First e-cig experience: not so good

[Homer]

What is the 510?

The 510 is a model, it is sold under several different names by different sites.

e-smokeytreats sells it as the joye 510
Totally wicked sells it as the Titan
Eastmall.net sells it as simply the 510

You can go to the video review section and look for a review by Terraphon titled (Joye-510 from E-SmokeyTreats) and get an excellent look at the product in action.

This is a fantastic e-cig, I have the 510-Titan and love it!

 

[kathyst]

I'm sorry, mikea, that your first impression was not good. I'm just so happy that my first impression surpassed my expectations. I have the Joye 510. I had done a lot of research, and felt like I knew how to do everything, with the charging and filling. Mine came with five empty cartridges. I agree that pre-filled cartridges would be more convenient, but it really is better filling your own, even though a bit of a hassle.

So, I hope you can work out the problems and enjoy your e-cigs!

kathy

 

[shivadance]

I'm with you on this one mikea. I kept telling everyone the first couple days that they tasted "chemically." I always hated the taste of regular cigs but was unprepared for the nasty taste of the e-cig. M-bro does not taste like Marlboro! Switching to menthol cartridges really helped kill the nasty taste until it burned off. Then I switched to flavored cartridges. Then it took a couple days to get all the menthol flavor out of the atomizer.

Then at that point... I could taste the flavor and my tastebuds started coming back after years and years of smoking... then love for the vape.

 

[Lainey]

I got my super mini e-cig about three weeks ago. I'm not off analogs yet but hope to be eventually. For thirty years I've been a heavy smoker, smoking 2 1/2-3 packs a day. I'm now down to half a pack a day. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. I'm in awe of everyone who was able to quit tobacco as soon as they started vaping. Just didn't happen for me. I'm taking one day at a time but I'm confident that I'll get there soon.

I loved the taste of the e-cig from the beginning. I buy the prefilled carts because this is convenient for me. By convenient, I mean that a local tobacco store, only 15 minutes away from me, is where I buy all of my stuff. The prefilled carts are all that they carry. I now have 5 chargers, 1 car charger, 10 batteries, and an abundant supply of carts on hand. Maybe I'll eventually get into the liquids but, for now, I'm very satisfied with the prefilled carts. I mostly smoke the Marlboro (24) and, to me, it actually tastes much better than the Marlboro analogs ever tasted. Occasionally, I'll smoke the menthol, vanilla and cherry and love the taste of those also.

 

[mikea]

What a great forum this is. Tons of useful info. As before: thanks to everyone who's been replying.

I realize now that yeah, it's undoubtedly the primer that was making this an unpleasant experience. With the primer now gone from the first cartridges I started using, the flavor is definitely better. I am a bit ticked off at the vendor for failing to explain this in their "documentation" -- it'd be a benefit to the user and would be worth their adding as an "errata" even if the manufacturer doesn't say this in the manual.

And kudos to everyone who advised that the likely LED color change on the charger is red=uncharged/green=charged. That's the opposite of what it says in the manual for the esmoke.net product I bought -- and that document is flat-out incorrect. I thought at first that the batteries must be charged up because I had one of them in the charger and the LED was red -- so, per the manual, it must already be charged. So I used it. Now I have the thing back on the charger and after a couple of hours, it did turn green.

So I have probably screwed up my battery by using it before charging it enough. I'm going to have to get a bit aggressive with the vendor about this -- they're sending out flat-out-inaccurate documentation (and of course some of this is user stupidity. I should have known better -- should have just put the damn' batteries into the charger and left them there). If I've messed up the battery, it's partly their manual's screw-up and partly my screw-up. Might become an unfortunately expensive way to learn a lesson...

 

[mikea]

Ok, so the next order of business: the vendor I bought from (again, it's esmoke.net) doesn't have much variety in their cartridge flavors. Gotta do something about that...

The more I read in this forum and elsewhere on the web the more I realize that these vendors in the USA or other countries are repackaging a relatively few number of models built in China, and probably few or none are proprietary to any particular vendor. So I'm guessing it's possible to use other brands of self-contained cartridges (atomizer+flavor cart in a single unit) with this device (which eSmoke calls the "Sensation Micro").

How do I go about finding out who else's atomizer+flavor-cart products can be used successfully in this product? What kind of data about, say, the battery is needed to figure this out?

