First day... unsatisfied... buyer's remorse.. :*(

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bcurtis208

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Hi I recently purchased the Joye 510 via Cignot.com and maybe had my hopes up - who knows? But the experience I've been having wasn't quite what I had expected...

Concerns:

  1. It's way too harsh
  2. Can't get a good hit/drag - without inhaling I get good vape but when I do there's hardly any outgoing (plus the above concern 1.)
  3. Flavors don't switch quite well when I switch from one cartridge to the next.
Attempted Solutions:

  1. Direct dipping onto atomizer
  2. Running atomizer through hot water (blow clean method) - maybe get Coca Cola later.
  3. Puff > Puff > Puff all day to try and get the bad taste and harshness out.
Am I missing something - because I expected to be able to take a hit/drag and inhale the vapor without any harshness and get a flavorful experience?

The items I purchased are listed below:

Note: I'm used to smoking Camel Wides (Regular Full Flavors - Filtered) analog cigarettes but going to places to smoke hookah etc I enjoy fruity flavors. It came with Marlboro flavor but that doesn't taste too good either... I don't know what to do! :*( I don't want to go back to Analogs.
 

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The harshness is something everyone went through I think. Here's one thing to consider - PG, it's hard on your throat and for that reason some like to use PG/VG mixes and some (like me) prefer pure VG juices. One thing I will say is that the harshness will subside. The first week or two will be difficult but it will pass. You don't have the anesthetic type chemicals in vaping that you do in real cigs. I went from smoking a lot of rollies a day to vaping and found it very tough on my throat.

I had a 510 for my first e-cig as well and I had your problems to the letter. I will give you a little advice that I hope will help!

The 510 is a small unit and will heat very quickly. Remember to give the atomizer time to cool. Use it too many times too soon and it's painfully hot!

I found the 510 is extremely temprimental to drip with. I will put 3 drops in a clean atomizer and it will simply disappear. I find I need 4 - 6 drops on an entirely clean atomizer and give it time to filter away and then another drop or two. For something so small I honestly wonder where it all goes. My advice to you is not to blow the atomizer out if it creates little vapour. It is simply flooded. Tap some liquid out of the top and vape off any excess (unless it is truly satturated then you will need to blow it out). Once there is liquid "inside" the atomizer it will be easier to just use one or two drops per vape. First fill up on a 510 is always the hardest to get right. Too harsh or too wet. Once you have the balance, just two drops and you'll be golden.

If there is too little liquid around the heating coil then it's just a blast of very hot air with a little vapour and it's very painful! I'd say overfill it slightly first and keep vaping until there is decent vapour then just top it off. It should be a cooler experience.

Consider a new inhalation technique - instead of breathing straight into your lungs, take the vapour into your mouth first and then inhale. It will give the vapour time to cool and should help you especially in the beginning. Direct inhaling still kills my lungs and throat. I'm so used to vaping into my mouth then inhaling I don't even think about it.

Still on inhaltion, try not to drag as hard as you would on a real cigarette. You should have a lighter draw for longer. The atomizer needs time to create vapour.

For the vapour issue, straight PG has the least amount of vapour from it. PG/VG mix or straight VG will produce more "smoke". I was skeptical about this at first but I tried VG and sometimes I think it's too much to use VG in public because it is a lot more vapour. Some PG liquids will also not make much, it's simply the blend of the juice. Some of my PG juices are comparable to VG and some will just never make a lot which I love for public use at times.

For flavours, your taste buds will start working again in time. I started on tobacco flavours and left my "other" flavours to one side for a while then tried them 3 weeks in and then I could really taste it.

One thing most people will not say because they did it differently - I actually did not remove anything from my 510 to drip with. I found it holds the liquid better with the wick still there. You may want to consider a "tank" style 510 atomizer. It's less hassle. I can't speak for the 510 tank's performance but I got an ego tank and it's been a godsend compared to the 510. The flavour is a little muted but for the convenience of not having to fill for so long is amazing. I also still drip with my 510s when I am at home.

I really hope you stick with trying vaping. It is a bit of a learning curve at the beginning but I can tell you it will only get better. All the best and good luck!
 
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Alright, I'll take a crack at this so you get a faster answer. (Note, I've only been at this a short while and can only spout back what works for me, and what I've read here and on other forums.)

