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[Mindfield]

Does enlarging the Cup Seal ID or the O-Ring ID cure the Burnt Taste because it somehow improves wicking? Or is it because less vapor is in contact with the Black Rubber material.

Some have mentioned in other posts that the Black Cup Seals/O-Rings/Mouth Pieces have a Funky Rubber taste. Kinda like chewing on a old 185/70 Goodyear tire.

The primary advantage of increasing the O-ring ID (or cup seal ID) is indeed to move as much of the rubber/silicone material as far away from the coil as possible. By cutting out the inner lip of either you're eliminating any material from resting inside the cup, and therefore near or even on the coil. (I've had some where the coil was off-center and near a slot, which brought it in direct contact with that inner O-ring lip).

However, a minor secondary advantage is increased convection. With the larger hole comes the ability to remove more heat from the coil, reducing buildup in the cup allowing the coil to release more heat to the surrounding air, resulting in a slightly warmer vape. (The coil can't heat the surrounding air if the surrounding air is the same temperature as the coil; being able to move heat allows the coil to do its job better.)

The reason I don't use the cup seal is that even though you can still do the donut mod on it, I was never able to solve the wicking issues even by increasing the size of the slots and lifting the seal up further. (Although I never tried that in conjunction with the donut mod applied to the cup seal. Maybe that's something I should try.) Using the inverted O-ring solved the wick pinching issues and allowed a very free flow of juice to the coil -- but still prevented flooding, as long as the wicks are fluffed.

 

[zoiDman]

The primary advantage of increasing the O-ring ID (or cup seal ID) is indeed to move as much of the rubber/silicone material as far away from the coil as possible.

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The reason I asked is that there was never an issue with a Rubber Taste until the OEM switched to the Black Cup Seal, O-Ring and Mouth Piece.

 

[Mindfield]

The reason I asked is that there was never an issue with a Rubber Taste until the OEM switched to the Black Cup Seal, O-Ring and Mouth Piece.

I'm not surprised. That material is extremely soft. Less density means greater heat absorption and dissipation which would create the burnt rubber taste.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm not surprised. That material is extremely soft. Less density means greater heat absorption and dissipation which would create the burnt rubber taste.

It don’t think it has Anything to do with density of the material. Some materials have a taste and some don’t.

Also. When someone says they are getting a Bad Taste, there can be multiple causes. Poor Wicking, A Dirty Coil, Too High of Ohms, Black Rubber Seals, etc.

It is very easy, and tempting, to focus on One item and to say that this is the Cause of the Problem. Where in fact, there can be multiple things contributing to a problem.

 

[Crewsader]

Here is all you have to do.........Gather them all up and throw them in the trash. Those things are the worst things I have ever used. I wouldn't spend a penny on a hundred of them. Why would people waste their time modding something that should already work correctly when you purchase it that way? Whatta bunch of crap. I don't have to mod any other type of product that I buy to use it correctly.

 

[zoiDman]

Here is all you have to do.........Gather them all up and throw them in the trash. Those things are the worst things I have ever used. I wouldn't spend a penny on a hundred of them. Why would people waste their time modding something that should already work correctly when you purchase it that way? Whatta bunch of crap. I don't have to mod any other type of product that I buy to use it correctly.

Wow. No need to Sugar Coat it. Tell us what you Really think. LOL

The reason people will mod these CE2's is because for most people, a tuned up CE2 gives the BEST hit of ANY Atty/Carto currently on the market. Period.

But it sounds like they don't work for you.

To each their own.

 

[Olef]

Wow. No need to Sugar Coat it. Tell us what you Really think. LOL

The reason people will mod these CE2's is because for most people, a tuned up CE2 gives the BEST hit of ANY Atty/Carto currently on the market. Period.

But it sounds like they don't work for you.

To each their own.

+1 to zoiDman. Carto's, normal atty's, tank atty's, nothing comes close to the vapour and flavour I get off the XL CE2 once it has been adjusted and nothing comes close to the amount of time each one lasts with regular care and cleaning and the low cost. Nothing finer.

