Flavor Molecules from Perfumer's Apprentace (TFA)?

[Borednl]

So I am a bit new to DIY, but I found something very intriguing over at TPA (Perfumer's Apprentice). There are flavor molecules which require mere parts per million to add flavor (so one bottle would pretty much last forever). I did a search for a few on these on the forum and on google but only found a few scattered posts. Nobody seems to know much about them. Many of the molecules seem to be for perfumes, but many are also for flavors.

The concentrated flavors we use must be put together somehow. I thought it might be possible to make some really interesting and unique flavors using these flavor molecules, but there are so many and the lack of information anywhere makes the prospect quite daunting.

So, my question is, has anyone experimented with or know how to use these flavor molecules?

I've compiled a complete list of all the flavor molecules below (taken from here). I excluded all perfume/cologne only molecules.

Edit: As I find information about each of these, I'll add useful links. Some may be toxic at high amounts but not in low amounts (take nicotine for example). I'll review nicotine first to set an example.

Nicotine - Irritant of the lungs and eyes Also see here

Disclaimer: I make no claim to the safety of any of these flavor molecules. Some of these do appear to be in e-cig vendor's e-juice, but if you decide to try them, you do so at your own risk

Acetanisole - Does not seem to be a lung irritant
Excerpt: Acetanisole is reportedly found in anise seed, cranberry, black coke berry, grape, heated beef and sherry [Fenaroli 1995; CoE, 2000]
Sweet Anise Vanilla Powdery

Acetate C9 ( Nonyl Acetate) - Chemical Structure and Uses (Not much information out there)
Powerful fruity floral, adds freshness and diffusion

Acetophenone ( phenyl methyl ketone ) - Lots info, including what it's used in, such as gum and cherry drinks (not sure if an irritant)
sweet pungent hawthorn mimosa almond

Alcohol C-10** (Decyl Alcohol also known as decanol) - Irritant of the lungs and eyes Also see here and here
Sweet, slightly fatty, oily, waxy floral odor

Aldehyde C-10 (decanal) - Irritant of the lungs and eyes
Powerful sweet waxy orange peel like odor.

Aldehyde C-11 Enic same as undecylenic
waxy rose fatty mandarin

Aldehyde C-12 Lauric
Fresh sweet waxy herbaceous clean floral odor.

Aldehyde C-12 MNA
Powerful and diffusive dry ambre like.

Aldehyde C-14 PEACH
Powerful Peach note
Fatty, coconut, creamy, vanilla, nutty, macadamia and peach

Aldehyde C-16 STRAWBERRY (Ethyl methylphenylglycidate also known as strawberry aldehyde) - Safe for eating in long-term studies - Does not seem like a lung irritant if short-term exposure at high levels (needs long-term confirmation though)
Strawberry, sweet fruity candy like.

Aldehyde C-18 COCONUT - Does not seem to cause lung irritation (up to 140 PPM)
Creamy coconut, fruity in dilution.
Coconut, creamy, waxy with fatty milky notes

Aldehyde C-8**
Soft woody green mildly floral odor.

Aldehyde C-9 (nonyl aldehyde )
Diffusive fatty floral waxy odor.

Amyl vinyl carbinol a.k.a 1-octen-3-ol (Sig)
earthy mushroom green oily vegetable fungal
also known as matsutake alcohol,named for the very popular Japanese mushroom. this is used as a modifier in agrestic-aromatic accords like lavender-fougere.

Anisic Aldehyde
Anise note
sweet powdery mimosa floral

Anisyl acetate
sweet,fruity,vanilla,plum,cherry,coumarin,powdery balsam

Benzophenone (crystals)
Powdery geranium rose like

Benzyl acetate
Powerful thin sweet fresh fruity floral of jasmin gardenia muguet

Benzyl Alcohol
Faint, nondescript odor, rather sweet, varies

Benzyl benzoate
Faintly sweet balsamic

Benzyl Cinnamate
Faintly sweet balsamic, with floral background.

