Fox News Does Piece on Vaping - 2/22/14

[Kent C]

Excellent, Kent C. And you may have noticed that online articles on ecigs (or smoking or tobacco) usually carry ads for BP NRTs and for Smoke-Free [insert state here], which somebody is paying for. Lots of BP and MSA money in online ads too.

Yeah, it's like bacon and eggs - they must have a contract with certain sites... is my guess. Perhaps we should have gov't monitors at each network station and website deciding what can be run as a news story and what can't.... Wait! That was just proposed by the Obama administration....

More negativity from Fox News:

Is Obama Trying To Kill A Free Press? - Fox Nation

 

[Mutescream]

Make no mistake - FOX has a right wing agenda, and they've laid claim to vaping as smoking (vaping?) gun for Dem nanny statehood. I don't think it's as much about our heath as much as it is about a deep seeded resentment based on party lines (and, hey, I don't have a dog in that fight).

I'm not being cynical, and only too happy that we get some pro-vaping media time. I'm just a little worried that this gets stacked on other rights issues such as gun control and abortion (I've seen all three mashed together in one FOX report, like they're one continuum) as a political argument.

OP, thanks for sharing.

Hm. When you get to the core, it really does come just down to whether you support the concept of a libertarian culture. I would call myself a classical liberal, but the word liberal has been ridden almost as roughly and mistreated as the commerce clause has been to justify all kinds of absurd incursions upon our liberties (by both parties). The government should stay out of our lives, until people actually incur upon the freedoms of others. No one should be penalized for what they might do, but I'm all for penalizing people for trodding upon the freedom of others.

I digress.

Just as it is hypocritical for republicans to play the morality card, and then get caught doing immoral things... It's equally absurd and asinine for democrats to claim they are for freedom, when they are only for freedom when it makes them comfy to do so. Sorry, freedom involves risks and isn't all warm and fuzzy.

None of the "media outlets" is without shame in misleading us. They're not "news" (and haven't been for a long time). They're "news entertainment", which lovingly strokes our confirmation biases and gives us a quaint conceit about our biases against our fellow human beings.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

I like your idea of a "Big" moniker for what I call the alphabets (charities), but I'm afraid BCC will be confused with "bottom coil changeable" (if you hover your mouse over BCC on this forum, that's how it's defined), or "bottom coil clearomizers" as I call them.

I've seen them lumped in with the ANTZ as Big Control, but that's something else again, really. Thinking.... thinking....

ETA: How about simply BC (Big Charities)? Still thinking....

BCrC??

Big Corrupt Charities

 

[AgentAnia]

BCrC??

Big Corrupt Charities

Big Corruption would certainly be accurate! (That way, it would include non-charities like Legacy and RWJF.) Or BNP (Big Non-Profits)? Change Big Control to TC (Tobacco Control) to avoid confusion.

Or BA (Big ANTZ)...

The mind just went into overdrive...

 

[Kent C]

Coming up at Fox News - Stossel on ecigs..... 5:42PM EST in next segment..... Uh... looks like it was a SMALL segment

 

[Katya]

Coming up at Fox News - Stossel on ecigs..... 5:42PM EST in next segment..... Uh... looks like it was a SMALL segment

Small but positive.

And he vaped.

 

[Katya]

WOW Can't believe Fox would aire something good about esmokes. They usually seem to be negative towards most things in this world.

Ahem. That is not accurate. Fox's coverage has been consistently positive toward vaping--from Stossel's interview with SmokStik CEO two years ago to Gutfeld most recently.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2011/11/10/fda-kills-smokers#ixzz1dJc6TyFn

 

[Katya]

Three years ago...

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

Ahem. That is not accurate. Fox's coverage has been consistently positive toward vaping--from Stossel's interview with SmokStik CEO two years ago to Gutfeld most recently.

Stossel from Nov. 2011 - calling the FDA out a long time ago:
FDA Kills Smokers - John Stossel - Page full

Greg Gutfeld - one of many many from him - and hilarious too boot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvyN7YTPdaY#t=80
(Just wish he would modify his 'just water' statement)

 

[Katya]

(Just wish he would modify his 'just water' statement)

I agree.

But heck, there's plenty of water in vapor.

 

[wv2win]

WOW Can't believe Fox would aire something good about esmokes. They usually seem to be negative towards most things in this world.

Wow, how uninformed can you be?? Fox has been the ONLY major news organization going back to 2011 to consistently provide overwhelming positive reporting on vaping. Their competitors, however, have been overly negative about vaping. I guess the brainwashing has really been effective.

