Flavor Ban - Call To Action

[scratchtheweasel]

NYC has proposed a flavor ban. I am proposing a NuTter carpet bombing whether you live in NYC or not. Please take a moment to follow the below link to sign your name and express your concern. CASAA makes this really easy - just fill out the form and submit the prepared response if you feel it's appropriate. Alternately take a few extra minutes to share your personal message. This is 5 minutes very well spent.

Send a Message

Other Resources:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/611368-nyc-flavor-ban.html
http://blog.casaa.org/2014/10/call-to-action-new-york-city-is.html
http://legistar.council.nyc.gov/Leg...4AD-9D40-877C31EBF9D7&Options=ID|Text|&Search

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

Done! Personally if they ban any e-juice flavors they MUST ban all flavored alcohol as well. Tit for tat...

 

[xpl0it]

We all know children don't chew gum and certainly don't like flavors like Fruit Chill, Cinnamon Surge, White Mint, Mint, etc. (Nicorette Gum).
http://www.nicorette.com/nicorette-gum/

They also don't like to suck on hard candies in flavors such as Cherry and Mint (Nicorette Lozenges).
http://www.nicorette.com/nicorette-lozenge/

Someone needs to start handing them out out schools and then we'll see how the FDA tries and spins their own BS.

**DISCLAIMER**

I am under no circumstances suggesting that anyone actually go out and do this. It was meant as satire.

 

[cuse4ever]

done. this kind of crap really makes my azz itch. when TPTB start targeting flavored alcohol and beer like they have targeted tobacco/eliquid, then they will have a leg to stand on with me. until then, they can kindly eff off.

 

[ckquatt]

Done. And I let em have it!! Im so sick of this crap... it makes me sick!

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[Jingles]

Done! I would like to ask those councilmen if they personally know any children that are vaping? I would also challenge them to spend an hour reading the General e-liquid part of this forum. I have never seen anyone say oh this flavor is good because the kids will like it. The discussions read more like food or wine connoisseurs where the nuances of different flavors are being discussed-not something children generally engage in. These councilmen are idiots!

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

Done. And I let em have it!! Im so sick of this crap... it makes me sick!

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(remembers to never get on ck's bad side... )

GO CK!!! GO JINGLES!!!

 

[ckquatt]

(remembers to never get on ck's bad side... )

GO CK!!! GO JINGLES!!!

LOL!! Lets just say this last line was the the sanest part of my rant!! There was stuff about vodka and NRTs, government money, yucky tobacco flavors only and stuff, but I was getting madder and madder as I typed. Plus I like being a &#^*!!

"... You preached for years for us to quit smoking... we did, and now you want to take even that away from us... Thanks! I hope your proud of yourself!..."

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[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

LOL!! Lets just say this last line was the the sanest part of my rant!! There was stuff about vodka and NRTs and stuff, but I was getting madder and madder as I typed. Plus I like being a &#^*!!

"... You preached for years for us to quit smoking... we did, and now you want to take even that away from us... Thanks! I hope your proud of yourself!..."

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OOOoooo....I like!!

As I said in one of my many FDA comments, "So if you want someone to quit drinking you give them alcoholic tasting beverages, right? That's what you are doing with the proposed guidelines for e-liquids making them ONLY tobacco or menthol flavored. 'You want to quit smoking? GREAT! Here is something that will remind you of smoking without any of your addiction's learned pleasures! Good luck staying off cigarettes!'" .....hats...

 

[ckquatt]

OOOoooo....I like!!

As I said in one of my many FDA comments, "So if you want someone to quit drinking you give them alcoholic tasting beverages, right? That's what you are doing with the proposed guidelines for e-liquids making them ONLY tobacco or menthol flavored. 'You want to quit smoking? GREAT! Here is something that will remind you of smoking without any of your addiction's learned pleasures! Good luck staying off cigarettes!'" .....hats...

I like it!! Spoken a thousand times better than mine!

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[PersimmonNJ]

Done.

