Flavor via clearomizer

[luke213]

So I've been vaping for a few months been through Blu's which I still like for out and about since they are durable and don't leak but the vapor production is pretty poor compared to a tank or something else. Anyways been using an Ego 1100mah non VV for the last few months mostly around the house and shop with some ce4 clearo's on them. Vapor and flavor was pretty good enough so I was pretty happy with them, seems to have more flavor than say my Blu battery with a Boge NR cartomizer on top(I modified my pack to fit these rather than the blu carts). I've been finding the flavor seems to be better in the CE4 for me than in the Boge's which is contrary to what I've read here. Most guys seem to say that the Carto's should be mostly second to dripping or on par with something like a Kayfun.

Now not to get too long winded I upgraded some equipment like we all do, I decided to pick up something VV/VW so I ordered a MVP 2 with the iClear 30 and I've been using that this morning. Best I can tell the iClear seems to like around 9 watt's with my Green Apple MBV 18mg juice without getting burnt, anything above 9.5 seems to taste burnt and 9.5 for very long seems to get there as well once it warms up. But the point of this is that I've been getting slightly more vapor out of the iClear 30 vs. the CE4 but the flavor between the two is parallel or even a bit better on the CE4. Maybe I'm wrong but I was under the assumption I guess that the iClear was going to be an improvement in flavor and vapor, and I'm planning on picking up a KayFun clone next month so it's not a huge issue just wanted some insight on what I'm finding if it's just me or something else. The iClear is 2ohm running 9 watt's the CE4 is 2.8 and I can't get much over 6-7 watt's without tasting burnt both on the MVP.

More less just curious if anyone knows if I'm crazy or these cheapie CE4's are really tasting pretty good, I hate that they are leaky and problematic but they really seem to throw off good flavor.

Take care!

Luke

 

[Buggainok]

Glad you are experimenting and enjoying vaping with different systems. Yes, to your question about the inexpensive clearos. I have an MVP and often use some cheap clearos with it, and the flavor comes through.

There are lots of die-hard vapers who will tell you that you can only get good results with X, Y or Z tank, or that you aren't really vaping unless you are using X, Y, or Z device. Also they will say that you are really missing out if you don't build your own coils.

Different strokes for different folks is what I say. That's the great thing about vaping, I think. If you like your results, that's what's important. We all get to do it like we want to do it.

 

[novamatt]

I think actually what you are experiencing is that the iclear isn't the best for flavor. If you like the CE4s, that's great! Stick with them. The key is finding something you like.

If you'd like to try a basic clearo that is recommended for flavor, check out the Aspire Nautilus (large capacity, but a little pricey at thirty bucks or so), a Kanger Aerotank (mid-range price wise at about twenty bucks and mid size), or a Kanger Protank 3 mini (small and about ten dollars).

 

[cbrite]

My favorite tank on my Twist is the Aspire BDC ES, which is pyrex so you don't worry about whether a juice (cinnamon, for example) will crack it. They are not horribly expensive (around $9 or a little less on ebay) and really pretty, too--at least I think so. Here is a link to one vendor--there are others.

Authentic Aspire Et s ETS BDC Pyrex 1 8ohm Tank Clearomizer Best of 2014 | eBay

I got a pack of 2 for $14.95 on ebay a while back, but haven't seen that vendor post any since.

 

[luke213]

Well I'm not really unhappy with any of it, so far the iClear seems to be less leaky than the ce4's I had which if anything I wasn't happy with the fighting with them aspect. I've got 7 or so of them I've been using and I'm very familiar with taking them apart dry burning the coils etc they just seem to be cheaply made which of course they are and leaky by design.

I guess the biggest question I've got is going to something like a Kayfun lite clone I hear allot of good things about the flavor etc and I'm curious if I'm going to get an actual improvement in flavor. Honestly my primary reason for going that direction is both durability of the steel tube and the ability to build my own coils etc, less disposable than the current setup I'm using. I think it's probably worth it just for the durability element but I'm also hoping to get more flavor for dropping the cash I guess

Thanks so much for the replies though it's appreciated.

Luke

 

[novamatt]

Ok, here's the think on the KFL clone... it's really good, but it's a step up in commitment/complication than regular clearos. You'll have to learn to build a coil (which isn't as hard as people make it sound, but you'll still have to spend a few hours trying it out and tweaking the first time to learn how to get it right). You build a new one and change it out every few weeks or so, and sometimes change the wick more often than that. It's not super difficult, and you'll very quickly get to the point where you can do it quickly and easily, but it's not plug-and-play right out of the box, either. If you're not intimidated by such things and are the kind of person who likes to tinker, then absolutely do it and I guarantee you won't regret it. I love mine, and the flavor is head and shoulders above even the "good flavor" clearos I mentioned above. But if you don't think you'll enjoy playing with it a little bit, then it might not be for you.

