feeling bad about smoking everywhere

Should I?

  • Yes this is gonna be interesting.....

  • NOOOOOO TRAITOR THIS ISSS E CIGG LANND OR FORUMM OR SOMETHING!!!!

  • I Dont Know How You Could Do That To People

  • I Hope You Get Aressted For Such A Crime


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Antebellum

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If you've found a job in Atlanta - a nice, inside job in an air-conditioned expanse where you can vape your head off - wow - go for it! We on the forum are not the type of customers you'll encounter. The people you will meet will be smokers. You are their first stop. Treat them the way you'd want to be treated. Don't feel that selling starter kits is a bad thing.

You will have the all-in-one solution to get them going, and you have the knowledge and experience to answer their questions and give them the best possible launch.

I began vaping because I'd bought a starter kit. I know now that I could have gotten the equivalent in parts (or even kits) for less money. Still, the merchant treated me with respect and courtesy, and did right by me when warranty issues surfaced. I still recommend this company to friends that ask me about vaping.

It's not like, I assume, that SE is total crap. It's also not like you can't say something like, "Well, the specifications say... but my experience is like..." Then that's completely true. You've covered the company claim and then told what you personally have experienced. "The sales material says that a cartridge is the same as a pack of cigarettes. Ha, they must not vape like I do! I think I might get three or four cigarettes worth, but I do smoke like a freight train when I can!"
 

Uncle Bill

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It's not like, I assume, that SE is total crap. It's also not like you can't say something like, "Well, the specifications say... but my experience is like..." Then that's completely true. You've covered the company claim and then told what you personally have experienced. "The sales material says that a cartridge is the same as a pack of cigarettes. Ha, they must not vape like I do! I think I might get three or four cigarettes worth, but I do smoke like a freight train when I can!"

What you say is true. What will turn off some folks who give the PV experience a try is that it's a high-maintenance pastime. You've gotta top off the cartridge from time to time, keep charged batteries on hand, baby the atomizer, and it's difficult to let one dangle from the lips while using both hands to shuffle a deck of cards or play piano. The customer has to really want to get away from tobacco cigarettes for him/her to put up with the rituals. Those that don't have the patience will get frustrated and return the product. I doubt that many will get upset because a cartridge runs dry before they've smoked what they feel is the equivalent of a pack of cigarettes. What's important is that they've been introduced to the concept and given a chance to decide.
 

Antebellum

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At first, I was under the impression that I'd just swap out prefilled cartridges. That, and trading around batteries was what I was expecting.

Undoubtedly, there are some e-smokers out there who are not refilling cartridges, stocking up like crazy, and doing all the planning and plotting we forum denizens do. :)

Serving those folks, and seeing them off to a satisfactory start, is in no way a bad thing. It can be done in a completely honorable way.

Heck. I wish I'd found a kiosk in a mall a few years ago. (But then I lived in Waycross, GA. Any kiosk in the mall was a curiousity.)
 

souporvapor

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My first intro to vaping was a CL classified ad for selling SE products. Imagine my surprise when I got no call back for an interview after telling the kiosk owner I was researching E-Cigs online. At the time of our initial conversation I was not aware of their 'markup' or customer 'service' policies.
SE, at least here in the PNW pays on a strictly comission basis. Period. You sell you bring home money.
Personally, I'd be happy to educate AND point people in a direction that was economically realistic .... based on current prices. AND could sell something like the e-cig - I believe in when the retailer stands behind their product and accurately describes its qualities.
 

Tallgirl1974

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My 2 cents, you dont have to feel like a sell out. I have done some research on SE kiosks and the sellers at a few atl area malls. I have met sellers who were honest- so its not mandatory you lie. I have met sellers that were dumb as rocks and had no idea what they were selling. Some kiosks have juice, others only carts. Some honor warranty, other get out of it any way they can. I can say Stonecrest has the best CS so far, but the most knowledgeable seller was at Mall of Ga. Discover Mills sellers are all ....... Stonecrest will sell just parts and warranty them.
I have noticed their(SE) attys/bats for their mini do not have marks on them, and their coils are so low in the atty they produce less vapor and an SLB marked attys. Id have trouble seller an atty that I know will break (they all do!) and that produces less vapor than most of us want. Word yourself carefully during sales and you should be fine. Make sure where you work they honor the warranty, or you're just going to be yelled at a lot. lol
 

Ryle

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Just my $0.02 but I wouldn't do it.. not because I'd care about ripping off the schmucks that frequent the malls and buy things off kiosks without doing their research on the product first.... but because of the image that SE presents about vaping. ... bad for the cause and all that (wow I suck with words.. sounded much better in my head)
 

Robert

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Got rent? Need food? Do you like e-cig's in general?
yes?
Then take the job, and if they ask you to type anything, I think you should press the [SHIFT] button before you write the word I.

I wish I'd seen a kiosk
I saw an ad at a smoke shop and I'm smarter then most so I came here.

You should revel in the job and tell people why they should switch.

I say this even though I do not like there attitude not about the price but about smoking every where.