Benzyl Propionate
Fruity sweet, soft

Benzyl Salicylate
Very faint sweet floral/jasmine note

Bicyclononalactone (I)
Almond, vanilla, coumarin, hay coconut note. more stable than coumarin, with good Tonka characteristics

Butyl Butyro Lactate
buttery creamy milk dairy cheese

Cinnamic alcohol
rose type Cinnamic note

Cinnamic Aldehyde
sweet spice cinnamon

Cinnamyl Acetate
Spicy
sweet floral spicy balsam cinnamon

Citronellal**
Powerful fresh green citrusy, slight woody odor/musky rose

Citronellol
sweet,rose,leather,musty,floral

Citronellyl acetate
Fresh, rosy, fruity odor reminiscent of geranium oil

Citronellyl Formate (I)
Fruity, Floral, Rose
Has a light rosy note with a suggestion of citrus. A fresh, green, rose, fruity, pear note.

Damascone Beta
fruity floral blackcurrant plum rose honey tobacco

Delta Damascone
Fruity, Floral, Woody

Dihydro Ionone Beta (G)
Woody, Floral, Orris, Slightly Ambery, Fruity

Dimethyl benzyl carbinol**
Warm herbaceous floral reminiscent lilac, elderflowers

Dimethyl Benzyl Carbinyl Butyrate (I)
Fruity, Plum, Sweet
Fruitier and much more longer lasting than the corresponding acetate.

Dimethyl Octanol
Waxy dry rosy odor

Dimethyl Sulfide at 1% (Sig)
sulfury onion sweet corn vegetable cabbage tomato green wild radish
this is a rather unpleasant component, can be used for certain fruity accords

Ethyl Caproate**
sweet fruity pineapple waxy green banana

Ethyl Cinnamate
sweet, balsamic, plum, touch of cinnamon and honey

Ethyl Heptanoate a.k.a Ethyl Heptoate a.k.a Oenanthic Ether**
Diffusive fruity wine brandy and berry like odor - fruity pineapple cognac rum wine, adds juicyness

Ethyl Laurate
Fatty flower petal like odor.

Ethyl Maltol crystals
sugar caramel cotton candy

Ethyl Maltol Liquid (10% PG)
sugar caramel cotton candy

Ethyl Methyl-2-Butyrate (I)
Fruity, Green, Apple peel, Pineapple skin
has a very diffusive fruity effect that serves as a modifier in floral accords or in combination with fruity esters.

Ethyl Propionate**
sweet fruity rum juicy fruit grape pineapple

Ethyl Salicylate
minty, sweet wintergreen minty

Ethyl vanillin
strong vanilla, adds body, works well with coumarin

Eucalyptol**
eucalyptus herbal camphor
Has a refreshing, bracing effect.

Eugenol
sweet spicy clove woody

Eugenyl Acetate
Odor:fresh sweet woody clove floral carnation malt spice
sweet clove like, balsamic, fruity

Gamma-decalactone
Oily peach odor

Gamma-octalactone
sweet,creamy,dairy,fatty,oily,coconut

Geranyl Acetate
floral rose lavender green waxy

Guaiacol**
phenolic smoke spice

Hedione (methyl dihydrojasmonate)
floral oily jasmin green lactonic

Hexenol-3-Cis
foliage green fresh oily cut grass

Hexenyl cis-3 Acetate
fresh green sweet fruity apple pear melon banana

Hexyl Acetate (I)**
Fruity, Green, Pear

Ionone alpha (Ionone Alpha White Coeur) (I)
orris note - classic violet/Berry, sweet ionone like with a woody floral powdery note

Ionone beta
more woody, orris note/Sweet, woody berry powdery, floral and fruity

Iso Eugenol
Clove, sweet, woody, spicy

Isoamyl Isovalerate FCC (single isomer)**
fruity, apple

Isoamyl Propionate**
fruity, sweet banana pineapple ripe tropical fruit

Isoamyl salicylate
a soft orchid,can use a lot as base/Sweet, balsamic

Isobornyl acetate**
Mild piney balsamic camphoraceous of pine, spruce needles

Isobutavan
Vanilla, Sweet, Fruity

Isobutyl Salicylate
sweet, spice, cooling, with a wintergreen nuance
useful in many types of soft floral and herbal fragrances

Limetol (G)**
Fresh, Camphoraceous, Woody, Cineole-Lime-like
Used where a lemon-woody note is desired. Also gives a pine needle and lime nuance

Limonene D**
citrus orange fresh sweet
Used in citrus fragrances to give lift and freshness. Combines very well with any other citrus notes.

