Finding the right Nicotine level

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Zen_Brew

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I just wanted to share my experience, certainly everyones mileage will vary, but perhaps someone just coming into the e-cig world may find this info helpful.

I carefully looked into the different types of -cigs available and settled on the KR808 2 piece design with cartomizer. It was the right pick for me. There is no single type that is best so find what works for you. I was an ultralight smoker, who occaisionally smoked lights, but about 90% ultra lights. Mostly 1 pack a day to 1-1/2 packs on some heavy weekend days.

I originally orderred 18mg carts with my first order thinking I'd start with a middle strenght cart because I did not want the cart to be to weak and not get enough nicotine. I got my first order and carefully took 2-3 second drags with brief inhales and maybe 6-8 hits over an hour.

Within 3 hours I was geeked out of my mind to the point where I knew I could not vape any more. This happened the next day as well. I had to go back to my analogs to get the "smoking fix" for my physical habit. I was going to get some 11mg to step down, but did some reading and found a member with a very similiar experience who ended up with 8mg being their magic number.

So I orderred some 8mg carts and they are darn near perfect. They might even be a tad strong and I am considerring orderring 11mg and 0mg and mixing them for a slightly lower nic dose. Now If you smoked 2 packs a day of full flavor certainly this will not apply to you. You'll never feel the throat hit. The throat hit is much milder for ultralights though. Do not get caught up in the high numbers, especially if you are a guy. It's too easy to feel like you need the heavy nic to keep up with the big dogs and be a guy. Don't feel like you need the 18 or 24mg if that is not the level you were at. There is no sense in raising your nic tolerance if you don't have to. Ultimately it is the habit that has us most hooked. I have been smoking for over 25 years and that is a long habit to break.

If you are coming to e-cigs from a light, and especially an ultra light, make sure you include some of the minimum nicotine level carts in your order so you don't have to go back completely to analog cigs while you reorder like I did. If you can't handle the higher level and it geeks you out and makes you sick, you can't back down on the analogs, period.

Best luck in your fight against the great addiction
 

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Meanwhile, I've been the opposite. I was an ultra lights smoker (1 1/2 - 2 packs/day) and yet it wasn't until I settled in with an 18mg liquid that I felt like I was getting any satisfaction from vaping. I even find that I need a few drops of 24mg added in early in the day.

Having said that, I'm actually planning to order an 11mg liquid soon because even though I'm in no rush to ween off nicotine or stop vaping, I'd like to make sure I'm at the lowest level possible to keep me satisfied. And now that I'm completely over any analog withdrawal, I think I might get by on 11mg or perhaps a combination of 11mg and 18mg.

I wonder if some of these differences in what we all find we need have to do with, not just how we smoked analogs, but how we vape?
 
Interesting. I smoked Basic Lights. I can't be happy unless I'm hitting pretty seriously on some 24mg. And I'd have some 36mg in my hand if I could afford it. All true. It just underscores to me that I am getting far less nicotine from the e-cig than from the real deal. Which is OK by me.
 

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Smoked for 25 years or so, for the last 4 or 5 years, I was smoking hand rolled cigs with no filters...I started out with 24mg and found it was perfect (for me), I was quite surprised by this, I had a feeling that I might need 36mg due to the nature of my old smoking habits...I think 36mg might blow me away if I tried it. :)

Might try scaling down to 18mg next year. But I am happy with how I am going for now.


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Maybe it is in the way you inhale as well. I smoked the lightest nicotine/tar levels I could find. I ordered them from overseas where it has to be on the package. I averaged a carton a week - I mainly smoked on my drive to and from work and if I was drinking. So, some days it might be 4 cigs a day. Other days it would be 1-2 packs a day.

24 mg was the only option available where I bought my first supplies. I don't find it to be too much at all. But then again, I am still doing my same old smoking habits. I haven't had an analog since I got my PV a week ago. I mainly use it on my way to work and back and if I am drinking. I might take a puff or two in the evening, just like occasionally I would have a cig in the evening. I see no point in becoming "addicted" to a new habit when it doesn't bother me not to do it. For me, maybe I need that 24mg so that I just need one or two puffs here and there.

Out of all the flavors that I have tried, menthol has been my favorite. I want something clean and fresh and that matches the slight sweetness of the PG. I do plan on buying some of my own flavor and and some unflavored nicotine mix so that I can create a batch of lower nicotine for the chain vaping at the bar evenings and then to do a gradual stepdown.
 

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I also have a question about eliquid strength. I smoked 1 to 1 1/2 packs of Carlton Menthol's for years. They are the lowest tar & nicotine cig on the market (1mg tar / 0.1 mg nicotine) so 1 1/2 packs per day, or 30 cigs per day, would be 30 X 0.1 mg nic = 3.0 mg of nicotine per day.



Now switching over to vaping eliquid. I assume if an eliquid is 16 mg nicotine, that means there are 16 mg of nicotine in 1 ml of eliquid. If the average vaping consumption per day is somewhere around 3 ml, that means you'd be taking in 48 mg of nicotine per day.



If I wanted to match my new vaping intake of nicotine to my old smoking intake of nicotine, does that mean I should cut the nicotine level of my eliquid down to 1 mg because 1 mg of nicotine X 3 ml of eliquid would give me the same daily amount of nicotine (3 mg) that smoking 1 1/2 packs of Carlton Menthol's gave me? Or am I missing something here in the translation?
 

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I also have a question about eliquid strength. I smoked 1 to 1 1/2 packs of Carlton Menthol's for years. They are the lowest tar & nicotine cig on the market (1mg tar / 0.1 mg nicotine) so 1 1/2 packs per day, or 30 cigs per day, would be 30 X 0.1 mg nic = 3.0 mg of nicotine per day.



Now switching over to vaping eliquid. I assume if an eliquid is 16 mg nicotine, that means there are 16 mg of nicotine in 1 ml of eliquid. If the average vaping consumption per day is somewhere around 3 ml, that means you'd be taking in 48 mg of nicotine per day.



If I wanted to match my new vaping intake of nicotine to my old smoking intake of nicotine, does that mean I should cut the nicotine level of my eliquid down to 1 mg because 1 mg of nicotine X 3 ml of eliquid would give me the same daily amount of nicotine (3 mg) that smoking 1 1/2 packs of Carlton Menthol's gave me? Or am I missing something here in the translation?
The first thing to note is that the average seems to be about 2-3ml per day.
And you never know how much you'll vape until you start.

The second thing is that most information says we absorb about 10% of the nicotine from vaping.
So you might want to assume 2ml and then divide by 10 to get a better guesstimate.
 

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What % of the nicotine did we absorb from smoking?
This is the first thing that I could find...
http://rivm.openrepository.com/rivm/bitstream/10029/7087/1/willems.pdf

Within a few seconds about 90% of the nicotine is absorbed in the upper and lower airways (Armitage and Turner, 1970, Henningfield et al., 2004, Henningfield and Benowitz, 2004, Henningfield et al., 1993, Henningfield, 1995, Johnson, 1997), the rest is swallowed and time-delayed absorbed via the intestinal route [ID (Reininghaus, 1994)].
 
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