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[Necrotic]

Very good advice all around.
I did have vapours tongue for awhile, but like the suggestion of changing flavours to help.
WTA seems to help me put the ecig down, was amazed I watched an hour and half of TV and did not want a smoke or vape.

$5 for a pack of smokes? It is $11 in Edmonton!

Used to buy 3 packs for $11.65 of Marlboro special blend red's, so roughly $24 a week on analogs... very good price but got tired of everybody complaining about the smell and the all around badness of analogs.

 

[AndriaD]

First there is always some *&^% willing to point out the shortcomings and mistakes of others. I guess we now know who you are. Missed some punctuation So what. No harm meant there just pointing you out.

That said

The idea is to not be dependent on anything, do you plan to vape Nicotine for the rest of your life? I don't. The wait is to help wean down from dependent use, be it smokes or Nicotine vapor. By that statement you pointed out, I assumed most folks understood that, you not so much I guess. Vapping ones face off can lead to overdose of nicotine, at the very least some nice headaches and upset stomach. If that worked for you good, but I doubt it will work for the masses. Because something is low level doesn't make it any less dangerous if Abused. By your method I should be still smoking analogs, because You said yourself I cant be satisfied waiting. I assure you I am smoke free 3 weeks 5 days and I'm completely satisfied. The idea is to use the wait over a weeks time not in one day. I vape like I smoked when I want an analog I use my device, but I also try and wait to use it, so I will be using it less. I know its working for me as the device was in my face every half hour day one, now its every 3-4 hours and I'M SATISFIED 100%. Why? Because I use the Nic level I should I went from 24 to 18 to 12mg in 3 weeks time. I'm also spending lees each week on liquid. I'd be spending more, vaping all day long because the level isn't sufficiently helping me out, per your method.

Maybe you didn't understand we are trying to Quit smoking due to all the garbage were inhaling including the NICOTINE.

The point of written communication is to be understood. That's what punctuation marks are for, to make meaning clear.

Do I plan to vape the rest of my life? Yep, if it keep me from smoking or wanting to smoke, I'll vape till I'm blue in the face -- literally.

I loved smoking. I didn't want to quit at all. However, I have asthma, and I watched my dad die of lung cancer, so I knew that, like it or not, I had to give up cigarettes. Now I have, and I vape instead, and I don't even want to smoke, because I vape. Nicotine isn't going to kill me or significantly shorten my life, but it might just protect me from senile dementia (one of my grandmothers) or alzheimers (the other grandmother). Nicotine is not that dangerous, at low levels, much as caffeine is not terribly dangerous at low levels.

There is no "stigma" in using a particular drug for whatever good it may bring you -- the good that vaping brings me is that I don't have to withdraw *completely* from nicotine, though I certainly have cut down a great deal, even though, yes, I vape all the time, as much as I like. My asthma is dramatically improved in just 7 weeks, even though I can vape constantly, instead of running outdoors every half hour to suck down a ...., so no, it's not hurting me at all. I suffer from various physical symptoms that tell me very clearly that all this vaping is still only giving me maybe 1/2-2/3 of the nicotine I formerly received from cigarettes.

And last of all... I don't blame you for being hostile, and I would like to apologize for my rather intemperate attitude in my post to you; I wasn't very long out of bed, and after all this time of being online, I should know better than to try and communicate via any media when I am not yet fully awake, as I am not yet fully *human* in that state. I am very sorry for being such a beeyotch instead of actually *communicating* !!

However I do disagree with your approach; sure we all want to quit smoking cigarettes, they're lethal, but vapor is *harm reduction*, it may not be "100% safe" but it beats the living daylights out of smoking tobacco, and at low levels, may not be even as harmful as, say, a cup of brewed coffee -- I can't drink an entire cup of brewed coffee without suffering nausea, ........, stomach pain, and the "twitches" -- sounds a lot like nicotine OD, doesn't it? That's why I vape only between 6mg and 9mg, any more than that gives me nausea, ........, stomach pain, and the "twitches". But as much and as long as I need to vape in order to never crave cigarettes again, that's how much and how long I will vape. I am an addict by nature, a 21+ yr recovering alcoholic, and I know quite intimately that taking away the substance does not remove the addiction; it's still there, just waiting for "a momentary lapse of reason" if I may quote Pink Floyd. The only thing I'd have to do to become a smoker again, is stop vaping. The only thing I have to do to bring on a massive craving for a cigarette is go too long without vaping, and those cravings take a while to ease, since vapor is so much more slowly absorbed than smoke ever was.