Linalool
a good general builder - floral - appears in all types of compositions from floral to citrus

Linalool Oxide
floral woody earthy green

Linalyl acetate**
Sweet floral fruity odor, bergamot, pear

Maltol (Crystals)
Powerful, warm, fruity,caramel sweet oder, fruity in dilution

Mandarine Aldehyde 10 (F)
Powerful complex odor of bitter orange, mandarin and coriander.

Manzanate**
Fruity, Apple, Pineapple
a fruity apple character with aspects of cider and sweet pineapple.

Methyl Anthranilate Extra FCC
Musty, fruity and dry floral odor reminiscent of concord grapes
Extensively used in many types of floral blends such as neroli and orange blossom, as well as in exotic compositions, gardenia, tuberose and jasmine, Methyl Anthranilate imparts warmth, volume and sweetness and is used in all types of perfumery.

Methyl Benzoate**
Heavy sweet deep floral odor reminiscent of tropical flowers.

Methyl Cyclo Pentenolone
soluble in alcohol, propylene glycol
CaramelIic, maple, sweet, burnt, coffee, bready nuances

Methyl Hexyl Ketone**
earthy weedy woody herbal

Methyl Phenyl Acetate
Floral, honey, spice, waxy and sweet

Methyl Salicylate
Sweet, wintergreen, aromatic

Neryl acetate
Very Sweet fruity, floral odor of raspberry rose

Oranger Crystals (beta-naphthyl methyl ketone)
sweet neroli orange blossom. used in orange blossom blends, care must be taken as this component can be irritating when over-used.

Para Cymene**
Terpy and rancid with slightly woody oxidized citrus notes. It has spice nuances of green pepper and oregano

Para-cresyl acetate
narcissus phenolic animal - evaluate at 1% dilution

Para-cresyl methyl ether**
naphthyl phenolic camphor mint powdery nutty

Phenethyl acetate a.k.a Phenyl Ethyl Acetate
Very sweet, rosy fruity honey like odor

Phenethyl Alcohol (Phenyl Ethyl Alcohol)
rose note, very lasting/mild and warm rose honey

Phenethyl Propionate
Very warm herbaceous rosy deep fruity.

Phenoxy Ethyl Iso Butyrate (I)
Fruity, floral, rose.
fruity, rose note with a honey aspect. Very tenacious.

Phenyl Acetaldehyde Dimethyl Acetal (PADMA) - Viridine**
rosy floralizer

Phenyl Propyl Alcohol a.k.a hydrocinnamyl alcohol
sweet, mignonette-hyacinth balsamic

Raspberry ketone ( raspberry crystals )
Very sweet fruity warm odor of raspberry preserves

Rhodinol 70
floral red rose spicy waxy powdery geranium

Rose Oxide (racemic)
green dark rose spicy fresh geranium

Styralyl acetate
Powerful and penetrating green floral in dilution

Terpineol Alpha**
Delicate floral and sweet of lilac type

Tetrahydro linalool**
floral lily bois de rose woody lilac tea oily

Trimethyl Pyrazine 10% (PG)
nutty musty earthy powdery cocoa roasted peanut

Vanillin Crystals
Intensely sweet and very tenacious creamy vanilla odor

 

[eikon]

these molecules were intended for perfume and cologne, hence the name "TPA" (interesting to note that the 'tobacco' molecules are a mainstay of men's fragrances). When mixed and diluted the 'molecules' can replicate the flavors of foods and be used in culinary applications. When I called TPA they told me that the concentrated flavorings are about (ball park, aprox, general guide, maybe, average) 10% 'molecules' to 90% carrier (like PG or ALC).

If you want to order some molecules and play 'Mad Scientist', I say GO FOR IT!!!! I've had the same thought. After all, my favorite gum, Juicy Fruit, was the result of this kind of playing around...

As an aside, if you look at the nomenclature, "Woody, Floral, Orris, Slightly Ambery, Fruity" this is the language that perfumists use to communicate with each other, not dissimilar to the language that wine snobs use, the vaping community could greatly benefit from such a nomenclature, unfortunately, I do not see that happening, as every ego that came up with a term would demand constant credit for said term....