 

[Mindfield]

It don’t think it has Anything to do with density of the material. Some materials have a taste and some don’t.

Also. When someone says they are getting a Bad Taste, there can be multiple causes. Poor Wicking, A Dirty Coil, Too High of Ohms, Black Rubber Seals, etc.

It is very easy, and tempting, to focus on One item and to say that this is the Cause of the Problem. Where in fact, there can be multiple things contributing to a problem.

True enough, but when you get one bad aspect, then perform a modification and that aspect goes away then it's fairly safe to assume that what you did was the cause of the problem. Even after the donut mod there can still be wicking issues which does come with its own particular change of taste, which I'm getting on the one I'm using right now, so I think it has to be cleaned and dry burned.

Here is all you have to do.........Gather them all up and throw them in the trash. Those things are the worst things I have ever used. I wouldn't spend a penny on a hundred of them. Why would people waste their time modding something that should already work correctly when you purchase it that way? Whatta bunch of crap. I don't have to mod any other type of product that I buy to use it correctly.

Granted, they should work well out of the box, but my experience has been that they don't. However, when they're modded, they work amazingly. That's wy we spend time modding them. I've yet to have a cartomizer that can match the clean taste and vapor production of a properly modded Fluxomizer. I'd even go as far as to say that a well modded fluxomizer can be every bit as good as dripping, because once modded it's pretty much the same thing: A direct line from the wick and coil to your mouth.

 

[monarch79]

I agree with the black rubber bits effecting the flavor in a way that the white rubber bits didn't...

I've found that the best flavor, comes with taking out that cup seal, and reinserting so that it barely makes contact with the cup. Creating a seal around the edges, but keeping that rubber as far away as possible from the coil. It tastes better, but it's a pain in the ....

I just donut seal it for now... Until tomorrow, when my fix kits are here!

 

[Mindfield]

I agree with the black rubber bits effecting the flavor in a way that the white rubber bits didn't...

I've found that the best flavor, comes with taking out that cup seal, and reinserting so that it barely makes contact with the cup. Creating a seal around the edges, but keeping that rubber as far away as possible from the coil. It tastes better, but it's a pain in the ....

I just donut seal it for now... Until tomorrow, when my fix kits are here!

I assume you mean the Vision-type cup seal/mouthpiece? Let me know how they work out. I wasn't terribly impressed with the Vision Deux and still had to do a few mods to that to get it to vape somewhere within pitching distance of my standards. And I'm still considering doing a kind of "extreme" mod to mine (not like a Vision Extreme mod, but a mod that goes to slightly extreme lengths) because frankly I still find it a bit anemic and cool.

 

[gman1000]

I agree with the black rubber bits effecting the flavor in a way that the white rubber bits didn't...

I've found that the best flavor, comes with taking out that cup seal, and reinserting so that it barely makes contact with the cup. Creating a seal around the edges, but keeping that rubber as far away as possible from the coil. It tastes better, but it's a pain in the ....

I just donut seal it for now... Until tomorrow, when my fix kits are here!

m0dr0d & I eliminate the possibility of burnt rubber taste by not using any seals at all. I go a step further by trimming my old tubes so that drip tips fit in right over the cup. Good wicking, flavor, & vapor. The retrofits I'm sure will hopefully eliminate another factor that has plagued the Fluxo line & make them more user friendly. My 2¢.

 

[zoiDman]

I assume you mean the Vision-type cup seal/mouthpiece? Let me know how they work out. I wasn't terribly impressed with the Vision Deux and still had to do a few mods to that to get it to vape somewhere within pitching distance of my standards. And I'm still considering doing a kind of "extreme" mod to mine (not like a Vision Extreme mod, but a mod that goes to slightly extreme lengths) because frankly I still find it a bit anemic and cool.

I believe he is referring to the CE2 Seal/Mouthpiece.

