Followup on Johnson Creek’s New Ingredient Labeling

[Sun Vaporer]

When I posted that Johnson Creek was now listing all of their ingredients, some Members here, as well as myself, wondered what the letter and number meant on the bottom of the bottle. I said that I would e-mail them and followup . They did in fact respond very quickly by stating that these embossings are not connected with Johnson Creek or their products in any way. They think that they are simply product codes from the bottle manufacturers and have nothing to do with their product.

With reference to their new full disclosure ingredients label they replied that they were really pretty proud and believe that transparency is not only important but, should be a given, for any company who truly has their customer's well-being at heart and that one would expect no less from a bottle of ketchup or can of soda.

I whole hardly concur with Johnson Creek’s stance and contend that this type of full disclosure is a huge step in the right direction for all of us. A full thumbs up for Johnson Creek!!–Sun

 

[taz3cat]

I want to see the others label their e-liquids and the carts.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I want to see the others label their e-liquids and the carts.

That would hopefully be the direction that we are headed in now that Johnson Creek has stepped up to the Plate. --Sun

 

[BadAxe]

I am not dissing JC in anyway when I ask this. But do we know if the labels are accurate? Are they making their juice from scratch? I ask because when I google map (street view) their address its just a residence, and from what you good folk have stated, handling liquid nicotine is very very dangerous and should be done in lab settings. So if they are getting product from elsewhere, have we verified the ingredients in any of the juices so far?

Again, the above is NOT an accusation, just genuine questions of curiosity. Just seems among all this paranoia running rampant on both sides of this issue, I guess we need to be sure we know whats in it.

But if JC is accurately listing the ingredients, then hat off to them for a stand up job.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I am not dissing JC in anyway when I ask this. But do we know if the labels are accurate? Are they making their juice from scratch? I ask because when I google map (street view) their address its just a residence, and from what you good folk have stated, handling liquid nicotine is very very dangerous and should be done in lab settings. So if they are getting product from elsewhere, have we verified the ingredients in any of the juices so far?

Again, the above is NOT an accusation, just genuine questions of curiosity. Just seems among all this paranoia running rampant on both sides of this issue, I guess we need to be sure we know whats in it.

But if JC is accurately listing the ingredients, then hat off to them for a stand up job.

Maybe this will help you from their website:

At Johnson Creek, we make three very important promises to you:

First, we make our Johnson Creek Original Smoke Juice by hand one master batch at a time (60-64 FL OZ) and no batch, regardless of flavor, is kept for more than 48 hours. Ever. Further, we don't use chemicals you can’t pronounce just to artificially bolster our recipes that we should otherwise be able to make with completely safe ingredients. Whena you receive your delivery, you can be assured that the product is extremely fresh and of the highest quality. We’re kind of fanatical about that and after all, we’re making it for ourselves too!

That is good enough for me--Hope that helps--Sun

 

[smokingclam]

Just got some 36mg Tobacco from Totally Wicked and it also is listing ingrediants on the label.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Smoking Clam--that is great--how about a post with its ingrediants. We all would love to read it!!!--Thanks Sun

 

[smokingclam]

Here is a list of the 16 ingredients that is on the bottle. Not sure what some of this is but here goes...
1. tobacco essence oil <3%
2. tobacco lead oil <3%
3. nicotine (from tobacco leaf)<3%
4. 2,3,5, trimethylpyrazine<1%
5. 2,3,5,6, tetramethylpyrazine <1%
6. 2,3 dimethylpyrazine <1%
7. 2-acetypyrazine <1%
8. 2-methyl butyic acid <15
9. terp ineol <1%
10 ethyl maltol <1%
11. guaiacol <1%
12. acetyl pyridine <2%
13. octalactone(gamma)<1%
14. pure water<10%
15. propylene glycol >65%
16. glycerol <10%

Not sure on #11 as it was hard to read. Some scary sounding stuff but no worse than what is on some of the stuff we eat I guess.8-o

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Thanks for the post SmokingClam--Sun

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Here is a list of the 16 ingredients that is on the bottle. Not sure what some of this is but here goes...
1. tobacco essence oil <3%
2. tobacco lead oil <3%
3. nicotine (from tobacco leaf)<3%
4. 2,3,5, trimethylpyrazine<1%
5. 2,3,5,6, tetramethylpyrazine <1%
6. 2,3 dimethylpyrazine <1%
7. 2-acetypyrazine <1%
8. 2-methyl butyic acid <15
9. terp ineol <1%
10 ethyl maltol <1%
11. guaiacol <1%
12. acetyl pyridine <2%
13. octalactone(gamma)<1%
14. pure water<10%
15. propylene glycol >65%
16. glycerol <10%

