First Dripper - Huge Clouds, No Flavor - What am I doing wrong?

[drenkel]

Hey guys, been lurking and learning for months, first post. Hope someone can help me out with this new build.

6 wrap of .8 ribbon kanthal
Dual Coil
.6 Ohms
AW IMR 18650 2000mah
Trident rda
H100 Mech
AVE Dreamberries 100% VG juice

Clouds are huge, and amazingly smooth. Nothing is burning, and no hotspots are visible. The issue is there is little to no flavor at all. I use this same juice in my provari / z-atty setup and it's very flavorful. Can you take a look at my build, and the pics and see if you can figure out what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks!
-D

 

[drenkel]

Trying to post pics again, they were small in the last post.

 

[mrmomita]

I use organic cotton for the wick. You can't dry burn with it but i think you can taste the flavor better. However, even when i used silca wick i could taste the flavor. I've never had AVE Dreamberries 100% VG Juice, nor have I vaped pure vg juice, so I don't know if that has anything to do with your issue.

 

[dzabu11]

Try to use smaller air holes.

 

[AttyPops]

Lower the voltage (oh, wait...mech) OK, up the ohms. Too high of heat kills flavor. Also check air flow....but you're getting lots of vapor..so...

1.2 ohm coils at a fresh charge are 14.7 watts per coil. Depending on the wire that may be too hot. spacing the coils may help if you have room.

You're pulling 29.4 watts total for that .6 ohm net build on a fresh charge.

 

[Ardent]

^ What he said. High temperatures kills the flavor. I would get ohms up to 1.8 to 2.0 range.

 

[KrisAinTX]

.6 ohms is lower than you should be going with that 2000mAh IMR... .8 or above is the safe zone for that battery.

 

[Jazzi Mike]

It looks like you are using a lot of cotton. Maybe try lessening it a bit. I only use a bit of cotton for my coils.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

It looks like you are using a lot of cotton. Maybe try lessening it a bit. I only use a bit of cotton for my coils.

what Jazzi said, I been swapping out coils and configurations constantly and ive noticed less is more
when it comes to wick, if I put loads of cotton and juice in I won't get the proper taste till a few hit's
before the wick dry's out, so now on my trident I only use one coil at about 1.2ohms, I raise the coil
aswell so that its to below the top of the posts and inbetween the posts and air hole if that makes
sense, and then I only put enough cotton in so that it hangs down from the coil either side and sits
a little on the deck

 

[drenkel]

Quick update... used less cotton, and built 1 ohm micro coils with regular kanthal and its hitting great now. Thanks for the suggestions guys!

 

[AttyPops]

So you're saying it's the ribbon wire that messed you up?

(The amount of cotton ...if too much...chokes off the vape....you wouldn't have gotten good vaper before.)

 

[ViSioNx]

I am still fairly new to all this but I would dare to say the higher ohm, coils helped the most. I have read many places that to high heat kills flavors of some juices.

 

[AttyPops]

Yeah, it does.

What I don't know about (and I'm trying to figure out for future reference) is that...flat wire...and the expected wattage/heat.

In this case he swapped out two 1.2 ohm coils for what he said are now 1.0 ohm coils but also changed the wire at the same time to round wire. And also used less cotton.

Although too-much cotton is common, it usually results in burnt/dry hits and not the "great clouds" he said he was getting. So there's there must be something I'm missing. The less cotton thing doesn't sound like it would give him great flavor all of a sudden...just better wicking....which was OK/satisfactory before.

I think the flatter wire put more heat on the wick per mm. He also had the flat-wraps pretty close.
But I'm guessing here.
Want to know for future.

 

[ViSioNx]

Yeah, it does.

What I don't know about (and I'm trying to figure out for future reference) is that...flat wire...and the expected wattage/heat.

In this case he swapped out two 1.2 ohm coils for what he said are now 1.0 ohm coils but also changed the wire at the same time to round wire. And also used less cotton.

Although too-much cotton is common, it usually results in burnt/dry hits and not the "great clouds" he said he was getting. So there's there must be something I'm missing. The less cotton thing doesn't sound like it would give him great flavor all of a sudden...just better wicking....which was OK/satisfactory before.

I think the flatter wire put more heat on the wick per mm. He also had the flat-wraps pretty close.
But I'm guessing here.
Want to know for future.

I am sorry. I was not meaning to undermine your question by any means.

I do agree that flat wire and close coils would (logicaly) produce more heat then round wire. Now you have me wondering the same... I was thinking of getting flat kanthal on my next order but until this question is answered I will just wait...

 

[AttyPops]

Hey, we're cool. You didn't undermine at all. I was just explaining. Guess I'm bored.

 

[ViSioNx]

Well.. Probably a bit of the same here... Also dont want to start off on the wrong foot with any members here

 

[AttyPops]

You're doing well.

Me on the other hand.....
I have my days. lol.

 

[Jimi D.]

Here's a flavor monster. I use silica on all my builds.

 

[ViSioNx]

View attachment 277338 Here's a flavor monster. I use silica on all my builds.

What gauge kanthal and silica is that ?

 

[Jimi D.]

What gauge kanthal and silica is that ?

.9 ribbon with two strands of 3 mm.