"The "rationale" for the Councilman's ordinance is flawed, to say the least. Vaping products are not in any way marketed to children or teens. The notion that flavors other than tobacco or menthol exist to lure children is as absurd as suggesting flavored vodka or schnapps or other flavored liquors are intended for children. Nicorette gum comes in flavors...is there some great fear that product is marketed to children? Purposely increasing obstacles to get people OFF of cigarettes is amoral and, in light of NY State's anti-smoking ad campaign, hypocritical. Vaping has been the only successful means for myself and so many thousands of others to quit smoking. See, we paid attention to that ad campaign and found a way to quit and now you want to take that away and force us back to smoking. Patches and gum did not work. Vaping did."

 

[psychdoc]

Another brilliant shot at government over reaching and intruding into personal liberties. I'm not a right winger or any type of lunatic but for heavens sake, limiting flavors. How about the big gulp thing NYC was proposing. Hey, Chicago banned people owning guns and all the shooting stopped, right???

 

[Sloth Tonight]

screw em put in my form leave us alone im nys close to home screw off NY i hate you and i love you

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[scratchtheweasel]

The die hard anti-smoking crowd doesn't care about current generations or the ones that immediately follow. They believe completely that sufficient social pressure and regulation applied over several generations will eventually stub out nicotine addiction entirely. And they might be right. If you create enough of a stigma and disincentive to use tobacco/nicotine products over a long enough time scale the usage rates would probably reach statistically insignificant levels. As long as the rates keep falling their strategy is working regardless of how many people die from smoking related issues while this plays out.

Vaping is clearly a thorn in their side. It has people leaving traditional cigarettes, but not abstaining from nicotine. If vaping was taken out of the context of pleasurable long-term use, and put squarely into a context of a short term smoking cessation treatment option we would get a lot less backlash. They don't like that this is a long term option - it puts the strategy at risk. Put simply they won't risk their children's children growing up in a completely anti-tobacco/anti-nicotine world to save adults who are using this to quit today. They would far rather stamp out this vaping thing completely.

You are never going to convince people with this mentality that vaping is a good thing. It doesn't matter how many people quit or how many lives it saves. The only thing we can do is stand with a loud and unified voice and let them know it won't be taken sitting down. Not everyone is like this, so I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't educate people when they are clearly misinformed. I'm just pointing out (venting) that the people that push for this legislation are not likely to be swayed. They simply have their own agenda and are willing to let you die in order to stick to it.

Apologies in advance if this strikes you as morbid or depressing. I guess I just needed to get it out. I firmly believe we just need to work together to create enough push back against these bozos. Whether you are a fan of gun rights or not we could all take a page from the NRA playbook here. There are always going to be those folks with ideological aversions to what you care about, and there's no amount of common sense, statistics, or rational arguments that will talk them down off their pulpit. The only functional response is letting them know they aren't going to get what they want without a drag down knockout fight.

 

[gopher_byrd]

I submitted mine as well. The precedent this would create could be devastating to the rest of us. Freaking nanny state politicians... spit...

 

[Pictor]

Apologies in advance if this strikes you as morbid or depressing.

Not at all - makes me angry that these blinkered people will quite literally throw the baby out with the bathwater, especially for the people who are currently still smoking but would perhaps like to stop, and those taking their first steps into finding a way to do so that actually works.
People like Clark & Katy don't just produce a product that makes cash (like tobacco companies do), they developed it because they cared about quality and the people using these liquids. They don't just make it and leave it there relying on advertising & hype for sales, they see it though from start to finish and beyond.

Those of us who are happily using this brilliant way of not smoking cigarettes and all the dreadful things in them, would perhaps find a huge percentage go back to them if this was taken away or greatly restricted.
I know myself only too well, and do suspect quite strongly that I would go back to cigarettes after a tormented struggle, and feel wretched that for the first time in almost 50 years, I managed to stop smoking only to quite literally have it snatched out of my hand.
The naysayers would close their eyes to such happenings though, and sit back in smug self satisfaction, never giving a second thought to the thousands (at least) whose lives they just succeeded in placing in peril!

Does it matter not a jot that highly respected health professionals and bodies have done the research and published those results, stating how they found that e-cigs could save millions of lives, and that they are in no way as dangerous as cigarettes/tobacco.

No-one says that the whole thing is without any risk or potential dangers - it's too new. But, as time goes by and more people are using them, thus enabling further R&D, the quality of liquid and equipment is improving. I've seen it advance rapidly just in the 8 months I've been using them.

