Flavoring Concern

[Defiantgroundhog]

Never mind.. found a thread that addresses this..

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...crazy-newbie-vg-question-please-humor-me.html

 

[Taryn]

VG and PG are both naturally sweet, not sure of the calorie count if any.

 

[AlexTM]

One of them even has slightly more calories than plain suggar IIRC - but exactly how many calories fit into those average 2ml a day?

 

[Joe Camel]

1ml of sugar is 3.2 calories

 

[Guineahill]

I had better enter my vaping liquid into my food diary!

 

[aubergine]

groundhog that's my favorite question of all time. I love you.

i wonder if they give you cavities...

o god. the anti-obesity drive. you've given the FDA ANOTHER angle...

"...and CHILDREN will inhale these things, they'll inhale them right along with their Big Macs and their Snickers Bars, and get FAT, and become overweight vape fiends with mailbox bombs and chinese disEASES, and free condoms, and they will spend their entire LIVES watching the mailbox for their FIX... we read about that stuff in a BIG vaping forum..."

 

[Joe Camel]

Sugar being a carbohydrate and one gram of any carbohydrate being 4 kcalories.
1teaspoon(4grams) of sugar is 5ml.
5ml = 4g sugar which is 16 kcalories divied by 5 equaling 3.2 kcalories per ml

So if AlexTM is correct about them being very close to sugar. there you go.

 

[Taryn]

Well a smile burns about 1-2 calories so just give a grin each time you vape, easy with V4L, and you are set!!

 

[keyzygirl]

Now I have to smile while I vape!!well crap,Id rather get fat!!I cant be walking around smiling all the time!!

 

[Guineahill]

Now I have to smile while I vape!!well crap,Id rather get fat!!I cant be walking around smiling all the time!!

LOL - We will have none of that!

 

[Belletrist]

maybe that's why steve is always SMILIN'. *har har*

 

[Pawpaw]

Now I have to smile while I vape!!well crap,Id rather get fat!!I cant be walking around smiling all the time!!

I've always heard that it takes more muscles to frown than it does to smile.

If that is true, wouldn't frowning burn more calories?

 

[Joe Camel]

Well a smile burns about 1-2 calories so just give a grin each time you vape, easy with V4L, and you are set!!

Your special spin move should burn a hundred or so

 

[bpaulette]

Sorry to resurrect a scary old thread, but I'd like to get a bit more clarification on flavoring agents, diacetyl and/or its substitute

Leaford stated, in early February:

THis diacetyl issue is one I've looked into before. As has already been mentioned, the only incidents of health effects from diacetyl are people who have had massive exposure, industrial exposure like workers in microwave popcorn factories; not from the trace amounts like what's found in some e-liquids. Flavoring is a very tiny fraction of the volume of e-liquid. Every time you open a bag of popcorn you probably get more exposure than from vaping a flavor containing diacetyl heavily all day.

Nonetheless, I asked our liquid manufacturer about this, and was assured that they do not use diacetyl in their flavors. I am still waiting on an answer as to what they use instead in buttery flavors like butterscotch, but honestly I don't think I'll get a detailed answer to that. Trade secrets, you know.

However, more recent studies by NIOSH (particularly one from March, a month after Leaford posted that response) have found that even some of the substances now being used in foods as substitutes for diacetyl (i.e. pentanedione) can cause the exact same damage.



I guess the crux of my question....


Would it be possible for V4L to obtain and release a full list of flavors that contain any diacetyl or diacetyl substitute

I'm considering avoiding buttersctotch, despite the fact that I love it dearly. DEARLY. Its my favorite. ...cry.... But I also noticed "Nut Wild Mix" was one of the highest on that list posted on the first page, third actually, after Yogurt and Butter (actually higher than caramel and butterscotch). My other current favorite flavor, Wow 555, has a very nutty taste, which I absolutely adore, but now I'm wondering if diacetyl or a diacetyl substitute like pentanedione is being used to help achieve that nutty flavor.

I understand your juice people not wanting to give away trade secrets and all.... but yeah, we're inhaling this. I'd at least like to know, so that I could make my own educated decision on which flavors I may or may not want to avoid.

 

[Adrenalynn]

>> contain any diacetyl

I'll start: the air you're breathing right now.

 

[bpaulette]

Sure. But are you suggesting the factory workers and small handful of popcorn-freak consumers got their maladies from walking around in parks, rather than their repeated exposure to higher-than-atmospheric levels of certain chemicals?

Despite the dismal state of atmospheric pollution, I don't think this is an unreasonable question to ask here Lynn

 

[Adrenalynn]

I'm not saying it is. I'm suggesting your question has the potential to be pretty misleading, even leaving aside some eventual answer to it. Since everything contains _some_, the question must become concentration (which is what every question involving toxicity eventually has to boil down to). And for that to be worthwhile for more than chest-beating-action, "acceptable level" must be established.

Then the question is simply: "Is it below accepted safe concentration levels?"

And that's a yes or no question that doesn't involve trade-secrets.

 

[GiMante]

*Ugh* LOL

Bpaulette, I am right here with you in hoping to get an answer to your question.

 

[bpaulette]

I'm not saying it is. I'm suggesting your question has the potential to be pretty misleading, even leaving aside some eventual answer to it.

My question is misleading?

I'm simply asking which flavors contain diacetyl or a diacetyl substitute. I understand your argument here, and am in complete agreement on the fact that we would need to know what is an acceptably safe level to properly gauge whether or not a given amount is dangerous... but since that info doesn't seem to be available at this point (or even known at all yet, as far as I've been able to find), as info on this is still pretty fresh... if you know of a recent study or two which has actually determined what an acceptably safe ppm is for inhalation of diacetyl or a substitute like pentanedione.... please share, because I'd love to know.

Short of that, yeah... I'd just like to know which flavors use them.... period. So in other words, yes, I agree with you - a simple yes or no, without disclosing trade secrets would be OK with me at this point, so I can decide for myself if I'd like to avoid them alltogether until they do establish determinations on acceptably safe levels of such.

Since everything contains _some_,

Huh? You're saying that "everything" ... all flavors offered here, everywhere, contains _some_ diacetyl? Or am I misunderstanding your point on that?

...and yes yes... a molecule of "everything", including Caesar's dying breath and perfume from the tit of Cleopatra is probably found within each of our bottles of e-juice, from contact with the air... But I'm not asking that - just want to know which flavors have these as an active ingredient. plain and simple



And BTW, I reeeeallly don't mean to stir up fear, or create negative feelings here - These things have probably saved my life, and I, for one, plan to buy a crap-ton more juice, and keep vaping like a madman, I just want a tad more info on the makeup of certain flavors, so I can make up my own mind on which ones I'll continue to purchase. Know what I mean?

 

[Gravity]

The problem is you're a fairly new user asking a legit question... some people seem to have a problem with that.