FDA vs E-Cigs NPR Live at 4pm

[watertones]

take that back, no they didn't

 

[Superstargoddess]

This is bad.

 

[tannerk]

Did you here? E-cigs are compared to SEX education...

 

[watertones]

Haha oh yeah baby!

 

[tannerk]

Your thoughts?

 

[Superstargoddess]

They kept saying "We don't know what's in e-liquid", but isn't there info everywhere about exactly what is in them?

 

[watertones]

The FDA said that it's the companies' responsibility to prove them safe, but it's both. WFT

 

[tannerk]

They kept saying "We don't know what's in e-liquid", but isn't there info everywhere about exactly what is in them?

Nope, just speculation. FDA report has shown that.

 

[Our House]

Worse than the original article, but still not terrible. It bothers me to no end how antis keep pushing ecigs into cessation territory (even when faced with very legitimate arguments against that stance).

 

[Superstargoddess]

Worse than the original article, but still not terrible. It bothers me to no end how antis keep pushing ecigs into cessation territory (even when faced with very legitimate arguments against that stance).

Even being classified as a cessation device wouldn't bother me unless they jack the prices up to what patches and all of that cost!

 

[Our House]

Even being classified as a cessation device wouldn't bother me unless they jack the prices up to what patches and all of that cost!

Problem is the testing required to get approved along that route, and then of course the requirement to have a 12 week "quit-or-return-to-analogs" program attached to them like other NRTs...or even worse, available by doctor prescription only.

 

[HighTech]

Speaking of Cash-For-Clunkers, it is not stimulating, just a cheap way to create a populist buzz.

It also creates debt, more money for the bank by you financing a newer auto and going in to debt to do it...by those who can least afford it. It's a sham.

 

[Superstargoddess]

Problem is the testing required to get approved along that route, and then of course the requirement to have a 12 week "quit-or-return-to-analogs" program attached to them like other NRTs...or even worse, available by doctor prescription only.

Ah, I see. There is a limited time that you can buy those types of things? I figured that things like the patch, since they are OTC, could be used for as long as one technically wanted to.

Doc prescription would be pretty horrible for those who don't have some sort of insurance or a low budget alternative.

 

[ladyraj]

Our enemies...Ash links to the same transcript and NPR program:

Introduction to Action on Smoking and Health, ASH

 

[lotus14]

Ah, I see. There is a limited time that you can buy those types of things? I figured that things like the patch, since they are OTC, could be used for as long as one technically wanted to.

Doc prescription would be pretty horrible for those who don't have some sort of insurance or a low budget alternative.

There is no time limit for using OTC NRTs - only recommendations. Many doctors now tell their patients to keep using NRTs as long as they need to stay off the cigs.

Even big Pharma admits that up to 55% of purchases of nicotine gum are by "persistent users."

 

[Nestran]

Oh my god, they say we are Guinea pigs???? We were already being killed by analogs lol, where does guinea pig come into it?

And, OTC NRT success ratings include those who are persistent users of the NRT, the goal is to quit smoking, which they do, but not nicotine. We are proving that ecigs can get you off smoking and even of nic as well.

Problem is, that's not the angle of the FDA, it's to prove it's safe for human consumption in it's own right and not relative to analogs.

Nestran

 

[BigJimW]

Ok, this is the right thread. LOL

If you missed the actual aired report, I have it here:

MPR News segment of the Electronic Cigarette Pit-Tube - Get drunk and video yourself

 

[Nestran]

LOL BigJim, thanks for that link. Everyone, after that check out "Wendy's Tryout" roflmao. I gotta figure how to play that on the guitar.

OMG, I'm still laughing

Nestran

 

[Tugger]

Everything the reporter said was factually accurate and they gave airtime to our best supporter. We should be happy about this one, even if the anti's find it balanced as well.

 

[Nestran]

They did make one error, they stated that the FDA stated they were illegal (00:15). If they were illegal they would be shutting everyone down. I don't remember seeing this statement anywhere.

Nestran