Fear of Mods

[Iquitcigs]

I have seen a battery charging bag somewhere that is fire prof Lipo safe charging bag | JK's E-Cig not the one I saw but a link to one could help ps my MVP v2 last about 2 days on charge I never put it down

 

[chuckie]

You might consider trying Snus,there's a section on it in this forum.

 

[Lessifer]

I think the key is, buy more than two batteries. With something like an mvp as your main device, you have to charge it when you're not using it. With an APV that uses removable batteries you can have a minimum of three batteries and use one, have one fully charged and waiting, and charge the third when it's convenient. An 18650 really does only take a few hours to charge, I have and use a mix of 18650 and 18500 batteries and even the 18500 batteries will last me pretty much a whole day.

 

[Racehorse]

Buy good charger, and good batteries, don't over-discharge your batteries, and don't leave on charger unatteneded. "Try" to take the batteries off the charger as soon as possible after the light turns green and they are fully charged. Let the batteries "rest" after coming off charger, i.e. do not pop right into the mod, I wait about 30 min. minimum

Charge in a lipo bag or a metal box in an area where there is tile or place a tile or glass sheet underneath.

All of this becomes "habit" after a while.

Always carry your batteries in plastic battery cases, if you don't have any they're only about $1.25 each. They are very small and carrying an extra battery or 2 should really be no problem. Esp. if they are safely in a case.

Don't leave batteries or your mod inside a hot car, etc.

If the wrapping etc. starts to come off a battery, or it starts taking way too long to charge, get rid of it. If the battery has been dropped from any distance and shows any kind of damage or deep dings, get rid of it.

 

[SissySpike]

When you leave the house with out a back up not if and your bat dies you will most likely never do it again. Its just one of life with vaping little lessons.
Charging your bats in a Pyrex dish or a charging tin greatly reduces any issue with failure while charging. If a bat goes thermal you just have some smell and items to replace rather than property damage.

 

[gingersnaps]

IMO removable batteries may be safer if used correctly. In a sealed device you can't inspect the batteries for damage. Plus I prefer to carry a spare small battery instead of an entire unit.

If you just prefer an integrated battery thats cool but don't fear removeables. I've seen more news on integrated ones blowing up than any other. Most likely because they used the wrong charger or put too low ohm atty on it than what that battery can handle. I think most integrateds should have no lower than 1.5 ohm much lower and you are gonna have problems. also leaving them in a hot car is a big nono.

I use efest Imr and they can handle any normal atty. I still never go below 1 ohm. I also inspect the batteries for damage and swelling before charging and before putting in my device and have never had one have issues.


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[fyrman21]

I have a lipo safe bag from all my lipo batteries I use in my r/c planes and helis. I have had a r/c battery go up in flames from a short in the main wires but the bag kept it contained. I charge my 18350s in it but have never had an issue with those. My r/c battery that caught fire had recently been crashed from a few hundred feet up. I think you'd be fine without the bag but I use it anyways if I ever leave em unattended. I got my lipo bag from hobbyking.com

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[bones1274]

Mechanical mods have no built-in protection, so you have to depend upon yourself to vape safe, and use a Vape Safe Mod Fuse.

This is incorrect. My Reo Grand is mechanical and it has a collapsible hot spring built in for any shorts or other battery problems.

As for battery life, I have been using the same AW IMR 1600mah 18650's for almost 3 years. I vape nonstop for 17 hours per day and use 6+ ml of juice per day. My batteries last a day and a half and they have always sat on my Trustfire charger when not in use. I leave them on overnight, all day, leave the house for work, whatever. Never an issue.

 

[Baditude]

This is incorrect. My Reo Grand is mechanical and it has a collapsible hot spring built in for any shorts or other battery problems... My batteries last a day and a half and they have always sat on my Trustfire charger when not in use. I leave them on overnight, all day, leave the house for work, whatever.

The choice of whether to use a Vape Safe or not is your decision. I feel it doesn't hurt to have an additional layer of safety in a mechanical mod. Any protection measure has the potential to fail, and that includes a collapsable hot spring. I've personally used a mod that used such a hot spring and a protected battery, and yet BOTH failed to keep a battery from going into thermal runaway.



There are too many mechanical mods being sold today that don't use a spring of any sort. So those mods NEED a Vape Safe to have any kind of protection besides a safe chemistry battery.