I realize now after looking at a bunch more web sites that eSmoke's prices for the cartridges are higher than I see elsewhere -- a lot higher than some others. I don't know if that's just their policy or if it's because other, less expensive cartridges don't have the atomizers built in. Obviously I wouldn't want to get one that doesn't have an atomizer...

Thanks in advance (again) for further advice.

 

[mikea]

Lainey -- I'm jealous that you have a good supply of the carts near you. I doubt there's anything like that in my area (I'll try to find out, though). I'd love to glom onto an extra battery. The vendor I bought from doesn't sell extra batteries for this 'micro' model, which kind of sucks.

I was also a 3-pack-a-day smoker for quite a while and managed to cut down to 1 pack a day when I stopped smoking indoors entirely a few years ago. I used to chain-smoke while working at the computer. Considering that a smoke particle is the size of a boulder from the point of view of a floppy disk drive's read/write head -- yeah, it was back in those days (when dinosaurs roamed the earth -- I'm surprised my smoke-coated drive worked at all. Anyway, I can sure relate to wanting to be free of the damnable tobacco habit. I won't say a lot about this because it's surely off-topic but just briefly: while you're not yet free of the tobacco, consider using a very effective filter product called the Tar Gard. It's by a company named Venturi and you can buy their filters on their web site or on Amazon.com, for about $20 per hundred. If you get the clear plastic versions you'll be simultaneously grossed out and grateful to see how much gooey tar the filter pulls out of the smoke, leaving the stuff trapped inside the filter. You can also get the filters in non-clear plastic if you want to skip the being-grossed-out part. Until I'm tobacco-free I will go on using these filters religiously. Pulling out as much tar as they clearly do, they've got to be helping at least a little...

Ok, let's hope we both kick this tobacco "thing" soon!

(Moderators! Flog me if you must, but please, not to death! I am not affiliated in any way with Venturi or Amazon!)

 

[mikea]

unprepared for the nasty taste of the e-cig

Meaning the primer flavor. Ok, now I'm having this fantasy about a useful tool -- some kind of suction device that ain't the human mouth that can be used for primer-removing puffs on a new flavor-cart+atomizer (or just a new atomizer) and only afterward do you smoke the thing. ... sorry, vape the thing.

IOW: some way of getting rid of that really gross primer flavor without ever having to get the stuff in your mouth, throat, sinuses. Hmm. Wonder if there could be a new and creative use for a turkey-baster. Or possibly a very tiny toiler-plunger. Any grins aside -- that terrible flavor remained in my system for hours and hours. It was kind of alarming. I might invent the gizmo myself out of sheer self-defense...

 

[Lainey]

Mikea, thanks for the info, I've never heard of the Tar Gard but it sure sounds like an amazing product. Hopefully, though, I'll be off analogs altogether soon and won't have to worry about the tar, carcinogens, and all of the other poisons that I've been putting into my body for so long.

I've always chain smoked at my computer too and, believe me, I spend a lot of time sitting here at the computer. My office chair now has a permanent imprint of my behind. But now I'm chain vaping instead of chain smoking.

Did I just say chain vaping??? Hmmmm......the phrase has an odd sound to it. I'll have to mull that one over a bit, lol.

 

[mikea]

>> Hopefully, though, I'll be off analogs altogether soon

Same here, I hope.

 

[shivadance]

...filter product called the Tar Gard.

I too used this, for about 3 or 4 years. I hated the smell of it tho, and being in a non-smoking household meant I had to keep the thing in a small tupperware container so it didn't stink up the house.

Now that I think about it, the taste of primer on an atty is nothing compared to the tasted of used cig tar hitting your tongue from one of those guards! Now that was gross!

 

[mikea]

So far the used filters haven't reeked too badly. But I don't use them as long as they claim the things can be used. 3-4 smokes and I toss them out.

That e-cigarette primer taste was grim. (Wonder how many "pre-vaping" puffs it'll take, with a new cartridge, to get rid of it.) But worse: when the first cartridge I used 'spat' backwards and I got a shot of the juice straight into the mouth. Must have done something wrong with the device -- not sure what. Was a bit of an unhappy camper for a while afterward. Fortunately, I didn't get much of it...but it doesn't take much for that burning sensation to start. I'll definitely try not to make that mistake again.

I too used this, for about 3 or 4 years. I hated the smell of it tho, and being in a non-smoking household meant I had to keep the thing in a small tupperware container so it didn't stink up the house.

