Flu season

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Surveillance

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I just came down with something, cold or flu.. not sure.. but one thing I know.. I wish I hadn't have. :D

I haven't been able to handle more than about 3-4 vapes a day now.. throat hurts too much.

Just a reminder to be mindful of who you share your VK with.. put a fresh new carto on for your friends/families/co-workers.. and keep track of who each one 'belongs' to.

I made a mistake when I was visiting family last week.. I was so eager to show them my vapor king.. and all the flavors.. that I ended catching something that one of my cousins had just gotten over.

I can't blame the VK, and I don't, but I just wanted to give a friendly reminder to the rest of us VK lovers.
 

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Here's a suggestion. I've tried it and it works fine for giving someone a taste of the VK. Take a protective plastic carto end cap, squeeze the closed end between your fingers so the end protrudes a litte, and cut a slice out of the middle. It should make a nice hole in the center, while retaining the structural integrity of the cap. Put it over the end of the carto, just far enough so it stays put, and you've got a disposable mouthpiece. I wouldn't use it for an extended time, but should be fine for a few drags.
 

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I've never had a flu shot and have only gotten the flu once in my adult life, and I'm pushing 60. The time I did get it, I only felt bad for two days.

A good immune system is the best defense against any and all disease. I've become much more health consious in recent years and my increased ability to resist illness has been striking. Most deaths from any kind of influenza are actually from bacterial pneumonia, a complication of the flu due to a weak immune system.
 

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His Onc was the one that didn't want him to risk it, believe it or not. They are going to re-evaluate that after many people have gotten the shot and they see what the reactions are and how people do. I should mention, hubby had a very indolent (slow growing) kind that tends to wax and wane. Otherwise he is very healthy.
 

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all those flu shots and especially the pork shot are very ridiculous and not needed. The pork shot was attemtped in the 50's as well and made more people have nuerological problems than it helped prevent from disease. The pork shot also has mercury in it.

There are several different H1N1 vaccines being produced. Only those inactivated virus vaccines that are packaged in multi-dose vials contain Thimerasol. If you really want to avoid Thimerasol, pay a bit more to get a single dose vaccine, or get the live virus nasal spray.

But, there's no good reason to avoid Thimerasol vaccines, anyway. The mercury it contains is far less than the amount most of us receive and eliminate DAILY from the environment.

Furthermore, it's in the form of ethyl mercury, which is metabolized and removed by the body very quickly, not the dangerous methyl mercury which remains in the body longer, and can build up to dangerous levels.

Trace amounts of a toxin are only dangerous if they remain in the body and build up to a toxic dose. The dose makes the poison:
YouTube - The Dose Makes the Poison (1/2)

I've never had a flu shot and have only gotten the flu once in my adult life, and I'm pushing 60. The time I did get it, I only felt bad for two days.

A good immune system is the best defense against any and all disease. I've become much more health consious in recent years and my increased ability to resist illness has been striking. Most deaths from any kind of influenza are actually from bacterial pneumonia, a complication of the flu due to a weak immune system.

Being ill or in poor health can weaken the immune system, allowing pathogens that would otherwise be fought off to take advantage. But other than that, being "healthier" or more fit, diet or exercise, nutritional supplements, none of that will make a damn bit of difference if you contract a virus.

Being "health conscious" does not in any way super-charge the immune system and prevent infections. You might get through the illness easier, but that's all.

In this context, the only immune system good enough is one that has been prepared to fight the infection by being vaccinated so it has an immune response ready, and can fight the virus BEFORE it causes an infection, instead of trying to fight the infection after.
 

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Here's a suggestion. I've tried it and it works fine for giving someone a taste of the VK. Take a protective plastic carto end cap, squeeze the closed end between your fingers so the end protrudes a litte, and cut a slice out of the middle. It should make a nice hole in the center, while retaining the structural integrity of the cap. Put it over the end of the carto, just far enough so it stays put, and you've got a disposable mouthpiece. I wouldn't use it for an extended time, but should be fine for a few drags.