So you leave your batteries in your charger and leave them overnight with no issues yet? Maybe so far you've been lucky. Some people don't check the batteries they use, don't know what resistance their coils are at etc, and nothing bad has happened, giving a false sense of security to others to try the same things, but all it will take is one bad coil or one bad battery to change someone's face forever.

What you advocate is not practicing safe battery use. That's your business, but not such a great idea to proclaim on an forum as large as this one where novices read what you say and consider, "Well this guy does it, so it must be safe." Sometimes just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

 

[PapaGeno21]

You only get 6 hours with an MVP?

Right? Mine lasts me like three to four days.

Now I'm kinda happy reading about all your times in here as I have 4 of the hybrid pannys coming in the mail and I guess its gonna take like two weeks before I gotta charge them all again lol!

 

[bones1274]

The choice of whether to use a Vape Safe or not is your decision. I feel it doesn't hurt to have an additional layer of safety in a mechanical mod. Any protection measure has the potential to fail, and that includes a collapsable hot spring. I've personally used a mod that used such a hot spring and a protected battery, and yet BOTH failed to keep a battery from going into thermal runaway.

There are too many mechanical mods being sold today that don't use a spring of any sort. So those mods NEED a Vape Safe to have any kind of protection besides a safe chemistry battery.

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I agree, and that is why lots of research about capabilities and limitations should be completed prior to purchasing a mod.

 

[macpeace]

Wow great info here, esp. baditude (thanks), and lots to think about. Between my wife and I we have 4 MVP's. We both get 6-8 hours before it gets red on us. I know many people that say they get days. I think it is because we both vape at 5v and never turn the things off between sessions. It sounds like the guy at the local vape shop who told me the batteries take 8-9 hours to charge was wrong. That was one of my biggest problems about it was having to babysit something that long in fear. If I can get good vape life out of them, and easily charge them in the evening in 2-4 hours, than this is starting to sound much more appealing. Thanks guys

 

[Patkid]

I agree with all the previous posters. The MVP uses the same chemistry batteries as do the replaceable rechargeable single cell batteries do. It is no safer, nor more dangerous.

It's good to have a healthy respect for lithium ion batteries. They have a lot of stored energy in them. If not handled or used correctly, they can be dangerous items. Lawnmowers and chainsaws are dangerous, too. Yet many people use those with care safely.

HOWEVER, if you educate yourself about battery chemistry and learn/practice safe battery habits, these batteries are perfectly safe to use in mods. IMR and hybrid batteries are a safe chemistry battery; they are more tolerant to stress than ICR protected battery chemistry. If abused or used inappropriately, they can fail and go thermal runaway. But it will be much less dramatic than an ICR battery.

With the current modern batteries available today, there's really no reason to use protected batteries anymore. The IMR and hybrid batteries are a much safer alternative.

Electronic regulated mods like a Vamo, SVD, ZMax, Provari, and MVP all have electronic protective circuitry which will detect a short and either refuse to fire the atomizer attachment or shut itself down to protect the battery, itself, and you. Mechanical mods have no built-in protection, so you have to depend upon yourself to vape safe, and use a Vape Safe Mod Fuse.

You can carry spare batteries safely in a pocket or purse IF you carry them in plastic battery cases.

Choose a recommended battery charger by Pila, Nitecore, or Xtar. Although these chargers are designed to stop charging a battery when it has reached full charge, it is still recommended to remove them when finished, and to not leave a charging battery unattended. Safe battery practices.

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected?

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries

Mechanical Mod Proper Usage Guide

Can't express how much I appreciate you, Baditude.
Thank you for your kindly help to all of us.
Pat

 

[PapaGeno21]

Wow great info here, esp. baditude (thanks), and lots to think about. Between my wife and I we have 4 MVP's. We both get 6-8 hours before it gets red on us. I know many people that say they get days. I think it is because we both vape at 5v and never turn the things off between sessions. It sounds like the guy at the local vape shop who told me the batteries take 8-9 hours to charge was wrong. That was one of my biggest problems about it was having to babysit something that long in fear. If I can get good vape life out of them, and easily charge them in the evening in 2-4 hours, than this is starting to sound much more appealing. Thanks guys

Mine never gets shut off, only after I recharge it so I can reset the puff counter. It literally lasts me about 3-4 days doing 2ml of juice a day. However I'm only vaping at 6.5-7 watts.

But still thats really weird yours are such battery hogs.