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never take one person's advice as gospel when it comes to vaping (see below) anavidvan brings up points that I did not think about (thanks anavidvan). If you can get someone at TPA/TFA to tell you what molecules are vape safe (they are great people and probably would compile a list) THEN go for it....
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[anavidfan]

If you take a real good look on the site, it states that the items in the Perfumers supplies are NOT meant for inhalation use. Many of these are harmful and not meant to be consumed internally. Someone else posted a week ago and had some really bad effects. We looked up many of those and if you do a search they do state many deadly to adverse affects. Please use only the supplies on the The Flavours Apprentice part of the site.

Even some of the Flavours in the Flavour section have an asterisk and states those are flammable. Electricity heats up the coil and you dont want a flammable ingredient on there.

I dont want to come off as a PITA, but if you harm yourself and the media finds out we could all loose our privilege to vape.

DOnt hate me, Im looking out for all of us.

 

[anavidfan]

Here is one of the statements you find on the Perfumers section regarding the oils/ essences regarding use
Safety

It is important to realize that both aromachemicals and natural essential oils and absolutes can possibly be irritating to the skin and toxic to certain degrees, and they should all be treated with care and respect. Gloves and protective eyewear should be worn, and great care taken to keep the work area clean. Disposal of components should be made in accordance with local regulations, as just flushing them down the drain could lead to pollution of water systems.

Another warning.
" ^ VARIOUS INGREDIENTS
The Naturals section of our store contains essential oils
and absolutes, now including a selection of fine products
from John Steele of Lifetree Aromatics.

Our Beginner's Palette section was made for the aspiring
designer, featuring blends of aroma molecules and natural
essential oils. These mixtures, called fragrance oils, are
pre-diluted, making them easy to use and recognize.

The Master's Blends are concentrated, professional blends
offered by Givaudan, Firmenich, and International Flavors &
Fragrance (IFF). They are undiluted unless otherwise indicated.

The Master's Aromachemicals are single molecules- the ingredients
of professional perfumery. These components provide a fine sense
of nuance and control within a blend, and are more consistent across
batches than natural oils, which can vary in scent from harvest to harvest.

^ INHALATION SAFETY
Inhalation of flavor chemical blends by use of electronic cigarettes
is a popular and more chemically pure alternative to traditional
tobacco smoking. However, please note that this use of our products
is a relatively new practice, and has not been safety-tested by any
official organizations.

The flavor chemical Diacetyl, which has been shown to be dangerous to inhale,
is NOT an ingredient in any of our products. For more information,
please see Perfumer's Apprentice

 

[Renolizzie]

The Flavor Apprentice is the area you want to get your vaping flavors from!

 

[MF DOOM]

Just looking at those names...their chemical makeups...
They just scream "DO NOT INGEST!"

 

[Faylool]

Now I know why some of my flavors impart that waxy taste. Great information. I'm assuming this list is all the flavors. Perfumers and Flavorist

 

[Kemosabe]

waxy, fatty, and fungal are not words id like to be describing my vape YMMV

 

[Borednl]

waxy, fatty, and fungal are not words id like to be describing my vape YMMV

Haha, I just compiled a complete list of all of the molecules which could be used in flavoring without any bias. There is a pizza flavor e-juice out there that I hear is quite good btw.

Now I know why some of my flavors impart that waxy taste. Great information. I'm assuming this list is all the flavors. Perfumers and Flavorist

No, these are only the molecules which could be used in flavor. I excluded the ones which were for perfume/cologne only. Also, I think it bears noting that in my googling of some of these flavor molecules, I noticed that popular vendors of e-juice use some of them in their mixes. Guaiacol is an example which is used in many e-juices to add smokey flavor.

Just looking at those names...their chemical makeups...
They just scream "DO NOT INGEST!"

Even water is a chemical. Every flavor we taste is a chemical. If I were to break down a grapefruit to the molecular structure of it's flavor, it would look exactly like this list. (Edit: The distinctive grapefruit flavor comes from a chemical called "thioterpineol") Many artificial flavors are similar to or are the exact molecule we taste in food. Isoamyl acetate, otherwise known as "banana oil" can be made synthetically or is found naturally in.. you guessed it, bananas. It's likely the flavor we taste in juicy fruit gum.

The part of this I find to be intriguing is that if one were to use the broken down molecular structure of flavor, they could create something entirely new. Imagine tasting a berry that doesn't exist.

