have disclaimers which include ...
"May Cause Suicidal Thoughts or Actions"

If you've ever had occasion to read a lot of the "fine print" inserts on Rx meds, you'd be amazed at how many include "Some serious side effects encountered include ..... death." I also recall seeing the title of an article on a medical journal website: "Should deaths be reported as part of clinical trials, Yes or no?..."

 

[rothenbj]

So I should believe the FDA 10 Former Wonder Drugs Gone Bad I cant say that this reference is for sure the truth but I do recall some of the drugs listed here. After reading this should I really look for FDA approval? You can still buy a pack of smokes so that must be OK then right? Why can't they just do their job and tell us the risk/benefit and move on. Ecigs aren't new and if there was a real problem we should have heard of it by now.

Well they got Fen-Phen wrong. There was no such drug. I worked at Wyeth when that hit. It was actually two separate drugs- "fen" stands for "fenfluramine," and the "phen" stands for "phentermine. I forget which one Robins made, I think it was the fen side or legalized speed as it was known as in the 70s and used heavily in Hollywood. The Phen side was made by a number of drug companies. Wyeth came out with Redux that was dexfenfluramine. It apparently worked very well by itself, but with "fen" it worked incredible except for heart valve problems and billions in law suit awards that made many lawyers rich.

That was one of the two crushing blows my 401k took (the other being the stock market "crash"), so I'm very familiar with that mess.

 

[RosaJ]

I wonder what percentage of FDA Approved drugs
have disclaimers which include ...
"May Cause Suicidal Thoughts or Actions"

Accutane is another one of them.

 

[Copycat2]

I wonder what percentage of FDA Approved drugs
have disclaimers which include ...
"May Cause Suicidal Thoughts or Actions"

Actually, two of my medications contain the phrase. Doesn't mean I stopped taking them because of that.

 

[Petrodus]

BP is not in the health care business...
they are in the drug maintenance business.

 

[DC2]

I've been told that Stan Glantz was one of the founders of ANR.

Says so right in his UCSF profile...
http: //healthpolicy.ucsf.edu/people/stanton-glantz-phd

He is one of the founders of Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights.