(Florida) Bill Would Block Electronic Cigarettes For Minors

[ennagizer]

I support this. However, is it illegal for for minors to possess analog cigarettes? I don't know. If it's not illegal, then possessing ecigs shouldn't be illegal. This would go against common sense - allow the possession of the more dangerous product. Yeah, that would be reeeeeal schmart, duh huh.


Bill Would Block Electronic Cigarettes For Minors : NorthEscambia.com

Bill Would Block Electronic Cigarettes For Minors
October 2, 2013

Florida Senate Majority Leader Lizbeth Benacquisto, R-Fort Myers, filed a bill this week that would ban the sales of electronic cigarettes to minors.

The electronic devices, which deliver nicotine and simulate cigarette smoking, would be added to part of state law that prohibits
the sale of tobacco products to people under age 18. The bill (SB 224), which was filed Monday, also would make it illegal for minors to possess electronic cigarettes.

The proposal is filed for the 2014 legislative session.

 

[ennagizer]

Link to the bill: Senate Bill 0224 (2014) - The Florida Senate
Bill text: http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/BillText/Filed/HTML

 

[ennagizer]

I just read part of the bill. Again, the news headline misrepresents the bill. Although it covers ecigs, it actually covers all alternative nicotine products.

“Alternative nicotine product” means a product that consists of or contains nicotine that can be ingested into the body by any means, including, but not limited to, chewing, smoking, absorbing, dissolving, and inhaling. The term includes an electronic cigarette,

 

[AgentAnia]

Just finished reading the text of the bill (now busy trying to uncross my eyes...). As I read it, the bill basically amends existing legislation that prohibits sales of cigarettes/etc. to minors (and possession of same by minors), to include ecigs. No mention that I see of banning ecigs or restructing their use.

(Noteworthy: This bill specifically excludes from the definition of "minor" anyone under 18 serving in the military.)

 

[Bill Godshall]

At 9AM this Wednesday, the Florida Senate Cmte on Criminal Justice is scheduled to consider Florida Senate bill (SB 224) to ban sale of “nicotine dispensing products” to minors.
Senate Bill 0224 (2014) - The Florida Senate
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/BillText/c1/HTML
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/Analyses/2014s0224.pre.cj.PDF

The original SB 224 at
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/BillText/__/HTML
would have banned the sale of all "alternative nicotine products" to minors,
while exempting all FDA approved NRT products.

In contrast, the Committee Substitute SB 224 at
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/BillText/c1/HTML
would NOT ban the sale of some dissolvable nicotine products, nicotine
water/drinks or nicotine skin creams to minors, but would ban the sale
of FDA approved nicotine inhalers to minors (something drug companies
and their funded front groups won't like once they find out).

The Senators should be made aware of this, and should approve the
original version of SB 224 instead of the Committee Substitute version of SB 224.

 

[Uma]

At 9AM this Wednesday, the Florida Senate Cmte on Criminal Justice is scheduled to consider Florida Senate bill (SB 224) to ban sale of “nicotine dispensing products” to minors.
Senate Bill 0224 (2014) - The Florida Senate
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/BillText/c1/HTML
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/Analyses/2014s0224.pre.cj.PDF

The original SB 224 at
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/BillText/__/HTML
would have banned the sale of all "alternative nicotine products" to minors,
while exempting all FDA approved NRT products.

In contrast, the Committee Substitute SB 224 at
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/BillText/c1/HTML
would NOT ban the sale of some dissolvable nicotine products, nicotine
water/drinks or nicotine skin creams to minors, but would ban the sale
of FDA approved nicotine inhalers to minors (something drug companies
and their funded front groups won't like once they find out).

The Senators should be made aware of this, and should approve the
original version of SB 224 instead of the Committee Substitute version of SB 224.

Well, that explains this new hot off the shelf, paid for by BP (Chantix no doubt). http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/01/new-study-finds-that-nicotine.html#disqus_thread
i had a feeling they were up to no good, after hearing their new ad campaign, fighting nicotine addiction without nicotine.

 

[hoogie76]

Couldn't this bill, if passed as is, essentially ban the online sale of e-cigs from Florida vendors since there is no provision, like other states, to verify a purchaser via online 'public database' or age verification service?

Looks like sales would be limited to face to face only since ID check is required.

hoog

 

[Bill Godshall]

States don't have the legal authority to regulate Interstate Commerce or to regulate the Internet.
Only US Congress has that legal authority.

 

[Eric A. Blair]

At 9AM this Wednesday, the Florida Senate Cmte on Criminal Justice is scheduled to consider Florida Senate bill (SB 224) to ban sale of “nicotine dispensing products” to minors.
Senate Bill 0224 (2014) - The Florida Senate
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/BillText/c1/HTML
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/Analyses/2014s0224.pre.cj.PDF

The original SB 224 at
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/BillText/__/HTML
would have banned the sale of all "alternative nicotine products" to minors,
while exempting all FDA approved NRT products.