 

[PersimmonNJ]

The die hard anti-smoking crowd doesn't care about current generations or the ones that immediately follow. They believe completely that sufficient social pressure and regulation applied over several generations will eventually stub out nicotine addiction entirely. And they might be right. If you create enough of a stigma and disincentive to use tobacco/nicotine products over a long enough time scale the usage rates would probably reach statistically insignificant levels. As long as the rates keep falling their strategy is working regardless of how many people die from smoking related issues while this plays out.

Vaping is clearly a thorn in their side. It has people leaving traditional cigarettes, but not abstaining from nicotine. If vaping was taken out of the context of pleasurable long-term use, and put squarely into a context of a short term smoking cessation treatment option we would get a lot less backlash. They don't like that this is a long term option - it puts the strategy at risk. Put simply they won't risk their children's children growing up in a completely anti-tobacco/anti-nicotine world to save adults who are using this to quit today. They would far rather stamp out this vaping thing completely.

You are never going to convince people with this mentality that vaping is a good thing. It doesn't matter how many people quit or how many lives it saves. The only thing we can do is stand with a loud and unified voice and let them know it won't be taken sitting down. Not everyone is like this, so I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't educate people when they are clearly misinformed. I'm just pointing out (venting) that the people that push for this legislation are not likely to be swayed. They simply have their own agenda and are willing to let you die in order to stick to it.

Apologies in advance if this strikes you as morbid or depressing. I guess I just needed to get it out. I firmly believe we just need to work together to create enough push back against these bozos. Whether you are a fan of gun rights or not we could all take a page from the NRA playbook here. There are always going to be those folks with ideological aversions to what you care about, and there's no amount of common sense, statistics, or rational arguments that will talk them down off their pulpit. The only functional response is letting them know they aren't going to get what they want without a drag down knockout fight.

In terms of NYC, my bets are loss of tax revenue more than anything else. At the point where I quit analogs a year and a half ago, a pack in NYC was $13. Considering what...probably $10 of that price was tax? Just my quitting, a pack-a-day type, that's tax revenue loss of $3650/year from just ONE person.

 

[Soignee]

+1 on done.

It's really important to have everyone participate in this particular political fight. The larger the group of individuals, the greater the pressure on the political machine. There are simply not enough vapers for only some of us to participate!

Social Media is the single best way to spread information among targeted groups of people. I believe individuals need to be reminded to USE their Social Media tools. So list your Twitter or FB account if you would like and I will follow you and spread information...grass roots. I have a Twitter and FB that I use only for Vaping (well and food and music). I had never used SM before vaping and I am beginning to understand the potential!

I for one would hate to see the products that I use to adjust my nicotine addiction treated as controlled substances. I've had enough of black market bs (my younger years ).

Thanks to everyone for supporting.
I'll step off the soap box now...


Wouldn't hurt to influence PAC's etc...as well.

 

[freeatlast!]

Done! Sadly, I believe scratchtheweasel has nit the nail on the head, though.

 

[built4feel]

Done...

... agreed that its all about the taxes...


When PA had the CTA for the budget a few months ago.. (which came out of nowhere BTW...), I got a reply back from one of the senators... here's what he had to say for anyone interested:

[FONT="]Thank you for your email expressing opposition to a tax on e-cigarettes and smokeless tobacco. Fortunately, this was not part of the final budget negotiations. While I would have had my own reservations about voting to support such a tax, I appreciated your input on the issue. [/FONT]
[FONT="]With the way the budget was balanced, I foresee significant challenges next year, so should the same proposal arise, do not hesitate to follow-up. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me.[/FONT]
Sincerely,

Senator Scott Wagner
28^th District, York County

So yea, take from that what you will... but I feel like he basically doesn't care what I said... I'm probably the only one in my county who did the call to action... I don't use social media, but I too, see how it could be useful for things that need urgent and gigantic attention from as many of us as possible...
I don't know to many other vapors, but I have spread the message through word of mouth to a few good ones... one of which is now signed up to CASSA... and I spoke to some B&M owners/employees... some of which haven't responded... but keep spreaking the work folks! I take this CTA as an early warning sign.


Well to clarify, I know tax is inevitable, but its better to be opposed, right?