They've got the little rubber caps with the holes already in them. Steve sent me a small packet of them a few orders ago & I've got some from a previous vendor. They work great & I use them on all my carts. I just soak them in hot water and wash them out really well when I do my refilling. ;)
 

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Being "health conscious" does not in any way super-charge the immune system and prevent infections. You might get through the illness easier, but that's all.

Your post confuses me. You do realize that being healthy and fit is exactly the opposite of being in poor health, right?

You also seem to have forgotten the fact that a healthy and fit person will fight of minor problems (things other than viruses) much easier and quicker than someone who isn't healthy. What does this mean? It means their immune system is freed up more than an unhealthy persons', ready to fight the flu.



I stay away from Purell (or whatever it is) for the same reason I stay away from flu shots. Viruses and bacteria evolve very quickly. So quickly, that when you put anti-bacterial crap on your hands, most of the bacteria is killed but the bacteria that survives has already evolved into something more dangerous than what you just killed. And guess what, this new bacteria basically just got a "Purell Shot" - making it immune to most anti-bacterial measures.
 

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Your post confuses me. You do realize that being healthy and fit is exactly the opposite of being in poor health, right?
Yes, but the effects on the immune system are not the exact opposite of each other. Basically, the immune system is not a muscle. If you are in poor health you will weaken that system, and returning to normal health will bring that system back to normal. But that's it. NORMAL. If you then decide to get all fit and healthy, your immune system does not grow with your muscles. It's as strong when you're extra healthy as it is if you are of average fitness. You can push it down, but not build it up. There are drugs that can do that temporarily. Oh, and vaccines do that, by adding to the number of antigens the system knows how to recognize and kill.

But being in better physical condition than average, or taking suppliments, or a special diet? No. Basically as long as nothing is acting to waeaken your immune system, it's running at it's natural pace, whatever that may be.

You also seem to have forgotten the fact that a healthy and fit person will fight of minor problems (things other than viruses) much easier and quicker than someone who isn't healthy. What does this mean? It means their immune system is freed up more than an unhealthy persons', ready to fight the flu.
One, it's how you define healthy and unhealthy. Being a overweight won't affect your immune system. In that regard, they're healthy as anyone else. Diabetes, OTOH can affect the immune system. If you have that you may not have a healthy immune system.

Two, Influenza is not a minor problem. Minor compared to cancer, maybe. It's a major challange to the immune system. Even for a big tough healthy person. It's hardest on the sick, weak, old, or young. But fit healthy adults die too. See, that's because their "sooped-up" immune systems FAILED. Even the regular seasonal flu kills tens of thousands of people every year. With vaccinations widely available.


I stay away from Purell (or whatever it is) for the same reason I stay away from flu shots. Viruses and bacteria evolve very quickly. So quickly, that when you put anti-bacterial crap on your hands, most of the bacteria is killed but the bacteria that survives has already evolved into something more dangerous than what you just killed. And guess what, this new bacteria basically just got a "Purell Shot" - making it immune to most anti-bacterial measures.
Vaccines do not work like anti-biotics. They don't kill the virus. It is quite impossible for vaccination to cause the evolution of a vaccine resistant strain. Because the vaccine never touches or interacts with the virus at all. Ever. It only interacts with the immune system. You don't vaccinate someone who has the virus already, you give it to someone BEFORE they get the virus.

The virus itself, through random mutation, may mutate into a form which the vaccine won't provide immunity to. The flu virus does that every year, always did, always will, no matter whether we vaccinate or not.
 

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I have a stupid immune system..I used to never get sick or at least rarely. I had the Asiatic Flu back in 1959 as a 11 yr old ..I was the first person hospitalized in Houston back then for 3 weeks almost got me, ferver way up , I was delirious.
Talk about a weird trip..

Since then I have been like superman anytime everyone else would catch flu or anything else, it never affected me.

Then when I turned 50 I got Rheumatoid Arthritis, Basically my immune system thinks I am a foreign infection and attacks me. Been fighting it for 11 yrs now. I also take and have taken all types of immune suppressive drugs. A lot with bad side effects.

I'm considering not getting the vax and stop taking my meds and let my monster loose and maybe it will have something else to attack instead of me.
 
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