Flavoring with essential oils

[jigtg]

Should you use EO in massage oil, 0.25ml(5 drops) to make 15ml of massage oil. Assuming you would use all of that in one blast, according to Safety of Essential Oils 25% could be absorbed so 0.25ml * 0.25 = 0.062500ml. Don't know how fast body can get rid of the toxins.
If using 0.001ml to flavor a cig, mouth would have to absorb that 62(0.062500ml/0.001ml) times faster. Massage oil would have 1.67%(0.25ml/15ml) concentration while cig 0.1%(0.001ml/1ml).
Since massage session would last for a while, this sounds a bit flawed. Lets try again.

Assuming massager would lube 50% of your body, 1.5m^2 * 0.5 = 0.75000m^2 coverage. And assuming mouth to be a 5cm radius ball, 4*pi*0.05^2 = 0.031416m^2, mouth would have to absorb 23
times faster than skin. This if I were vaping 1.67% massage oil.

 

[TropicalBob]

2 much +-/x for 1 2 digest = 2une out.

Easy answer that needs no math: DO NOT vape MASSAGE OIL. What are you thinking? My goodness. This is a new level of dumbness.

 

[Kate]

... assuming mouth to be a 5cm radius ball, ... mouth would have to absorb 23
times faster than skin. This if I were vaping 1.67% massage oil.

I agree with TBob, you'd have to be mad to try this based on those type of calculations.

The lining of your mouth is not the same as skin on the outside of your body, mucus membrane absorbs chemicals differently. Your mouth, bronchial tubes, lungs and nasal passage would be exposed to chemicals only calculated to be applied directly to skin.

If you do try this, make sure you leave a will.

 

[jigtg]

@TB: I wasn't serious about vaping massage oil, just compairing. PG and massage oil could have different absorbtion speeds. In reality concentration difference increases that factor to 1.67%/0.1% = 16.700 * 23 = 384. One thing that will probably make EO in mouth more effective is that mouth is located near brain and number of important blood vessels.

 

[Kate]

Jigtg, are you really going to try essential oils or are you just mulling it over? All the maths in the world doesn't make it sound like a good idea to me.

I would hate anyone reading this thread to get the idea that it is safe because you've tried to blind us with science. Use your common sense, do not promote something so dangerous that you wouldn't test on yourself if you weren't mad.

It's not like there aren't perfectly good alternatives. Food grade flavourings do the job just fine, some are even high strength. What do you stand to gain with using essential oils?

EDIT:

PS Do you have a problem talking to women in real life?

 

[jigtg]

Jigtg, are you really going to try essential oils or are you just mulling it over? All the maths in the world doesn't make it sound like a good idea to me.

Have to wait 2 weeks till I get them.

I would hate anyone reading this thread to get the idea that it is safe because you've tried to blind us with science. Use your common sense, do not promote something so dangerous that you wouldn't test on yourself if you weren't mad.

Common sense is nice but only gets you so far. I still remember when I told my parents about e-cig and using liquid with nicotine with it. I was being accused of being narcotic and I nearly got kicked out of the house. So theres some common sense to you.

It's not like there aren't perfectly good alternatives. Food grade flavourings do the job just fine, some are even high strength. What do you stand to gain with using essential oils?

In the long term, you would gain knowledge of what you are using. Do you know the ingredients?

PS Do you have a problem talking to women in real life?

How the hell did you know that? To be honest, I never really had a girlfriend. Does arguing count as interacting with women? You mind giving me some tips?

 

[Kate]

No, I don't know what ingredients I inhale most of the time. That isn't a particularly good argument though, I've more reassurance that what I'm sold to vape is safer than essential oils. More feedback has been received at least and I'm confident enough to risk my health that the hazards are low. I'd prefer to initially leave it to professional researchers and medics to determine the safety of my ingredients. Food grade flavourings may indeed be a problem, I don't know but essential oils are way beyond my comfort zone. If professional research suggested they were safe I would be far less worried about you trying them.

Tip: never eat yellow snow.

 

[jigtg]

Tip: never eat yellow snow.