Here is one of the statements you find on the Perfumers section regarding the oils/ essences regarding use
Safety

It is important to realize that both aromachemicals and natural essential oils and absolutes can possibly be irritating to the skin and toxic to certain degrees, and they should all be treated with care and respect. Gloves and protective eyewear should be worn, and great care taken to keep the work area clean. Disposal of components should be made in accordance with local regulations, as just flushing them down the drain could lead to pollution of water systems.

Another warning.
" ^ VARIOUS INGREDIENTS
The Naturals section of our store contains essential oils
and absolutes, now including a selection of fine products
from John Steele of Lifetree Aromatics.

Our Beginner's Palette section was made for the aspiring
designer, featuring blends of aroma molecules and natural
essential oils. These mixtures, called fragrance oils, are
pre-diluted, making them easy to use and recognize.

The Master's Blends are concentrated, professional blends
offered by Givaudan, Firmenich, and International Flavors &
Fragrance (IFF). They are undiluted unless otherwise indicated.

The Master's Aromachemicals are single molecules- the ingredients
of professional perfumery. These components provide a fine sense
of nuance and control within a blend, and are more consistent across
batches than natural oils, which can vary in scent from harvest to harvest.

^ INHALATION SAFETY
Inhalation of flavor chemical blends by use of electronic cigarettes
is a popular and more chemically pure alternative to traditional
tobacco smoking. However, please note that this use of our products
is a relatively new practice, and has not been safety-tested by any
official organizations.

The flavor chemical Diacetyl, which has been shown to be dangerous to inhale,
is NOT an ingredient in any of our products. For more information,
please see Perfumer's Apprentice

I found your response to be very helpful. I find it very ironic that they refer to these molecules as a more chemically pure alternative to tobacco smoking. Though it is true using these flavor molecules would not include the tar of smoke, when googling random molecules, the place I found these flavor molecules to exist the most were in the long ingredient lists of cigarettes, lol. I imagine cigarette companies use them to add flavor to their tobaccos. I'm not saying they are dangerous though just because cigarette companies use them. More research is necessary.

If you take a real good look on the site, it states that the items in the Perfumers supplies are NOT meant for inhalation use. Many of these are harmful and not meant to be consumed internally. Someone else posted a week ago and had some really bad effects. We looked up many of those and if you do a search they do state many deadly to adverse affects. Please use only the supplies on the The Flavours Apprentice part of the site.

Even some of the Flavours in the Flavour section have an asterisk and states those are flammable. Electricity heats up the coil and you dont want a flammable ingredient on there.

I dont want to come off as a PITA, but if you harm yourself and the media finds out we could all loose our privilege to vape.

DOnt hate me, Im looking out for all of us.

I agree that caution should be taken. It's not really known what prologued exposure to the lungs these flavor molecules might have. I have found many e-cigarette vendors who use many of these molecules in their mixes though, as well as cigarettes, and nowhere did I find anything about the random sampling of molecules being the dangerous parts of cigarette smoke. I will do more research before messing with these. As I do more research on this though, I'm finding it to be more common than I thought. Many of us have already been vaping on these flavor chemicals without even knowing it. The flavor concentrates we buy have to come from somewhere too.

 

[flintlock62]

You only want to use the flavors that are approved for consumption. Go to the Flavor Apprentice, and use from that category ONLY!

 

[Borednl]

You only want to use the flavors that are approved for consumption. Go to the Flavor Apprentice, and use from that category ONLY!

I'm not saying everyone should run out willy nilly and start using these flavor molecules. This thread isn't meant to promote their use, it's about inquiring what they are. Where do you think the artificial flavor from places like Flavor Apprentice or LorAnn comes from? They are mixes of base flavor molecules like these. (Though I think TPA has a bias toward carrying flavor molecules which work well in perfumes - but that doesn't mean they couldn't be useful in DIY vaping, so long as they are safe to inhale.)

 

[MF DOOM]

Even water is a chemical. Every flavor we taste is a chemical. If I were to break down a grapefruit to the molecular structure of it's flavor, it would look exactly like this list. Many artificial flavors are similar to or are the exact molecule we taste in food. The part of this I find to be intriguing is that if one were to use the broken down molecular structure of flavor, they could create something entirely new. Imagine tasting a berry that doesn't exist.

