First batch of DIY liquid is Milky ? Right area to post ?

[Ryanlanane]

if this isn't the right area to post, I apologize. I looked for a beginner mixer section but didn't see one.

I ordered a starter kit from Liquid Barn. I followed the worksheet they supplied to a T ... Going for 80/20 VG/PG

After taking the mixing it in a beaker, only 15 ml total ... It was almost the color of, chalky water.

This makes no sense to me. The VG is clear with almost a oil and water look as we all know. The PG is clear without any oily bubbles in it. The flavoring is entirely clear.

I don't remember looking at it pre mix to see if it had a milky look to it or. To, but I stirred it up with the provided stirrer for five minutes, electric stirrer.

It is definitely not clear. As I stated it is more of a whitish colored liquid.

I am trying the hot water steep method. It have never seen juice look like this before.

Has this happened to anyone else ? Any idea what I may have done wrong ?

 

[Ryanlanane]

Thought this might help ... Making 15 ml bottle

8% flavor VG Based
4 mg nicotine ... 48 mg/ml nicotine concentrate, again VG based

Wanted 80/20

I used 1.2 ml VG flavoring
1.8 ml VG nicotine

3 ml pure PG
9 ml pure VG

Adding up to 15 ml

 

[Izan]

Hi ,

A "frother" will mix air into the liquid solution, often making it opaque.

Welcome
I

 

[Ryanlanane]

Hi ,

A "frother" will mix air into the liquid solution, often making it opaque.

Welcome
I

That is probably my exact problem. The frothier is exactly what I used. how long does it take to clear up typically ? And off topic, how long should I steep after the hot water method before vaping ? I usually just use hot water method 4-5 times over 5-6 hours on juice I order online.

 

[NightShadow]

This is going to be very hard to answer for anyone here, due to the fact we have no clue what flavor/brand/color the flavorings used are, nor the nicotine base.

Mixing PG and VG should result in a clear fluid.

Some Nicotine bases while clear, can result in a cloudy solution when mixed with pg and or vg.

You can test this yourself by simply mixing a little of just 2 of them, ie pg and nic, or vg and nic, if those are clear, then add in the missing one. If still clear, the cause is the flavoring.

Many eliquids sold and used are NOT clear. There is nothing wrong with using a cloudy liquid, that is just how some come out due to the chemical properties of the ingredients involved.

I myself use an 80/20 mix of VG/PG and just add some menthol crystals for flavor. If I add too many crystals my liquid looks milky as well. This is more due to them melting better in PG than in VG, and me not caring to mix the crystals in pg first, letting them sit for a day to let them dissolve before adding in the VG.

Another thing you will probably run into while doing DIY is having a fresh juice look light colored, but then it darkens after a few days. This is referred to as "steeping" and is also normal, and even desirable to some.

As long as you like the flavor, and your mix is giving you a suitable dose of nicotine, I wouldn't be concerned at the color.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Air bubbles from the frother. You have frothed juice. Let it sit and it will clear up.

 

[NightShadow]

Air bubbles from the frother. You have frothed juice. Let it sit and it will clear up.

I considered this possibility, but thought it would look more cloudy than milky if this were the only culprit. My menthol crystal blend is looking like a frozen margarita at the moment.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Ahh the menthol crystals might do something strange if frothed. I dunno since I hate menthol.
A menthol meringue juice?
Frothers will make meringue.

 

[NightShadow]

That is probably my exact problem. The frothier is exactly what I used. how long does it take to clear up typically ? And off topic, how long should I steep after the hot water method before vaping ? I usually just use hot water method 4-5 times over 5-6 hours on juice I order online.

The answer depends on how you like it, and since taste is subjective you will need to figure this out for yourself. Some juice is fine freshly squeezed (mixed) while others may be better for you after steeping for a few days to a month. Only your taste buds can tell you, so happy experimenting and keep notes (this makes it SCIENCE!) not to mention it makes remembering how to make that one batch you love again easy

As to how long it will take all the air bubbles to rise to the surface and pop, that has far too many variables to say with any degree of certainty. Thickness of the liquid, narrowness of the container etc. If you aerated if vigorously with an electric whisk I imagine you have rather a LOT of air in it now, a day or more might be required at a guess.