Not sure on #11 as it was hard to read. Some scary sounding stuff but no worse than what is on some of the stuff we eat I guess.8-o

Just so there is not confusion--this is the list of ingredients from Totally Wicked--not Johnson Creek that I posted eariler. Thanks again Smoking Clam---Sun

 

[Sun Vaporer]

This is Johnson Creek's Ingredients: so as to not confuse:

Propylene glycerin ( in the PG formula),
Food Grade Vegetable Glycerin (in the Non-PG Formula),
natural and artificial flavors, tobacco essential oil (Virginia).
Tobacco Absolute (Burley),
citric acid,
lemon(<1%),
Vinegar (<1%),
distilled water.

Happy Vaping--Sun

 

[taz3cat]

Sun Vaporer what flavor was that , different ingrediants for different flavors.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun Vaporer what flavor was that , different ingrediants for different flavors.

Taz--that is the ingrediants for all of Johnson Creeks Juice--very few compared to what Clam posted below for Totally Wicked--Not sure what to make out of Totally Wicked's list --I am still looking up some of those ingredients because I am not familar with most of them save for the PG and Nic--Sun

 

[Jammi98]

I'm pretty sure you'll find the TW chemical sounding names are what JC just calls natural and artificial flavors.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I'm pretty sure you'll find the TW chemical sounding names are what JC just calls natural and artificial flavors.

Jamie--so far I have found that some of them have to do with alcohol bases which JC does not use--but you could be right on a few--I do not have a clue till I research it. If you look at the ingredient list on many flavorings they do not have a lot of what is listed here, so I what to check it out.--Sun

 

[BadAxe]

Maybe this will help you from their website:

At Johnson Creek, we make three very important promises to you:

First, we make our Johnson Creek Original Smoke Juice by hand one master batch at a time (60-64 FL OZ) and no batch, regardless of flavor, is kept for more than 48 hours. Ever. Further, we don't use chemicals you can’t pronounce just to artificially bolster our recipes that we should otherwise be able to make with completely safe ingredients. Whena you receive your delivery, you can be assured that the product is extremely fresh and of the highest quality. We’re kind of fanatical about that and after all, we’re making it for ourselves too!

That is good enough for me--Hope that helps--Sun

I read that as well, which made me look up their address in google maps, and street view. The house is a residence, not a place that looks like its setup with a lab. If he is making each batch by hand, is he dealing with liquid nicotene in a residence? Or if they are making their flavors based on an already manufactured nicotene (no flavor) juice, then we can't be sure the ingredients listed are accurate because we can't verify whats in the premade liquid. See what I am saying?

And look, I am probably nitpicking. I am not looking to rain on the parade in anyway. I think its a great step for the industry as well. But I do see a lot of question and a lot of caution around here, and its always good to ask the questions right? Well, thats all I am doing. I know nothing about liquid nicotene, but people here say a drop can kill you. If thats true, no way anyone should be handling that in a residence. So thats what raised my curiosity.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I read that as well, which made me look up their address in google maps, and street view. The house is a residence, not a place that looks like its setup with a lab. If he is making each batch by hand, is he dealing with liquid nicotene in a residence? Or if they are making their flavors based on an already manufactured nicotene (no flavor) juice, then we can't be sure the ingredients listed are accurate because we can't verify whats in the premade liquid. See what I am saying?

And look, I am probably nitpicking. I am not looking to rain on the parade in anyway. I think its a great step for the industry as well. But I do see a lot of question and a lot of caution around here, and its always good to ask the questions right? Well, thats all I am doing. I know nothing about liquid nicotene, but people here say a drop can kill you. If thats true, no way anyone should be handling that in a residence. So thats what raised my curiosity.

Very good point Bad Axe--I sure do not want to mess with Nicotine. I think after reading the posts it really does go to the concentration of Nicotine and only the manufactures know what they are doing (I hope!!!)--Sun

 

[Elle]

hmm, this as interesting thread!

i'm a newbie, but just from a business standpoint their physical address where they process orders from and such is not necessarily where they manufacture. they may have another residence, a warehouse, etc.

all very good points have been made though, and i'm happy that ingredients are being disclosed.

 

[Kate]

There's a thread here about the ingredients in some eliquids - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ion/2202-ingredients-cartridges-e-liquid.html

It would be interesting to see what is actually in Johnson Creek and the chemical names in the way Chinese manufacturers list them.

 

[Cuando]

Ah, just read Sun's post at the top of the page.

I do think they should list their ingredients on the site, though, as well as the bottles.