Flavouring and lung irritation

[UsedToBeNew]

I've been vaping for about three months. I love everything about it. However, I've been experiencing some lung irritation the last couple of weeks. I've been down about this because I love vaping so much. I've racked my brains as to what I have done differently, and after much testing - only VG, only PG, not chain vaping, having three days and then starting again - I've come to the conclusion that it's the flavouring. I get no symptoms of lung irritation with unflavoured e-liquid, but I don't like the taste of the base liquids. They're not terrible, just remind me a bit of bland porridge. (that's oatmeal to most of you guys). When I first started, I used flavouring more sparingly, and worked my way up to about ten percent.

I mostly use Flavourart flavours.

What I would like to be informed on, Vaping Community, are your experiences with lung irritation and flavours.

Have you found the same problem? If so, are there any companies offering flavourings that can be used to give a knock-your-socks-off taste without irritating the lungs. (this will be purely subjective, I realise, and may not work for me, but I would like to know your experiences anyway).

Help me, Vaping Community: oatmeal, porridge, or whatever it's called where you are located, is not my flavour of choice.

 

[Jimi D.]

I've had no lung irritations, but have had muscle spasms and twitching from a particular flavor manufacturer. I had switched to another manufacturer, and it miraculously went away.

 

[cookiebun]

I noticed a bit of irritation after heavily vaping citrus flavors.

 

[dannyv45]

Try hangsen flavors. I have not had problems with them. You can get them at vapingzone dot com. Also it would help if you listed the flavorings your having problems with and who they are made by. It also could be that now your using to much flavor so try lowering the percentage. Also as mentioned before that chain vaping isn't good ether. Also give us an idea of what base your mixing at (75pg/25vg/18mg nic etc...)

 

[jbuck1975]

I've noticed a little while vaping cinnamon.

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[we2rcool]

I'll see your 'porridge' and raise you one 'gruel'!

PG is much more irritating and dehydrating that VG. Most all flavors are PG based (I've read they're around 90% PG, but never confirmed it).

Typically, lowering/eliminating PG substantially reduces irritation (and the irritation caused by dryness).

Certain brands of nic are more irritating than others - but if vaping 'base' isn't irritating, it's not likely the nic.

We add a .9% sterlile saline solution our VG base (we dilute our VG by 20% - using 9% distilled water; 9% sterile saline (a .9% solution) and 2% pure grain alcohol. The saline enhances flavors and helps to hydrate our mouth & lungs (saline solution is used as a base for almost all therapeutic lung treatments)! Btw, I'd leave out the alcohol, as it can also be an irritant.

Many of the non-PG flavors are triacetin based. We find triacetin to be irritating, as well as adding an undesireable flavor.

I agree with the recommendation for Hangsen flavors. Although they are PG based, they can be used at low percentages (and seem to irritate less than others). However, I suggest ECX as a supplier (as I will no longer fund/support Vapingzone because they sell flavors containing diacetyl, without disclosing it to their buyers). Hangsen flavors are diacetyl free wherever you buy them.

There are quite a few flavors that can be used (very satisfactorily) at 5% or less - which is enough to turn porridge into something vapeable! In fact, almost any flavor at less than 5% will wipe out the bland porridge taste.

Also, Nude Nicotine has a small selection of VG based flavors (that are getting good reviews); I've recently purchase three of them (and their nic), but haven't yet had a chance to mix/try them.

'Hope that gives you some ideas that help!

 

[Bryan lord]

I'll see your 'porridge' and raise you one 'gruel'!

PG is much more irritating and dehydrating that VG. Most all flavors are PG based (I've read they're around 90% PG, but never confirmed it).

Typically, lowering/eliminating PG substantially reduces irritation (and the irritation caused by dryness).

Certain brands of nic are more irritating than others - but if vaping 'base' isn't irritating, it's not likely the nic.

We add a .9% sterlile saline solution our VG base (we dilute our VG by 20% - using 9% distilled water; 9% sterile saline (a .9% solution) and 2% pure grain alcohol. The saline enhances flavors and helps to hydrate our mouth & lungs (saline solution is used as a base for almost all therapeutic lung treatments)! Btw, I'd leave out the alcohol, as it can also be an irritant.