You've got some fun flavors there, but the vapor is too diffuse and the harshness concerns you, right?

I see that you got PG liquids. Propylene Glycol is a flavor delivery agent that is used in e-liquids to deliver more flavor and more throat hit. It does what you describe to me personally... makes vapor waaaaaay to harsh.

Your nicotine levels are also fairly high, increasing your throat hit and harshness.

PG liquids do not produce gobs of vapor. We use vegetable glycerine for that effect.. also serves to make the vapor a bit sweeter. Yum!

My suggestion? Go to the drug store and get some food grade vegetable glycerine (USP) and cut your liquid down a bit. I had to do this with my first e-liquids because I didn't quite get the difference. Now this does diffuse the flavor significantly. Just try a VERY small batch...a few drops each.
Finding your comfort level is all trial by error. Keep at it, you'll get it!

if you have luck with this, order your juices with reduced PG, or check out avejuice.com for VG all VG juices.... just stay away from my gorilla juice!

Also, blow out your atty between flavor switches and reprime your atty with the new flavor.
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not to dismiss leftfeild's well thought out advice, i suggest you at least try a cartomizer...

Boge seems to be the favorite or Ikenvape is good too.
They are cheap, and refillable, yet priced to be disposable.

I would get them empty so you fill them yourself... more pg than vg is advisable (vg can clog it faster), but if you want the best flavor and the best vapor, i'd suggest around 60/40 or 50/50.

Main thing is for you to get the right resistance for your pv... you should get a few of each; LR and Regular (1.5 Ohm to 2.5 Ohm or so...)
 

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@leftfeild

Thanks for the head up in regards to PG/VG Juice I had no clue and honestly at first glance figured the "throat hit" was something I'd be looking towards achieving which is why I went more towards my choice of purchasing the 510 with PG products.

I've definitely noticed the difference in inhalation technique - at first wanted that quick inhale but resulted in getting a gag and a stomach ache but your suggestion works to the best I can with what I have to work with.

@Ember
I'm definitely going to try and get some lower dosages for nicotine.

I don't know about getting something to mix with locally kind of get way confused with that but will plan to get priority shipping on some VG for sure.

Unforuntately the gorilla juice might be on backorder availability on that site! :*( do you have any suggestions on something mild that would be flavorful but not harsh? Coffee etc sounds good to me.
 

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I forgot to say about changing flavours. It seems to me that no matter what I clean the 510 with some flavour will stay on the wick. All I do is blow it out, clean it with hot water then blow it out again then put in the new flavour. I'll vape off the old flavour. You'll find as you vape more the old flavour will be less present until it's eventually gone. It shouldn't take long at all. It's just one of those things I've not found a solution for. Try to cycle complimenting flavours if you can so you don't have something like tobacco flavour in your caramel or plumb in your cappuccino.

not to dismiss leftfeild's well thought out advice, i suggest you at least try a cartomizer...
A great idea! I always forget there are more options out there. I heard cartos are better on flavour than tanks but I've yet to use a carto so I can't comment.
 

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I forgot to say about changing flavours. It seems to me that no matter what I clean the 510 with some flavour will stay on the wick. All I do is blow it out, clean it with hot water then blow it out again then put in the new flavour. I'll vape off the old flavour. You'll find as you vape more the old flavour will be less present until it's eventually gone. It shouldn't take long at all. It's just one of those things I've not found a solution for. Try to cycle complimenting flavours if you can so you don't have something like tobacco flavour in your caramel or plumb in your cappuccino.
But you can find some pretty amazing flavor combos that way. Mmmm Caramel Dr Pepper!
 

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I can't stand the harshness of straight PG juices either, however I inhale them. There's also some that are just going to be harsh even with a significant percent of VG, often cinnamon flavors for example (least in my experience).

Yep, it takes a while to get the hang of dripping. I had to ask some of the nice folks here to patiently walk me through it step by step. Turns out you can't just like... drip some juice and then vape it. Drip a few drops, let it sit to saturate into the atty. Like 5-10 minutes. Then drip a bit more. I suspect you never quite got past the burnt atty stage there- I know for at least two days of intermittent trying I never managed more than either flooded or dry burn, haha.

If you need to clean an atty some rubbing alcohol is easier- dries much faster than water. If you've got it handy. Coke sounds likely to clog it...? Can't say I've tried that though!