Cigerette smokers are addicts, and people dont like the fact that cigs smell and will kill you, but also I don't think non-addicts can understand why someone wants to be an addict. They don't care we are helping ourselves, now with e cigs. So saying we can now be addicts everywhere dosen't sit well with some who never did like smokers.

my .02 grab yer balls and sell those e-cigs
 
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Ehvam

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I, this Saturday, got turned on to e-cigs at the kiosks by SE. Yes, I paid too much. So what? I didn't know about this product, very few people do. And I am grateful simply for the information. Heres the thing, is an introduction to a product that can eventually save my health, lots of money etc worth a few extra bucks? Hell yeah!
I don't regret it one bit.
I'll tell you this, the kid that turned me on to the e-cig gave me five extra packs of carts-for free, gave me a bit of a price break and encouraged me to go online. I didn't get what he was saying at the time, but I did go online and found this forum.
So I think you can get away with telling people "hey if you like the experience, join an online community and get the best experience possible.
I look at my SE experience in the same light as when I used to sell guitars. Some introductory guitars are pure crap. But they get people playing, help them enter the world of music, and ignites the passion. I did my best to make it so, while still selling to pay the rent. People always came back to me when they needed an upgrade.
If you look at any job, there is a ethical price. From the medical business, to office jobs, to service jobs...we all rape the planet, take advantage of third world resources, etc. I wish for a day when we no longer do, but in the meantime everything made and sold has a negative consequence somewhere along the way... sell cars? your depleting a resource and polluting the environment. Are you a bank customer? You just put money in the hands of people who finance the war machine and buy govt influence, sell burgers? Your killing animals....
So take the job, turn people on to the forum, see it as an introductory price of admission to a better future for these people.... and cut them some slack when you can...
Good luck, I hope you find work that rewards you....
 
In this economy, we can't be as choosy as we would like to be. I'd say that if there was a "better" ecig company (please note that my first ecig was an SE RN4085-Gold) that offers mall kiosk jobs, then take that job. As much as I'd love to hit SE (metaphorically) for their inflated prices and claims, they advertise—and advertising costs money which brings their prices up. And they employ people—and people like to be paid to work—which costs money, which brings their prices up. If it wasn't for Smoking Everywhere's mall kiosks and advertising, I would not have discovered ecigs; then again, I could have bought 2-3 ecigs for the what I paid to SE.
My advice is: Take the cash and run.
 

lordmage

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You guys are going at this the wrong way. SE, from what I've heard, sells franchise opportunities - we've got a new SE kisok in one of the malls in Milwaukee .... the lady who runs it said her and her boyfriend had to invest money to put it up.

Ever been in a franchise or independent contractor sales position before? I have. The parent company gives out very little information (usually a slim folder with "this is how we suggest you sell your product" type instructions), charges you for everything, and offers little real-time support. There's usually a non-competition disclaimer (only sell SE products...) but that's it. Ultimately it's up to you, the owner, to make the call as to how you market these products, but when you have ONLY the knowledge the parent company has given you, and you take that as gospel.... can you see where I'm going here??? Disinformation spreads like a virus.

SE's main goal is to turn a profit, and they've done that by selling you the franchise and supplies to run it. Your goal, as the franchise owner, is to sell your products to the customer...a much harder task.

I'm guessing that your SE kisok owner would welcome the education and knowledge you can bring to him....and be willing to pay you for the privilige. Support his products honestly and openly, sell them with integrity. The SE line isn't bad gear...it's the misinformation packaged along with the gear that hurts their reputation.

Now, my mall kisok? I'm going down there today to practice what I'm preaching here: educate, educate, educate!!! - because she's the first visible, public outlet for E-Cigs in my area....and if I can get her more education, then she's going to be able to make a more informed choice on how she markets her products, thus another outlet to sway the public's opinion of our beloved PV's.


i did that for mine in my area and they up and left when they found out i knew more then them.
 

unseenhero66

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Folks, we all gave it a good shot, but we're feeding a troll here. This is the same guy that started the "Does smokers have a low IQ" thread. Honestly, why should we care about what he does?

I believe you need to check your facts before speaking that was bobfranco,also you should read THIS........... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s/23023-personal-attack-rule-thread-10-a.html

I've got an iq of 142 btw and thought it would be a fun documentary for everyone why dont you keep your negativity to yourself take care of possible insecurities and enjoy the forum like the rest of us without having to give your .02 where they arent really needed THANKS!
 

Antebellum

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I believe you need to check your facts before speaking that was bobfranco,also you should read THIS........... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s/23023-personal-attack-rule-thread-10-a.html

I've got an iq of 142 btw and thought it would be a fun documentary for everyone why dont you keep your negativity to yourself take care of possible insecurities and enjoy the forum like the rest of us without having to give your .02 where they arent really needed THANKS!


My apologies. You're right about my misidentifying the thread. Don't know about your IQ (if you so say), but you're certainly a profligate poster. I clicked your name and read back into your many posts. I see that you're young and have recently had an unfortunate accident. I hope that's healing well for you.
 
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