BTW - What did you Vision Deux meter at ohm wise?

 

[scalewiz]

Been reading this thread about the mods using the inverted o-ring. I've always thought I might to try to find a small 0-ring to replace all these seals. Think I might run down to the store and look around. Or maybe someone has tried. Would an o-ring inserted between the cup and tube, just above the fluffed wicks, prevent leaking problems and problems with the rubber being too close to the coil?

Added: Might want to make sure that the o-ring is some type of silicone instead of common rubber to prevent weird tastes! And just a quick thought, how about the old white rings that were punched out just a tiny bit to wedge between the cup and tube?

 

[zoiDman]

Been reading this thread about the mods using the inverted o-ring. I've always thought I might to try to find a small 0-ring to replace all these seals. Think I might run down to the store and look around. Or maybe someone has tried. Would an o-ring inserted between the cup and tube, just above the fluffed wicks, prevent leaking problems and problems with the rubber being too close to the coil?

Added: Might want to make sure that the o-ring is some type of silicone instead of common rubber to prevent weird tastes! And just a quick thought, how about the old white rings that were punched out just a tiny bit to wedge between the cup and tube?

I'm not positive, but I think a #6 O-Ring works.

And yes, Silicone is the way to go.

 

[Mindfield]

I believe he is referring to the CE2 Seal/Mouthpiece.

Not the Vision "conversion" kits for the Fluxomizers? Or did Bad not get those in yet?

BTW - What did you Vision Deux meter at ohm wise?

3 and 3.1 for the two I got. Higher than I was expecting.

 

[scalewiz]

Got tired of thinking about it. Made me a little punch out of an old battery connector and punched out the center of one of the black seals. Saw someone else do this with a knife, but I can't see that good. Anyway, pulled out all the seals out of a fluxo and used this little homemade o-ring. Just started using it, but it seems to work and vape great. Never had too much problem out of the Reg. size fluxos anyway. Most of the problems I ever had was with the XL's. Will try it in one of the large units to see if the problem with halfway down wicking is any better.

 

[zoiDman]

Not the Vision "conversion" kits for the Fluxomizers? Or did Bad not get those in yet?



3 and 3.1 for the two I got. Higher than I was expecting.

Bad's got Conversion kits for Both the Vision and the CE2's

At 3.0~3.1ohms, I can see why the hit was mild on the Vision you tried. I think the ohms have been lowered on the Newest Visions's.

 

[BuddyGoodness]

I have never tried modding, looks pretty complicated though and requires a lot of time and effort and tools. Wish the items I bought worked out the box like they are supposed to. Wasted 80$ trying a bunch of gotvapes products and none of them were very good. So I am a little jaded, would like to get at least some of my money's worth out of them.

 

[badkolo]

I have never tried modding, looks pretty complicated though and requires a lot of time and effort and tools. Wish the items I bought worked out the box like they are supposed to. Wasted 80$ trying a bunch of gotvapes products and none of them were very good. So I am a little jaded, would like to get at least some of my money's worth out of them.

sorry to hear that, many people are not having these issues, people buy the ce2 and dont have many issues, the visions are issue free, the sapphires are easy to use, vortexs are easy to fill as well and vape great, if you spent 80 bucks it seems odd that nothing is working for you, you can ask for help here so we can guide you along, maybe your notusing things properly and thats what we are here for.

it cant be just me and a few others that open our products and dont have issues. We are here to help you

 

[Rule62]

I have never tried modding, looks pretty complicated though and requires a lot of time and effort and tools. Wish the items I bought worked out the box like they are supposed to. Wasted 80$ trying a bunch of gotvapes products and none of them were very good. So I am a little jaded, would like to get at least some of my money's worth out of them.

Many of us who are loyal CE2 users have learned from others on this forum about how to prepare our cartos for optimum vaping. We've all settled on our own method which works best for us. It's not that big a deal to spend a minute or two preparing a carto initially, for weeks of reliable use.