 

[wv2win]

Fox News Channel seems to be in favor of e-cigarettes, and our rights. All in all a good interview with a psychiatrist specializing in addiction.

Thank you for providing us this positive reporting on vaping by Fox News. If it wasn't for Fox, there would be almost no positive and fair reporting on vaping at the national level.

 

[wv2win]

As much as I appreciate that Fox News is mainly pro-vaping in their stories, I would like to sBPee someone on their network break a story about the link between all the recent legislation and BP. I really don't think this will happen though, as I'm sure their BP advertisers would pull their ads (and their money) so quick that poor old Rupert would probably have to sell one of his private jets.

BP's advertising money in relation to FOX isn't a factor IMO. Fox has the largest share of the viewing market for news. BP can't afford to ignore that market by pulling a stunt like that.

But if anyone will get to the connection between BP and the anti-vaping campaigns, it will be Fox and probably John Stossel. It will NEVER happen at NBC, MSNBC, etc.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

Three years ago...

Thank you Katya!

As usual, a well done piece by Stossel!

Didn't know that about California's original ban. I like Stossel's observation that Governor Terminator (couldn't even begin to spell Arnold's last name!) actually did do something right. (funny)

And for bonus content, there's this piece of 100% accurate future event predictions from 174 years ago:

Alexis De Tocqueville - "Democracy In America", 1840

A network of small, complicated rules. It does not break wills, but softens them. It does not tyrannize, it hinders, represses, stupefies, and finally it reduces each nation to being nothing more than a flock of timid animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

 

[Ohms Lawbreaker]

FOX smells advertising dollars just down the road.

 

[Anjaffm]

great video, thank you for sharing it!

 

[rothenbj]

Thank you Katya!

As usual, a well done piece by Stossel!

Didn't know that about California's original ban. I like Stossel's observation that Governor Terminator (couldn't even begin to spell Arnold's last name!) actually did do something right. (funny)

And for bonus content, there's this piece of 100% accurate future event predictions from 174 years ago:

Alexis De Tocqueville - "Democracy In America", 1840

A network of small, complicated rules. It does not break wills, but softens them. It does not tyrannize, it hinders, represses, stupefies, and finally it reduces each nation to being nothing more than a flock of timid animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

Pretty impressive thought process rather shortly after independence and over 170 years ago.

 

[Anjaffm]

Alexis De Tocqueville - "Democracy In America", 1840

A network of small, complicated rules. It does not break wills, but softens them. It does not tyrannize, it hinders, represses, stupefies, and finally it reduces each nation to being nothing more than a flock of timid animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

Pretty impressive thought process rather shortly after independence and over 170 years ago.

Yup.
And every bit of it has come true. We can see the result today.
Not only in America, but Europe is following suit.

Just look at the Tobacco Products Directive which the EU is trying to push through at the moment.
Including a de-facto ban of all e-cigarettes that are currently on the market. Aimed at protecting the interests of Big Tobacco and Big Pharma - but "sold" as "necessary regulation" to allegedly "protect consumers" from the oh-so-horrible dangers of e-cigarettes. "We don't know what's in them" - and "we" most certainly do not make any effort to find out. Instead, "we" ignore all the numerous studies to the contrary. Which have been presented to "us" by various individuals, even hand-delivered in printed form. So that "we" can happily throw consumers under the bus and protect the financial interests of Big Industry.

As an individual, a citizen, a human being - and one that would be directly affected by such a ban - I have been fighting this proposed de-facto ban and its blatant disregard for human lives. And I have seen the hinders, represses, stupefies in action. It is death by a thousand cuts. And leads to complete disillusionment with any nonsense that we were ever taught about "democracy". There IS no democracy. It is not desired.

Alexis De Tocqueville was correct.

 

[Kent C]

FOX smells advertising dollars just down the road.

And ABCNBCCBSCNNMSLSD has sinus problems. So I guess Stossel, Gutfeld, and several others on Fox who have had positive pieces on ecigs, were just shilling for advertising dollars (or forced to by Rupert), and it has nothing to do with their known aversion to big gov't, overreaching regulations, and their stance on individual rights and liberties..... interesting take.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

FOX smells advertising dollars just down the road.

And I'd expect it to smell like cinnamon rolls; cotton candy; caramelized bananas; or my favorite: coffee, caramel & toasted marshmallow!