In contrast, the Committee Substitute SB 224 at
http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2014/0224/BillText/c1/HTML
would NOT ban the sale of some dissolvable nicotine products, nicotine
water/drinks or nicotine skin creams to minors, but would ban the sale
of FDA approved nicotine inhalers to minors (something drug companies
and their funded front groups won't like once they find out).

The Senators should be made aware of this, and should approve the
original version of SB 224 instead of the Committee Substitute version of SB 224.

There is a reason why five out of the 11 richest counties in America are all within a 20 mile radius of DC. That's where the money and the power and the policy that picks winners and losers is. With taxpayer money and political favors.

I give you a lot of credit for being able To deal with this without throwing up. The rest of us have to go to work pay the bills and drive the kids to soccer practice.

Bill, I will remind you of what I told you five years ago. Even Michael Moore could set the world record for the 100m with a 140 MPH hurricane force wind at his back.

But you have a God-given ability for emotional reserve and real action.

I am glad I am on your side.

 

[stevegmu]

Nicotine skin cream? Never heard of it, but I want some...

 

[Eric A. Blair]

Nicotine skin cream? Never heard of it, but I want some...

Big Pharma prices it at $2100 per bottle. But if you have healthcare insurance it's free and covered under preventive care.

Doesn't matter what it really costs. Take four of them.

 

[hoogie76]

States don't have the legal authority to regulate Interstate Commerce or to regulate the Internet.
Only US Congress has that legal authority.

Thanks Bill.. Does that mean that states don't have the authority to require/enforce age verification on internet sales?

hoog

 

[stevegmu]

Big Pharma prices it at $2100 per bottle. But if you have healthcare insurance it's free and covered under preventive care.

Doesn't matter what it really costs. Take four of them.

Sweet! I have a Mercedes plan...

 

[caged]

Big Pharma prices it at $2100 per bottle. But if you have healthcare insurance it's free and covered under preventive care.

Doesn't matter what it really costs. Take four of them.

But it's not free. It's not free at all. You still pay for it through your insurance premiums, which will no doubt go up if everyone thinks it's free.

 

[03FXDWG]

If you mix some of your e-liquid in with your cold creme, it would become nicotine skin creme. Just spilling some on your skin turns it into skin creme if you don't get it washed off.

 

[hoogie76]

Thanks Bill.. Does that mean that states don't have the authority to require/enforce age verification on internet sales?

hoog

What amazes me is that with the notion that states may have no authority to enforce internet bans, restrictions or requirements and nobody gives a .... about it. I can't understand why a state would put wording in their laws for internet based sales restrictions/requirements if they couldn't enforce it. It's very unclear and confusing.

Can someone please expand on who has authority on internet based sales and what customer base it applies to? State customers, interstate customers?

The way the law has always been explained to me is that you treat internet sales just like your distribution center was a retail store and every customer was coming in like they walked into your location.

example: Someone from out of state comes into a Madvapes location, we would card them despite what state they were from.

help..

thanks,

hoog

 

[Lord]

What if someone comes up with an electronic cigarette that could be prescibed and monitored by the doctor and parents? Essentially that is what it comes down to as far as regulating the intake a minor would have of nicotine-a way for them to get its benefits without having to worry about them 'overdosing'. The e-cig would just shut off if it reached a certain amount of nicotine from 'sniffing' what came through the chimney and 'sensing the nicotine content of the e-liquid' ?

I don't think it would be a big jump in technology, as we already have 'puff counters', ohm resistance meters, battery protections, electronic controls, and the such already in place?

 

[stevegmu]

I don't there have been any studies showing the effects of nicotine on children. No doctor would prescribe nicotine to children without such studies...

 

[Lord]

I don't there have been any studies showing the effects of nicotine on children. No doctor would prescribe nicotine to children without such studies...

Why do adults try it, like it, and keep using it ?

If it's beneficial, why not have it prescribed by the child's doctor ?

Is it more addictive than caffeine ? Where are the studies about what caffeine drinks do to 'children' , particularly the so-called 'energy drinks' ?

It's not carcinogenic. The FDA's studies have been proven to be faulty, inaccurate, and misleading. Meanwhile, there have been numerous studies done by independent and industry labs that prove it is not a carcinogen in and of itself.

It is a drug, it is addictive, but it seems to have more in common with caffeine than it does with alcohol for its potential to do harm.

 

[Jman8]

Sorry, just can't get on board with any bill that denies possession of eCigs to minors.

I understand why vaping community would wish to be politically correct and go along with banning sales.

But when language of possession is included, it IMO is working against adults, whether adults acknowledge this or refuse to discuss this matter.