Many of the non-PG flavors are triacetin based. We find triacetin to be irritating, as well as adding an undesireable flavor.

I agree with the recommendation for Hangsen flavors. Although they are PG based, they can be used at low percentages (and seem to irritate less than others). However, I suggest ECX as a supplier (as I will no longer fund/support Vapingzone because they sell flavors containing diacetyl, without disclosing it to their buyers). Hangsen flavors are diacetyl free wherever you buy them.

There are quite a few flavors that can be used (very satisfactorily) at 5% or less - which is enough to turn porridge into something vapeable! In fact, almost any flavor at less than 5% will wipe out the bland porridge taste.

Also, Nude Nicotine has a small selection of VG based flavors (that are getting good reviews); I've recently purchase three of them (and their nic), but haven't yet had a chance to mix/try them.

'Hope that gives you some ideas that help!

I'm sorry for making you repeat yourself but where do you get the .9 saline?


-Lord

 

[Bryan lord]

I've had no lung irritations, but have had muscle spasms and twitching from a particular flavor manufacturer. I had switched to another manufacturer, and it miraculously went away.

I get the twitches so bad! Thought it was just me. I can feel like my stomach twitching too.


-Lord

 

[weare138]

too much flavoring or overly steeped eliquid irritates my lungs

 

[weare138]

try to go light on the flavors.... also pg is known to cause irritation... check to see if the flavors contain pg

 

[we2rcool]

I'm sorry for making you repeat yourself but where do you get the .9 saline?


-Lord

We're able to get ours at old-timey mom & pop 'drug store' and we pay around $5 a liter. However, most pharmacies won't sell it because they claim it's 'prescription only' (which is total bs). Anyway, it's available on Amazon. You're wanting: .9% sterile saline (it's typically used for irrigating wounds/eyes). Here's a 250ml bottle on Amazon Amazon.com: SALINE SOLUTION .9% 250ML IRR (EA): Health & Personal Care ...but if you do more searching you might find it cheaper (on Amazon, or at a medical supply vendor).

 

[UsedToBeNew]

I'll see your 'porridge' and raise you one 'gruel'!

PG is much more irritating and dehydrating that VG. Most all flavors are PG based (I've read they're around 90% PG, but never confirmed it).

Typically, lowering/eliminating PG substantially reduces irritation (and the irritation caused by dryness).

Certain brands of nic are more irritating than others - but if vaping 'base' isn't irritating, it's not likely the nic.

We add a .9% sterlile saline solution our VG base (we dilute our VG by 20% - using 9% distilled water; 9% sterile saline (a .9% solution) and 2% pure grain alcohol. The saline enhances flavors and helps to hydrate our mouth & lungs (saline solution is used as a base for almost all therapeutic lung treatments)! Btw, I'd leave out the alcohol, as it can also be an irritant.

Many of the non-PG flavors are triacetin based. We find triacetin to be irritating, as well as adding an undesireable flavor.

I agree with the recommendation for Hangsen flavors. Although they are PG based, they can be used at low percentages (and seem to irritate less than others). However, I suggest ECX as a supplier (as I will no longer fund/support Vapingzone because they sell flavors containing diacetyl, without disclosing it to their buyers). Hangsen flavors are diacetyl free wherever you buy them.

There are quite a few flavors that can be used (very satisfactorily) at 5% or less - which is enough to turn porridge into something vapeable! In fact, almost any flavor at less than 5% will wipe out the bland porridge taste.

Also, Nude Nicotine has a small selection of VG based flavors (that are getting good reviews); I've recently purchase three of them (and their nic), but haven't yet had a chance to mix/try them.

'Hope that gives you some ideas that help!

Great help, this post. I'll definitely try Hangsen flavours, presuming I can find a vendor that will ship to Europe without some ridiculous $40 charge. The saline idea interested me, but doesn't the water evaporate and the salt build up on the coil?

 

[UsedToBeNew]

Great help, this post. I'll definitely try Hangsen flavours, presuming I can find a vendor that will ship to Europe without some ridiculous $40 charge. The saline idea interested me, but doesn't the water evaporate and the salt build up on the coil?