Imagine you didn't assume I had no knowledge of chem. makeup.

If I need a degree in Latin to pronounce things, I steer clear.
You vape that, tell me how it goes.

Oh, water is a chem. because it is not a singular molecule? We are stupid, tell us more.

 

[eikon]

Imagine you didn't assume I had no knowledge of chem. makeup.

If I need a degree in Latin to pronounce things, I steer clear.
You vape that, tell me how it goes.

Oh, water is a chem. because it is not a singular molecule? We are stupid, tell us more.

No reason to get nasty, it is a simple fact that the chemicals Borednl listed, along with many more, are the basis for flavorings, not just TFA but all brands. Simply put, if you vape flavored juices you vape these chemicals.

 

[Borednl]

No reason to get nasty, it is a simple fact that the chemicals Borednl listed, along with many more, are the basis for flavorings, not just TFA but all brands. Simply put, if you vape flavored juices you vape these chemicals.

Exactly. The question I'm asking is which ones might be safe to use? I have no idea whether they are as benign as water or will make your lungs melt, but if someone knows the answer I'd be interested to know. In the meantime, I'll continue to see what I can find around the net. Information seems vary scarce about these.

Imagine you didn't assume I had no knowledge of chem. makeup.

If I need a degree in Latin to pronounce things, I steer clear.
You vape that, tell me how it goes.

Oh, water is a chem. because it is not a singular molecule? We are stupid, tell us more.

And MF DOOM, my point was that just because something is a chemical, it doesn't automatically make it bad for you. Everything has chemicals in it. Tell me this, would you eat something that had the following chemicals in it?

2-HEXEN-1-AL, 2-METHYL-NAPHTHALENE, AGRIMONIIN, ALANINE, ALPHA-LINOLENIC-ACID, ALPHA-TERPINEOL, ALPHA-TOCOPHEROL, ALUMINUM, ANTHOCYANIN, ARBUTIN, ARGININE, ARSENIC, ASH, ASPARAGINE, ASPARAGINIC-ACID, ASPARTIC-ACID, BETA-SITOSTEROL, BORON, BROMINE, CADMIUM, CAFFEIC-ACID, CAMPESTEROL, CATECHIN, CATECHOL, CHLOROGENIC-ACID, CHROMIUM, CINNAMIC-ACID-METHYL-ESTER, CIS-3-HEXEN-1-OL, CITRAL, COBALT, COPPER, CYANIDIN, CYSTINE, DIHYDROTRIMETHYLNAPHTHALENE, ELLAGIC-ACID, ELLAGITANNIN, EO, FLAVONOIDS, FLUORINE, FOLACIN, FURFURAL, GALLIC-ACID, GALLOCATECHIN, GAMMA-AMINOBUTYRIC-ACID, GENTISIC-ACID, GLUTAMINE, GLYCINE, HISTIDINE, IMPERATORIN, ISOLEUCINE, KAEMPFEROL, KAEMPFEROL-3-BETA-GLUCURONIDE, KAEMPFEROL-3-BETA-MONOGLUCOSIDE, KAEMPFEROL-7-MONOGLUCOSIDE, LECITHIN, LEUCINE, LEUCOANTHOCYANIN, LINALOOL, LINOLEIC-ACID, LINOLENIC-ACID, LUTEIN, LUTEOFOROL, LYSINE, MALIC-ACID, MALVIDIN-3,5-DIGLUCOSIDE, MANGANESE, MERCURY, METHIONINE, METHYL-FURFURAL, METHYL-SALICYLATE, MOLYBDENUM, MUFA, N-NONAL, N-NONANOL, N-OCTANOL, NEO-CHLOROGENIC-ACID, NIACIN, NICKEL, NICOTINIC-ACID, OLEIC-ACID, P-COUMARIC-ACID, P-HYDROXY-BENZOIC-ACID, PALMITIC-ACID, PALMITOLEIC-ACID, PANTOTHENIC-ACID, PEDUNCULAGIN,
PELARGONIC-ACID, PELARGONIDIN-3-GLUCOSIDE, PELARGONIDIN-3-MONOGLUCOSIDE, PHOSPHORUS, PHYLLOQUINONE, PHYTATE, PHYTOSTEROLS, PROLINE, PROTOCATECHUIC-ACID, PUFA, QUERCETIN, QUERCETIN-3-BETA-GLUCURONIDE, QUERCETIN-3-BETA-MONOGLUCOSIDE, QUERCITRIN, RUBIDIUM, SALICYLATES, SALICYLIC-ACID, SELENIUM, SERINE, SFA, SILICON, STEARIC-ACID, STIGMASTEROL, SULFUR, TANNIN, THREONINE, TRYPTOPHAN, VALINE, VANILLIC-ACID, ZINC

If not.. Then you'd better not eat any strawberries!