But I surely did not mean to be so hostile about it. Maybe I was still in my early morning craving phase; jonesing for nicotine in the morning is every bit as bad as jonesing for that first cup of [coffee, tea, etc].

Andria

 

[epicdoom]

Its all good love. I did say in the original post (it may not work for everyone, it has worked for me). I am onboard with the thought of having to use Nicotine the rest of my life, but I'm hopping I can quit all together. If I end up at 1mg addicted and cant kick it then looks like I vape forever. I know in my heart I can quit though, once I get down so far.
I'm not only addicted to nicotine. I am recovering 3 year addict CDS drug I wont mention, I'm clean for 4 years from that. I stopped that cold and went through living hell doing it. Cant tell you how appealing it was to eat a copper jacketed lead pill and how close I came to doing just that. Was it my choice to be addicted to that crap, nope came home from the war injured and medicated stayed medicated to ease to pain then medicated just to feel normal. Turned my life, my family's life upside down.
I kicked that part of my life rite in the azz, I'm determined to kick this part also. I want no addictive drugs in my life anymore. I have a new Grandson I need to be able to keep up with, he's gonna be my new best buddy fishing and hunting partner. I'm a tuff old Marine I'm Improvising, adapting and I will overcome. Sorry about any misunderstanding. what I posted was how I been getting through it, the things I have done /still do. Its another option for folks to try as apposed to giving in to cigarettes. I will never put another one of those things in my face ever again. I'm ugly enough and the new found energy is starting to grow on me.

 

[supertrunker]

The nicotine is not the addictive part at all and there are good reasons for using it regardless, since there are indications that it helps stave off Alzheimer's and ......oh yeah Parkinson's judging by some studies.

If you agree that vaping is 99% less dangerous than smoking and again, this stuff is widely touted as such, then there is really no need to stop vaping at all. Stopping smoking will be regarded by my family as the turning point, since they can expect another 40 years of torment!

T

 

[kachuge]

I'm quite happy with vaping myself...... was a smoker of analogs for over 30 years, tried to quit a number of times....... used all the methods out there...... only thing that has worked and given me confidence that i'm never going back is vaping....

vaping may not be 100% safe, but I would be it's a hell of a lot safer than smoking analogs....

that's enough for me

g

 

[grannykimmy]

People talk about their ADV (All Day Vape)
This for some reason works for a few.
But ... sooner or later here comes the vapers tongue.

As long as you are switching flavors throughout the day, you don't have to worry about it.
I have 4 different mods going with 4 different flavors and I only use one for about 5 minutes before I grab a different one.

What happens is the "flavor" really comes from your nose (olfactory glands).
You mouth only tastes sweet, sour etc.
Like having a cold and you can't taste the flavors.
Anyway .. using the same flavor all day gets boring to your mind, and it then shuts the flavor out, like white noise.

Have you every been in a house with an unpleasant odor? ...
Have you noticed that if you stayed there long enough, you didn't notice it anymore ??
Same thing ... brain gets bored with the same-o.. same-o and turns it off.

Some people lose it for days, some for weeks.
There are things you can do to shock the glands back into service, like taking the lid off of the coffee can, and breathing the fresh fumes of ground coffee, scrubbing you teeth and tongue, eating hot peppers, sipping pickle juice ... vapers have tried it all.

Just keep a rotation going and you'll be fine.
Variety makes for better vaping anyway.

This is the same way flavored lip balms work. They flavor comes from the smell lip balms and chap sticks are only sweetened, you taste whatever flavor it is because of the smell. I have wondered if e-juice works the same way.