Could also just be you didn't like the juices you've got. It happens. First thing I did, I ordered a whole bunch of small size bottles from one vendor only to discover I detested *all* their flavors. Every one.

KickBassVapor.com has some very smooth, non-harsh juice, with the higher VG ratio they sell (I think it's 60% VG, 40% PG) and it creates great huge puffy clouds of pillowy vapor... I don't love some of the flavors I got from them but I'm finding myself vaping them anyway because of how smooth they feel. (I use a lower nic content than most here, though- 6 mg up to the occasional 12mg. But KBV's juices seemed just as nice at the higher nic amount too, to me.) I honestly don't think it's *only* the VG that makes the soft/smooth feel to their juices- I've tried 100% VG juices that felt much harsher. I've liked their vanilla particularly and WTF has grown on me; I don't have any recs for their tobacco juices tho as I usually avoid them.
 

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Apocalypse*Meow
Thanks for the suggestion they have a wide selection!

I was looking at Johnson Creek but I'm not sure what to expect with 100% VG e-juices in terms of clogging things. I'm trying to find a sample pack on that website you provided - I also am wondering what sizes cartomizers hold I'm sure I'll find something listed wherever I buy one.
 

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a fresh carto takes 20-30 drops or so. Just order a few small sizes of liquids from different vendors.
lots of reviews in here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-liquid-reviews/

The higher viscosity of 100% VG juices tend to kill cartos quickly. You'll probably need a thinner mix around 50%vg 50% PG or so. I don't care if my cartos die and just go ahead and use the all VG juice. It works for long enough in my case. ::shrug:: Lots of the vendors now have options in what mixtures of VG or PG to order.
 
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When looking for juices I found reading and watching the reviews members have done on the juices help alot. You'll find people agree that some places have great juice others ok juice. No matter what juice is a personal preference and takes trial and error. Sample packs are a great way to try diffrent flavors and not get stuck with a huge bottle you hate. I'm also a big carto fan.
 

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I think most cartomizer users got into them because they are so darn easy... a good thing.
and Too much VG can clog the filler in carto's...

don't give up on dripping, and count any and all experience as an important part of your learning curve. Some stay with carto's but imo there is nothing like the perfectly dripped vape...it took me good long while to learn all the ins and outs. (voltage/watts/pg/vg/resistance/ohms/... and i still don't know amps...lol.

Actually it's about the voltage and matching with atty resistance and then how much (not) to drip in there.

Juice... is a whole other book. depends on what flavors turn YOU on... you'll find that theres a whole group of vapers who love a certain juice or flavor, and then a whole other group that hates it. get small samples (buy samples from the classifieds here too to save $).


@ukeman
You've actually got me quite excited! I didn't even know of cartomizers - these sound like an excellent solution to attempt and am thinking 50/50 if possible would be what I'm looking towards getting.

All:
If you have any suggestions for e-juices I'm happy to hear about them (VG someway included) xD
 

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oh how i remember my first time vaping a couple months back. harsh as hell but you get used to it :D my friends who have tried my eGo (heavy smokers like I was) was blown away at the fact that it was harsher than anything they smoked haha! but keep at it, you wont regret it! I'm actually looking to try some 70/30 pg/vg mix with my next order which will be from freedomsmokeusa.com :)


I found the 510 is extremely temprimental to drip with. I will put 3 drops in a clean atomizer and it will simply disappear. I find I need 4 - 6 drops on an entirely clean atomizer and give it time to filter away and then another drop or two. For something so small I honestly wonder where it all goes.

It's exactly the same with the eGo! I was tripping out at how many i had to put in after when dripping and thought the same! i'm assuming the eGo is the same as a regular 510 but has a longer casing?
 