 

[dmall]

Borednl is correct, anytime you see natural and artificial flavors, guess what, those chemicals are what is creating the flavor. Now you could make those flavors yourself if, you had a lab, oh yeah, and a good chemist sitting at the lab table figuring which chemicals will create which flavors, and enough time and money to do it. All of which I don't have! I am, however, interested in anyone who does telling us about his/her experiments.

 

[rebgold]

Most of us, probably nearly all of us who vape, have any idea what the chemical makeup of the flavorings in our eliquids are. I'm sure in some flavors it would be a pretty long list. I know for a fact many eliquids contain chemicals that make things taste creamy, or softer, or affect the bitter, sour, sweet receptors on the tongue. I don't see how any of that is much different.

 

[flintlock62]

I performed contract work for Leaf, the people who make Now & Laters. The Company was also associated with Nabisco. I had a lot of dealings with the guys in white coats. No, not the one's who wanted me to try a jacket with very long sleeves that tied in the back. I was in the lab one day while they were coming up with a new flavor. My jaws locked, and my eyes crossed. One of them said, "well, back to the test beakers, this one's not working". Maybe it was Theece es nost verking, or something like that.

What I'm trying to say is these guys are chemists, working with flavor molecules. They don't simply mix a flavor, and have success the first time.

Borednl is correct, anytime you see natural and artificial flavors, guess what, those chemicals are what is creating the flavor. Now you could make those flavors yourself if, you had a lab, oh yeah, and a good chemist sitting at the lab table figuring which chemicals will create which flavors, and enough time and money to do it. All of which I don't have! I am, however, interested in anyone who does telling us about his/her experiments.

 

[Borednl]

You're right, I imagine it could be complicated, but some flavors are quite simple. Banana flavor, for instance, can be replicated with 1 flavor molecule. "Juicy fruit" flavor can be created pretty easier with banana oil. Grapefruit flavor also comes mostly from 1 molecule as well, but other citrus type flavors can be added to flesh it out a bit. However, TPA doesn't sell those, which is kind of a bummer.

From what I gathered looking over some of these molecules, you basically take a base (like most people use graham cracker flavor or something similar) and then add other flavors to it. You use tiny amounts though, less than 1/100th of a drop for an entire 30 ml bottle of e-juice (you'd create a diluted solution and then add drops with that to get the right level). PG isn't really that expensive either, so it wouldn't really be that cost-prohibitive to try a few dozen combinations in some 3ml bottles. The hardest part would be cleaning out the drip tips to test out each combination.

Someone could also try a few of the molecules which (I'd recommend were tested safe) and add some to a flavor that someone already knows is good, to perhaps give it a different type of edge. I think this is where the more immediate results would come from. I plan on getting a few of the flavor molecules once I figure out which ones are safe to inhale.

 

[Borednl]

Update: A few so far seem to be safe to use, such as Aldehyde C-14 (peach) and Acetanisole. I've found that the most studied ones were used in cigarettes and those seem to be safe, as in they are not lung irritants or carcinogenic when tested in lab rats (so far). I've been trying to find what flavor molecules are used in the flavor concentrates we use to make e-liquid, but to no avail so far.

I have also noticed that I can no longer edit my original post, so I will post my findings when complete.

If anyone can help me research these, it would be much appreciated. I think it would be good to know what we are putting into our bodies with e-liquid, even if we don't plan on using these flavor molecules to make our own.

 

[calan]

Have you seen these pages on TPA?

Lots of info and links to the actual molecule manufacturers.

Perfumers Apprentice Flavor Development Part I
Perfumers Apprentice Flavor Development Part 2

And perhaps the most interesting:

Flavor Duplication and GC/MS Analysis