 

[Bernard Marx]

I'm glad everybody made up, I was starting to get a stomach ache.

 

[pressman57]

I'm glad everybody made up, I was starting to get a stomach ache.

Yeah huh?

Sorry...

Yeah,huh?

 

[AndriaD]

I'm glad everybody made up, I was starting to get a stomach ache.

The whole world is better off if I clam up for at least an hour after waking!

I've experienced the vaper's tongue only minimally, and frankly mostly when I was using the eRoll, cigalike; that thing really mutes flavors, and just doesn't have enough power to really make much vapor. Since I switched to the non-cigalike-type, I really haven't had much of an issue with taste, although I do chase throat hit like it's my long lost lover. Drinking enough water seems to help, but "enough" seems to be "half a lake", it seems like. I'm just starting to get my feet wet a little with rebuilding coils, my T3S's and protank coils, but once I get the hang of that, I might get one of those Kayfuns, I hear they provide a LOT of flavor.

I accepted a basic fact a long time ago: once an addict, always an addict. I'm still a drunk, even if I haven't BEEN drunk in nearly 22 yrs, and that will never change, no matter how many years go by. Cigarette smoking is to me a far more fundamental addiction; I did it everyday, all the time, for 39 yrs -- I only drank for about 14 years before I had almost completely trashed my liver -- and I don't think that an addiction that persisted for 3/4 of my entire life is going to be easily set aside. But as long as I'm vaping, I'm happy, not craving, and the simple fact of quitting the cigarettes has done more for my self-esteem and self-respect than 3 years of Effexor ever thought about doing for me.

Andria

 

[epicdoom]

I wish I could say Nic helps with Parkinson's I have a the beginning stages of that. After smoking 30+ years I cant honestly agree with that so much. Alzheimer's not real clear there as well every woman in my wife's family grandmother, mother, two aunts and sister has died from that all heavy smokers. I'm not understanding the nic not being addictive. I realize there are other factors involved, habit being a major part of it all. But its the nicotine I'm still getting from vaping that's keeping me happy for now. I know this because I tried just smoking no Nic juice for 2 days and was going crazy, night sweats, buzzy head, insomnia, intolerance to anything/anyone. I remember those feelings from another Addiction I had. Not saying what your saying isn't true. I am assuming based on how I feel trying to quit and all I heard about it being addictive.

 

[jephersun]

I experience vaper's tongue quite easily. It sucks because I still have so many juices I never touched after using it a couple times. I'll try to go back to them, but as a beginner vaper I noticed I always want to try new flavors.

 

[pressman57]

I'm a nicotine addict. That's where I'm at. Have been since 1969. I probably always will be. I'm cool with that. I've simply chosen a less dangerous nicotine delivery device.

 

[pressman57]

I'm glad everybody made up, I was starting to get a stomach ache.

Yeah huh?

Sorry...Yeah,huh?

 

[epicdoom]

Andrea I agree once an addict always an addict. But I do believe in the saying recovering addict Not a day goes by I don't think about it But its getting easier to dismiss as I find new ventures in my life. I have many hobbies. I build Micro 1/72 scale RC planes, I build the electronics do the programming and get the tiny 6" wingspan plane flying under RC control. I also race RC trucks. I have a Machine shop in my garage and a class III weapons permit so I make parts for my firearms, And I love shooting. I hunt, Fish, Camp, Hike and ride my Harley to far away destinations. I have the need something to do with my mind and hands thing covered. lol I just need to get my body to accept the fact I can live without things that aren't good for me. You had to give up drinking so you know exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[TuTu25]

Ok I have been smoke free for 3 weeks and 3 days I have been vaping that long. I have learned a couple things I'd like to share that hopefully will help some folks who are quitting smoking. First and foremost you have to want to quit there is no magic device or juice However Vaping is as close as I have found to actually smoking. This stuff works for me and is worth a try as apposed to giving in to smoking. There are gonna be a few rough patches and sometimes your device may fail to satisfy your cravings, when that happens to me I use a hard lung hit to get through that, from that I also end up with a good throat hit, what I do is breath in the vapor directly into my lungs and I do it for an entire inhale, This works for me just about every time. You can also hold the vapor in your mouth a few seconds longer to let the Nicotine absorb better. I have a small 3ml bottle of 24mg nic that I keep for times when I just don't seem to get enough all other times I'm using 12mg I also use the 24mg in my dripper unit. usually 4-5 good hits and I'm good to go.