You mean when women are watching? But what if I eat snow when no one is watching? Certainly I should be safe, right?

Speaking of which, many first child parents end up with allergic kids because they don't let their kid play/eat with dirt so immune system doesn't get fully developed.

 

[Kate]

Lol. Maybe you could use essential oils to boost your immune system and ward off rogue women that way.

 

[jigtg]

At this age immune system has long ago stopped developing. Though, at times I feel like a kid, so I think it might work. What do you suggest?

Punditry | Professor Bainbridge

 

[Kate]

Jasmine and ylang ylang are nice,

Hospitals in the UK are crawling with bugs that can't be killed with traditional anti bacterial cleaners. Apparently essential oils can be used in cleaning products to combat the superbug MRSA.

Maybe in the future an eliquid will be developed that harnesses the beneficial effects of essential oils, they already have a pretty good reputation in therapeutic use. I'll wait for medics to determine toxicity and concentrations first though.

 

[jigtg]

So do you think reverse psychology did affect you during this mindless conversation we just had? I mean, I have used it couple times when I was young to get some bullies of my back and I have been told it confuses you pretty bad.

 

[Kate]

I'm sorry you feel that I was on your back.

Good luck with the essential oils.

 

[jigtg]

I am sorry if I hurt you feelings in any way. I can be a real ....... at times.

 

[Kate]

It's hard to get on when communicating on the internet sometimes, misunderstandings, hurt feelings, etc. No worries, we're not enemies, it's only a virtual world and anyone with sense develops a thick skin for online relationships.

 

[Dayride]

I got the mccormick imitation banana flavor, and one that says it contains extract of raspberry. The raspberry doesn't say anything specifically about oil, should I worry? What is the effects of oil on the atomizer? Ten bucks for a new atomizer and what fifty grand for a new lung seem like a big price if there is oil in it.

 

[Kate]

"Ten bucks for a new atomizer and what fifty grand for a new lung seem like a big price if there is oil in it." That could be correct, we don't know anything for sure.

If your flavourings don't list oil then they should only contain trace amounts from flavour extraction at most as far as I know. Anyone using food flavours is in the same boat, we aren't told the extraction process for flavours.

McCormick flavours ring a bell, I think I've read that they clog atomisers or something. Check that there's no sugar or colourings in them just in case.

If you're in the States you might want to have a look at the non-oil Bickfords flavours, they come recommended. I use LorAnn candy flavours and I think they're ok too. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/1137-flavoring-shops.html

Welcome to the forum.

 

[jigtg]

Just wanted to make clear that earlier post talk about long term risks such as risk of getting cancer, liver or kidneys failing on you and things like that. One could say following ADI recommendations also includes some short term risks.
Onwards from post #14 to this post, talks about short term risks such as blood poisoning, heart attact, brain damage and soforth caused by immediate toxication. Obviously some EO dosage within certain time to be safe, both risks need to be considered.

Take nicotine for example. If you take nic worth of 20 in one blast,
Acceptable Daily Intake would still be within limits but I'm pretty sure you would die by immediate toxication or at least be in pretty bad shape.

In case of PG vs. VG, we can say that the risk with PG is long term and with VG it is short term. If VG for whatever reason forms acrolein, it will is likely that the problems will get severe much faster than with PG. PG even in much larger quantities than we take now poses no danger of immediate toxication. Nice thing about VG is that it causes severe irritation so at least it gives off some kind of warning. Some chemicals do their dirty work with no sign of warning.

 

[TropicalBob]

We know nothing about the long- or short-term risk, or benefit, of using either propylene glycol or vegetable glycerine. Why? It's never been clinically tested before. We are the guinea pigs. No human has ever sucked in the vapors of either substance in the prolonged, consistent way we e-smoke them. So enough of the scare talk. We know nothing!

Yes, some day we'll know something, won't we? But that day isn't today.

Scare postings are just off-putting, especially to newbies trying to ditch an addiction that kills an estimated half of its users. Read the Health New Zealand preliminary findings and chill.

 

[bp400]

But the ecto looks so cool with all the tank and pv set-ups. Haha jk.... kinda
Ecto cooler...ewww menthol

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