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I 2nd Kick Bass Vapors for some really outstanding flavors. If you want to try some tobacco, their Special K tobacco is very good, mild with a slight sweet tobacco taste (IMO, seems like all flavors taste different to different people). Their RY4 is new for them, but I tried it when it first came out and was very pleased with it. A little sweet with a carmel taste and a sharper tobacco taste, all around good. When Alien Visions has their Boba's Bounty again, it is one of my every day flavors, tobacco with who knows what, I've heard everything from Graham Cracker to Lemon. I don't taste any lemon, but I love it! Again it is very smooth tobacco with a slightly sweet flavor. Gorilla Juice is good, not one of my favs, but I keep it for a change of pace. Alien Visions juices (all that I've tried at least) give a very nice vapor plume, which I love. The vapor is much more important to me than the throat hit, you may find different, we all have our likes and dislikes. If you want to try Cartos, you might look at Crystal Clear Vaping (crystalvaping.corecommerce.com), he has had a special on his 510s-15 regular or LR with a drip tip for $20, and he guaranties your carto purchase (see the thread in the E-cig suppliers forum) I have had very satisfactory service from CCV. I use the LRs and they measure at exactly 2ohm. Another thing to think about, is the equipment, you may want to try a bigger battery, it will give you longer life and I think a more satisfactory vape. An ego battery will go with all the 510 equipment. Best to you, we all went thru a trial and error period to find what works for us.
 
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It's way too harsh
What is? primer on the atty? Prefills of 100% PG Chinese juice? Other 100% PG juice.
Answer: get the primer off the atty and buy better juices w/ some VG in them from real juice companies. And don't vape nicotine that is too high for you - what cigs did you smoke? Only use high/24 if you smoked full strength and even then some people prefer 16-18 medium

Can't get a good hit/drag - without inhaling I get good vape but when I do there's hardly any outgoing (plus the above concern
Answer: Don't use prefilled carts, buy decent juices w/ a bit of VG in them for more vapor. You can try blue foam stuffing in the cart (get precut pieces for 510 at strictlyejuice.com). You can also try Boge standard resistance cartomizers. Outgoing vapor is from VG in a juice. You have none. try some juices with 20-30% VG and try a 50/50 juice. Etc

Flavors don't switch quite well when I switch from one cartridge to the next.
Answer: No they don't if you use an atomizer. Blowing out and repriming the atomizer with 2-3 drops of the new juice helps. Buy Boge standard resistance cartomizers gets rid of the problem

And did you buy manual batteries? I hope so. You can press the button in 1-2 seconds before you start your drag so there is already vapor made, Then start dragging slowly into your mouth and 1 second or so before the end of your drag you can let up on the button, finish your drag, inhale. If you bought autos the need a primer puff - short drag to warm the atty then your real drag and drag slow.

And just fyi - If you are a drag hard big hot hit cigarette smoker then it is unlikely any slim ecig will satisfy you. Start looking at fat battery models that can use hotter LR stuff, mods etc.
 
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Flavors don't switch quite well when I switch from one cartridge to the next.
Answer: No they don't if you use an atomizer. Bowing out and repriming the atomizer helps. Buy Boge standard resistance cartomizers gets rid of the problem

I'm agree. The atomizer is the thing of the past. It's a 3-pieces vs 2-pieces. What's easier to use and tune-up? Cartomizers are much simpler, convenient and reliable.
 

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The atomizer is the thing of the past. It's a 3-pieces vs 2-pieces. What's easier to use and tune-up? Cartomizers are much simpler, convenient and reliable.

I strongly disagree. Some of us despise the taste of a cartomizer. While I will grant you a cartomizer is easier to plug into a battery and go, the flavor for some of us is harsh and makes any juice unvapable.

I spent over $300 trying to make cartomizers work for me. Didn't matter how full I filled them or what vendor's juice I used, those dang cartomizers just tasted like junk. I went to a 3 piece (battery +atomizer + plus cartridge) and the funky taste was gone.

So, for many, many vapers, a cartomizer is a good thing. But there's a fair amount of us who use a 3 piece system because the flavor is so much better.

The flavor and nicotine strength of juice has an obvious effect on flavor, but the equipment a person uses to vape with matters just as much.

I had the same problem as the OP when I started vaping. I switched to 70/30 PG/VG mixed juices (from 100% PG juices) and from a cartomizer based e cig to a Riva510 lite bundle from Liberty-Flights.com. This resolved all of the hot boxing, nasty flavor, throat burning, unsatisfied issues. My total bill for the system I've been using for the last 6 months was about $45.

I have been smoke free for 8 months. I do not see myself every going back to cigarettes. I wish it didn't take a little bit of fiddling to figure out what works from person to person, but it does. Just remember, finding your sweet spot with vaping is certainly less expensive than chemo treatments for lung cancer. Keep researching, keep trying. This vaping thing really does work.
 
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