Basically, if you're digging playing with the settings on your MVP, you'll probably like it. Check out some coil builds on youtube and read some of the rebuildable atomizer subform here, and you should get a feel for whether or not it will be your kind of thing. But yes, the performance is drastically better than the clearos you're using now.

 

[djsvapour]

f.w.i.w.

The original iClear30 that comes with the MVP isn't very good. (I think it's journey is straight to the bin in all honesty).

When you say this

Most guys seem to say that the Carto's should be mostly second to dripping or on par with something like a Kayfun.

I can't actually say I've ever heard that before.

I can say with 100% confidence that although I like a carto (in a tank) the flavour is not even in the same galaxy as a Kayfun/Taifun/RDA.

Some CE4s are not that bad though.... I can see that.

 

[luke213]

I'm a geek by nature grew up fixing and building cars, spent years working as a computer tech and network administrator and now run my own company making handmade handgun holsters so I'd say it's safe to say I like to tinker Oh and I rebuild old Honda vintage bikes for fun

Glad to hear the flavor should be a step up I'm happy now but like anything it wouldn't hurt to improve. But I do know my way around electronics and know how to run a multimeter and soldering iron so the coils shouldn't be any issue. I've read about it and watched the videos etc. If I didn't have a wife holding my vaping budget in check I'm sure I'd already have a kfl

Thanks for the help.

Luke

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[luke213]

f.w.i.w.

The original iClear30 that comes with the MVP isn't very good. (I think it's journey is straight to the bin in all honesty).

When you say this I can't actually say I've ever heard that before.

I can say with 100% confidence that although I like a carto (in a tank) the flavour is not even in the same galaxy as a Kayfun/Taifun/RDA.

Some CE4s are not that bad though.... I can see that.

It might be old information I'm not sure if I've read it or saw it in videos but it seemed guys preferred the flavors from cartos and carto tanks to clearomizers but in my limited experience it seems the cartos tend to mute the flavors a touch more than the clearomizers. But it's like anything the more gear I get and juices I try the more I'm curious about all the other options. That's he downside of not having a vape store around here

Luke

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[Tinkiegrrl]

Taste is subjective, so what you like may not be what someone else likes. Also, different juices taste best in different types of toppers and at different temperatures. The same juice can taste like a completely different juice in each different topper you put it in and at each power level. So, keep experimenting and trying things out. If it wind's up that you like the CE4 the best, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

As for the carto comment, in my opinion my cartotanks DO deliver better flavor then my clearos, however, they aren't just stand alone cartos. They are constantly being fed more juice via the tank that they are in. This allows for higher power settings and less burning at those higher settings as well. I fully admit I get better taste with my drippers and my genesis tank set in auto drip mode though. This is only my opinion however, and it's my juice, which is different from yours. Your results may vary. Your taste buds aren't mine.

 

[luke213]

As for the carto comment, in my opinion my cartotanks DO deliver better flavor then my clearos, however, they aren't just stand alone cartos. They are constantly being fed more juice via the tank that they are in. This allows for higher power settings and less burning at those higher settings as well. I fully admit I get better taste with my drippers and my genesis tank set in auto drip mode though. This is only my opinion however, and it's my juice, which is different from yours. Your results may vary. Your taste buds aren't mine.

What I was figuring is if carto tanks tasted better than carto's I can see that after a little while and your running out of juice in the carto. But I'm seeing the flavor muted slightly from a fresh fill on rather than being great then tapering off, a little while back I was looking at carto tanks rather than clearo's but I think I'm just going to give the KayFun style setup a try and see how that works. I like the ability to take it completely down rather than having to buy carto's to replace in the tank. Not to mention it would be nice to clean it out and start fresh with a new juice flavor rather then like the CE4 style cleaning it as best I can, dry burning and still getting some of that old flavor coming through. It's not bad on some flavors but some of the tobacco juices just don't follow fruit etc

Take care!

Luke

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I don't think you'll go wrong with the Kayfun. I've got two on the way myself, plus I already have a dripper and a genesis. However, I will say that in the clearo realm, there really are a lot of removable coil options out there to try that may give you that CE4 flavor you like yet allow you to change coils for flavor changes. I always found that the iClear 30 had a tight draw. Not enough airflow can affect taste. The iClear 16 however, doesn't suffer this and the coils can be replaced. It's an option if you find that the rebuilding doesn't work for you. It looks a bit like a CE4 too, so perhaps the shape and the coil placement on it will affect how the air flows and gets you the flavor you like on the CE4?