Ha ha, just Googled Hangsen flavours, and it turns out I've already got some.

 

[UsedToBeNew]

Try hangsen flavors. I have not had problems with them. You can get them at vapingzone dot com. Also it would help if you listed the flavorings your having problems with and who they are made by. It also could be that now your using to much flavor so try lowering the percentage. Also as mentioned before that chain vaping isn't good ether. Also give us an idea of what base your mixing at (75pg/25vg/18mg nic etc...)

Right you are, but my testing hasn't been as rigourous as to test individual flavours yet. And it seems to be the concentration that's the problem. I have vaped all the flavours I have at low percentages and found that I tolerate them, I think. I'll certainly report back with more rigorous results, in the interest of vaping science.

In fact, I have a few more nuggets of anecdotal/vague evidence: I found Royal to be a strong lung irritant at artound 10 percent. This one tastes a bit like menthol; could that have anything to do with it? I remember as a kid my friends saying that menthol-flavoured cigarettes make you lungs bleed. I thought this was nonsense.

Also, their Mad Fruits flavour (Red Bull) gave me the old aching bronchi the next day. The irritation was pronounced. I used it the next morning and found that my lungs started to ache, and if I brought up mucus from my throat, it tasted a little like blood. Needless to say I'm not giving myself vaping wings anytime soon.

 

[FinallyQuit]

If you're over-flavoring that will cause irritation. Especially on Hangsen, where around 3% is the rule. I would think this place might be right up your alley as well:

Flavours 10 ml - - Inawera Shop, The Best E-Liquids, Flavours, Bases And Many More!

They are prescribing 6 to 10 drops of flavor per 10 ml of finished liquid. They ship from Poland and do deliver to Norway.

 

[FinallyQuit]

Right you are, but my testing hasn't been as rigourous as to test individual flavours yet. And it seems to be the concentration that's trhe problem. I have vaped all the flavours I have at low percentages and found that I tolerate them, I think. I'll certainly report back with more rigorous results, in the interest of vaping science.

In fact, I have a few more nuggets of anecdotal/vague evidence: I found Royal to be a a stroong lung irritant at artound 10 percent. This one tastes a bit like menthol; could that have anything to do with it? I remember as a kid my friends saying that menthol-flavoured cigarettes make you lungs bleed. I thought this was nonsense.

I've seen Royal recommended at 2%, try diluting it and see what you think.

 

[UsedToBeNew]

I sure hope I don't get 'popcorn lung':

https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/flavoringlung/

But seriosuly, it seems the flavourings are the wildcard in thise whole vaping thing.

 

[ShariR]

I can not vape cinnamon or vanilla custard because I have a sensitivity to it. I see you mentioned cinnamon. Some versions of that flavor are oil based and are harsh. Stay away from oil based flavorings which can include your citrusy types and cinnamon and some mints, and anything with diacetyl or its by products in it (vanilla custard, buttery flavors, some ice creams). Do some reading on the DIY threads these things are discussed there. Too much flavoring can be a problem too and it can also mute the flavor.

 

[FinallyQuit]

I sure hope I don't get 'popcorn lung':

https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/flavoringlung/

But seriosuly, it seems the flavourings are the wildcard in thise whole vaping thing.

NOTHING in vaping has been rigorously tested for inhalation safety, it's ALL a wildcard.

That said; if flavors are irritating your lungs go as low on the amount of flavoring as you can, and don't direct lung inhale.

 

[UsedToBeNew]

NOTHING in vaping has been rigorously tested for inhalation safety, it's ALL a wildcard.

That said; if flavors are irritating your lungs go as low on the amount of flavoring as you can, and don't direct lung inhale.

Thanks for the capital letters; I do struggle with those words when they're not capitalised. There are scientific studies into the safety of e-cigs:

CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk -- PHILADELPHIA, Aug. 8, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

Depends what your definition of rigorous is. I would consider 'reviewing over 9,000 observations about the chemistry of the vapor and the liquid in e-cigarettes' pretty rigorous.

Of course, noone knows about long-term use.