There will be a point where the flavor of juice your using will no longer appeal to you this is known as vapors tongue, There are 2 things you can do about this. One is change to another flavor you really like. Second is to buy a dripper or RDA and use a strong tasting flavor. I like Black licorice its very strong and will cover any flavor you can think off. Most strong mint flavors will do the same. I use the dripper for an hour then I can return to my normal vaping flavor and enjoy its goodness once again.

The last part is a mental game try to wait as long as you can before using your device try waiting an extra 15 min then half an hour then an hour and so on when things seem to be closing in remember how much time you have under your belt thus far is it worth giving that up, that's time you cant get back. don't let go of it get online read some of the forum threads here that will occupy you mind and give your hands something to do and by all means Vape while you do it. before you know it it's bed time Pat yourself on the back my friend you now have another day under your belt.


I'm not an expert by any means but I have been smoke free for the longest time in my 48 year old life. Most times I couldn't get past 2 days. I smoked for 30+ years with the last year smoking 2.5-3 packs a day like clockwork. It's caused 2 heart attacks and other medical issues for me. I can honestly say I have the smoking licked I'm working on giving up the nicotine now but honestly I don't care if I have that addiction so long as I'm not inhaling all the really bad crap from cigs. I will keep at it though till I'm down to 1Mg nic then just vape no nic juice to see if I get through it.

Again folks this is what works for me I hope some of you can take away something from it to help yourselves or ever use the info for your own ideas at any rate I wish you the best of luck on your journey to getting your life back.


Joe

Hey Fellow Marylander,

I too just quit 7 weeks ago after 30 years. And I too had a heart attack just 2 years ago. I appreciate everything you mentioned in your post. Great Advice. We are on our way to a healthier us and it feels great doesn't it!! What an accomplishment! Only wish they had more
vape shops here in Maryland.

 

[TuTu25]

Good story Joe and I am glad you have found a way. This is an inspiration to me personally. I thought I had cigs beat, but they still have a hold on me. 30 year smoker 2 to 2 1/2 packs a day. I will try your technique.

Thanks again!

Keep trying Walt. One day...One day!

 

[epicdoom]

sure does feel good the best thing I ever did was go into the vapor shop, I wasn't going to thinking about all the let down I had from the Blu e cig, but I saw 2 people outside billowing vapor. I was like what, huh, how the hell is that possible. Turned my truck around and asked some questions went home did some research for about a week and off to the brick and mortor I went.

Oh there are a number of shops here and more opening up soon what part of Maryland you in?

 

[AussieVS]

Great advice EpicDoom.

 

[TuTu25]

sure does feel good the best thing I ever did was go into the vapor shop, I wasn't going to thinking about all the let down I had from the Blu e cig, but I saw 2 people outside billowing vapor. I was like what, huh, how the hell is that possible. Turned my truck around and asked some questions went home did some research for about a week and off to the brick and mortor I went.

Oh there are a number of shops here and more opening up soon what part of Maryland you in?

Southern Maryland - Solomons Island - Lusby area. I know there are shops in Baltimore and in DC, but that's a hike for me.

 

[Hoodrat573]

I have smoked for about 10 years, over a pack a day I've been wanting to quit for a long time, to get in better shape and be around for my kids, I have tried the cig looking e-cigs and the blus but they didn't work for me untill I got my ego-t then went to a itaste vv & mvp and now I'm venturing into dripping with my k100 and I love it, I find myself chain vaping a lot at work or when I'm bored but I have been smoke free for about 3 months now!


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