 

[trentstephens91]

u could just go kanger and then get coils

 

[trentstephens91]

i love using my kayfun lol

 

[novamatt]

I'm a geek by nature grew up fixing and building cars, spent years working as a computer tech and network administrator and now run my own company making handmade handgun holsters so I'd say it's safe to say I like to tinker Oh and I rebuild old Honda vintage bikes for fun

Glad to hear the flavor should be a step up I'm happy now but like anything it wouldn't hurt to improve. But I do know my way around electronics and know how to run a multimeter and soldering iron so the coils shouldn't be any issue. I've read about it and watched the videos etc. If I didn't have a wife holding my vaping budget in check I'm sure I'd already have a kfl

Thanks for the help.

Luke

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Ok, in that case, forget all the cautious stuff I said above and get an EGPto Katfun Lite Plus clone ASAP. You will be very, very happy with it. Along with my variable mod and good juice, it's the best vape purchase I've made. I plan to have two or three more in the next few months so I can have multiple flavor options over the course of the day without changing things out. But since I got my Kayfun, my poor clears have gone unused... I'm actually giving them away to a friend, although I'm going to keep the Nautilus as a back up.

 

[luke213]

Well despite the fact I probably should have waited another week or so my need for something new got the better of me Kayfun lite clone and 100ft of wire in route, so at least I should be set for a little while with new gear

Next I'm sure I'll need a few more since I am a bit of a junkie for being able to change flavors today I've ran 5 so far and maybe more before the end of the day just get tired of something and move on to something else for a while

Luke

 

[luke213]

Well got my kayfun today and unfortunately it beat my kanthal wire in shipping so I'm stuck with the coils that came with it. Actually it's a Russian but I wanted adjustable airflow. I did some fiddling and got it working at 2.3 ohms right now with silica. Probably should have taken a couple wraps off but was excited to try it out. So far good vapor much better draw than the iclear 30 was able to loosen it up some. Good flavor though I'm not sure it is a huge improvement yet there. Will have to try a micro coil with cotton in a few days when it gets here. I have noticed it hits a heck of allot harder than anything else I've got. I'm running 12mg in it and thinking I need to get some pg and vg to dilute a bit may have to start ordering something lighter which is surprising me. Finding the steel tank nice because I'm not worried about cracking it but not digging the no idea how much is left element. Will have to be a learning experience to know how fast I burn through the juice.

Either way very impressed going to need several more before long

Luke

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[novamatt]

Well got my kayfun today and unfortunately it beat my kanthal wire in shipping so I'm stuck with the coils that came with it. Actually it's a Russian but I wanted adjustable airflow. I did some fiddling and got it working at 2.3 ohms right now with silica. Probably should have taken a couple wraps off but was excited to try it out. So far good vapor much better draw than the iclear 30 was able to loosen it up some. Good flavor though I'm not sure it is a huge improvement yet there. Will have to try a micro coil with cotton in a few days when it gets here. I have noticed it hits a heck of allot harder than anything else I've got. I'm running 12mg in it and thinking I need to get some pg and vg to dilute a bit may have to start ordering something lighter which is surprising me. Finding the steel tank nice because I'm not worried about cracking it but not digging the no idea how much is left element. Will have to be a learning experience to know how fast I burn through the juice.

Either way very impressed going to need several more before long

Luke

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Yeah, I had to cut from 12mg liquids to 6 when I got mine. And on the flavor, it seems like it takes a half a tank or so to break in a new coil and then all of a sudden the flavor kicks up a notch. Keep going... you'll see. And you'll like it even more once you get some decent wire and throw a micro in it.

 

[luke213]

I ordered from lucky 7 at my old 18mg level so I'm thinking that is going to be way too strong have to sit it aside allot I'm thinking I'll order some 6mg on the next order. I did however get some diy flavors also so I can mix some down when pick up some pg/vg.

So far flavor is about the same but I have no idea how fast I'm going through the tank I should have loaded a non tank cracker but I have a big bottle of green apple and until I knew it wasn't going to flood I didn't want to risk smaller bottles we'll see on the next tank maybe I'll toss on the clear tank worst it can do is Crack and make me go back to the steel until I pick up parts.

So far very impressed with the build quality etc though very nice piece of kit.

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[novamatt]

Also, you will definitely burn through juice faster than with the clearomizers, so don't be surprised when it happens.