 

[Izan]

That is probably my exact problem. The frothier is exactly what I used. how long does it take to clear up typically ? And off topic, how long should I steep after the hot water method before vaping ? I usually just use hot water method 4-5 times over 5-6 hours on juice I order online.

Steep time, even with the Hot water help, will vary depending on the flavours used.
If it tastes good...vape it!
I record everything using this: eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator
My most useful steep method is:
Make, shake, forget about it for 2 weeks to a month. (Sharpie labels for the win)

cheers
I

 

[suprtrkr]

I sometimes get cloudy solution from the nic. I mix VG-Nic-PG--flavors in that order, stirring between ingredients, and it usually doesn't happen any more. It's not a problem if it does, as far as I can tell. It vapes just fine.

 

[evan le'garde]

After i've made some juice up i shake it about 300 times and it's done. It becomes kind of opaque for about an hour, hour and a half, until the tiny bubbles disappear.

If your liquid is actually milky then though i'd say it has emulsified. Not many are familiar with this happening to their D.I.Y juice but it can happen and it does turn milky. You could be using ingredients which are all clear but still turn milky when combined. I'm not sure which brand of flavouring is responsible but it usually occurs when mixed with VG only.

All i know is that i tried to order a particular custom made cinnamon from a vendor and he emailed back and told me he couldn't do it for me because VG and cinnamon together with no other ingredients would emulsify. I don't know what brand of flavouring he was using. I do know he would add other ingredients such as PG to prevent the emulsification. So at the end of the day the only thing i learned was that the emulsification was due to the flavouring. Ordinarily this doesn't happen to consumers. So the flavouring he was using was probably something that isn't available to consumers because i've never come across anything that would do that. I just thought it was odd. And i've never made a D.I.Y juice which has emulsified when finished.

 

[herb]

if this isn't the right area to post, I apologize. I looked for a beginner mixer section but didn't see one.

I ordered a starter kit from Liquid Barn. I followed the worksheet they supplied to a T ... Going for 80/20 VG/PG

After taking the mixing it in a beaker, only 15 ml total ... It was almost the color of, chalky water.

This makes no sense to me. The VG is clear with almost a oil and water look as we all know. The PG is clear without any oily bubbles in it. The flavoring is entirely clear.

I don't remember looking at it pre mix to see if it had a milky look to it or. To, but I stirred it up with the provided stirrer for five minutes, electric stirrer.

It is definitely not clear. As I stated it is more of a whitish colored liquid.

I am trying the hot water steep method. It have never seen juice look like this before.

Has this happened to anyone else ? Any idea what I may have done wrong ?

It is ALWAYS like that after mixing , if it's not you didn't mix well . The Nicotine quality has proved to me that it is a huge factor on how fast the mix clears .

When i mixed ECX and MFS nicotine my mixes took forever to clear up , with Vaporstek much much faster but it's never instantly .

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Teh MFS nic only goes cloudy if you froth it?
I always use MFS nic and never cloudy. But I don't have a little frothy thingy.

 

[dc99]

I use there flavorings and love them. A little more concentrated than most. Everything I have used from them is ready in a few days so. I would think if you were doing the warm water bath maybe a day or two.

 

[Caridwen]

Steep time, even with the Hot water help, will vary depending on the flavours used.
If it tastes good...vape it!
I record everything using this: eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator
My most useful steep method is:
Make, shake, forget about it for 2 weeks to a month. (Sharpie labels for the win)

cheers
I

That's what I do. Mix it, shake it several times, throw in a drawer for a week then vape.

 

[dhood]

I watched a video that Busardo had with Jeremy with Good Life Vapor. Part of the video showed them using a mixer to mix up the flavorings, PG, and VG by the liter. When they were done, it did look like a margarita freshly mixed by your neighborhood bartender. Letting it sit for a while will probably allow it to clear. Using the frother will push a LOT of air into the mixture.