Now that I think about it, the taste of primer on an atty is nothing compared to the tasted of used cig tar hitting your tongue from one of those guards! Now that was gross!

 

[wegster]

What is the 510?


I don't know if it's a proprietary unit of some kind of something available from several vendors under various names. IAC it's the 'micro' product sold at esmoke.net. It's the "E Smoke Sensation Micro". (I'd post a complete URL but haven't posted enough messages in the forum yet to have that access here.)


I don't know if I can get access to that... it looks as if the cartridge is sealed up somehow.

It's a shorty two piece e-cig, 85mm long, cartomizer...maybe an e8?
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Usually similar cartomizer units run ~$55 or so for a kit...not there, though :-/

Not positive offhand if you can use carts from a 'vapor king'/KR808D-1, etc, or not, but you could at least drip a few drops through the battery end of any liquid of choice to see if it improves the flavor..

The comments on primer taste shouldn't apply to two piece units, but not positive on what that model is just yet, it's possible there's a few hits worth of nastiness first.

question - does it taste 'burnt', or just bad?

 

[let_there_be_vaping]

But worse: when the first cartridge I used 'spat' backwards and I got a shot of the juice straight into the mouth. Must have done something wrong with the device -- not sure what.

I don't think you did anything wrong to get e-juice in your mouth. It was probably due to the low charge on the battery. I've read that that can happen with a low battery.

Best Wishes

 

[timh]

I don't think you did anything wrong to get e-juice in your mouth. It was probably due to the low charge on the battery. I've read that that can happen with a low battery.

Best Wishes

I have found out that when the battery starts getting low ,you have a better chance of getting juice in your mouth

 

[WorldPax]

Don't worry too much about ruining your batteries by using them before they were charged. Now that you're charging them properly, they should be fine, no harm done.

 

[mikea]

It's a shorty two piece e-cig, 85mm long, cartomizer...maybe an e8?

Yes, that's the one. Last night, poking around on the forum, I found a video review of the eSmoke Sensation Micro and the reviewer showed both that one and the E9. The E9's the older sibling.

> Usually similar cartomizer units run ~$55 or so for a kit...not there, though :-/

No kidding. Ok, I was too new at it all -- I imprinted on the silly web site and bought there. I'm trying to forgive myself. (The manufacturer's web site in China kind of puts a lot of U.S. e-cig web sites to shame in terms of the information they provide there.) (Not to mention a more reasonable price.)

> Not positive offhand if you can use carts from a 'vapor king'/KR808D-1, etc, or not, but you could at least drip a few drops through the battery end of any liquid of choice to see if it improves the flavor..

Part II of that video review (also here) shows the reviewer adding more juice -- so I was wrong when I assumed before that the cartridge is sealed. I would think there's a limit to how many times it can be done, but I was grateful to see that it can be done. Looks as if it needs to be done pretty carefully.

> The comments on primer taste shouldn't apply to two piece units, but not positive on what that model is just yet, it's possible there's a few hits worth of nastiness first.

Believe me, there were absolutely a few hits of nastiness in all those atomizer+flavor cartridges I used, so far. According to another of the views I watched (link provided on this site), the primer is something that's applied to atomizers. And the E8/E9 and similar products have the atomizers built in to the carts. Wonder what that primer stuff does, anyway...

> question - does it taste 'burnt', or just bad?

I've been trying to think how to describe that taste. It had a strange acrid flavor with a long-lasting aftertaste -- kept "coming up" every now and then over the next day (uh, not in some projectile fashion, mind you . Weird. It did have a 'burnt' quality to it -- but it's very difficult to put into words. I've never tasted anything like it before. Hoping I don't taste it again (thus my silly fantasy about a "Primer-B-Gone" product).

 

[mikea]

I don't think you did anything wrong to get e-juice in your mouth. It was probably due to the low charge on the battery. I've read that that can happen with a low battery.

Replying also to TimH's reply -- yeah, I bet that's what it was. Too low a charge at that moment. I didn't know to take a 'priming' puff, either, to heat the atomizer a bit.

 

[mikea]

Don't worry too much about ruining your batteries by using them before they were charged. Now that you're charging them properly, they should be fine, no harm done.

Hope they are. I found a source for more of them from the mfg's site -- no replacement batteries for the 'micro' at the vendor where I bought it -- so at least I know now that I can get some spares...

 

[abudman]

Here is the thread on pictures of common models.