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My stone one lasted two days because the threads on the bottom base were defective. At least you got a week for your 10 bucks
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I agree 110% with what you are saying. Since that could/likely happen samples from the "to sell" products need to go through another round of testing to insure the ones from the larger order work the same or better than the final release canidate. This adds cost that GotVapes would likely have to absorb which would be passed down to us unless the contract with the factory was written to cover the extra costs. IT is the fatory's responsibility to do all the testing not GotVapes. IF the factory fails to do this 1 time they should be dropped.
If GotVapes did all this extra testing the prices for the products would be higher. Most people want things to be as low cost as possible. Personally I wouldn't mind paying more for a product that worked like it should out of the box and lasted a few weeks. I was at Costco last weekend and was in the checkout line right by where they have all the ciggs and glanced over to see a carton of ciggs cost $50 now and if someone smokes a pack a day that is $5 per day to use something that will likely end up causing deadly health problems, not to mention higher cost of health insurance.
Well on fill number 12 now and not a problem, this one did dump 1 time over night for no reason but has been fine after that. My second one is stil going strong after 7 fills, i hope the problems get resolved. I think im going to purchase a few more.
I've had half a dozen or more major dumps, and I am still considering buying a couple more. When they aren't dumping, they're really awesome! I haven't had the dry hit problem...a couple of primer puffs seems to solve that for me.
I know that I will buy more if GV gets more in. Still waiting to try the Phoenix.
Woo hoo! I filled my second one up to test! Fantastic. I'm becoming a pro at filling these things. I can have an empty one full and vaping in less than 2 minutes.
Then guess what happened as I was enjoying some Big Bang Theory? Yes sir, she poured all over the desk top. No rhyme or reason. This is silly.
I am very interested in the phoenix line, but I will now pass on it. Testing must be done before selling these things is how I now feel. Absorbing costs? How much cost is involved sending 5-10 units out to your most unbiased reviewers? That's correct, not much. SteelJan had the phoenix reviewed before most had rec'd there C8s I believe.
$10 is nothing compared to what folks like me paid for analogs, so please don't take me wrong. Its a relative thing. If a carto is less than $2 each and lasts me about a week before it starts tasting funny, or Stardust at $6 each, then this $10 lasts less than a week, its relatively expensive.
Now its $25 down the drain. If the random dump hasn't happened to you, it eventually will.
Then guess what happened as I was enjoying some Big Bang Theory? Yes sir, she poured all over the desk top. No rhyme or reason. This is silly.
I am very interested in the phoenix line, but I will now pass on it. Testing must be done before selling these things is how I now feel. Absorbing costs? How much cost is involved sending 5-10 units out to your most unbiased reviewers? That's correct, not much. SteelJan had the phoenix reviewed before most had rec'd there C8s I believe.
$10 is nothing compared to what folks like me paid for analogs, so please don't take me wrong. Its a relative thing. If a carto is less than $2 each and lasts me about a week before it starts tasting funny, or Stardust at $6 each, then this $10 lasts less than a week, its relatively expensive.
Now its $25 down the drain. If the random dump hasn't happened to you, it eventually will.
After vaping the Phoenix for the whole day, I switched back to the C8. I have to admit, the C8 does have a better vapor, and just as good flavor, but the Phoenix hasn't leaked on me, and is easier to work on. I have been trying to get it to leak too. Plus, you get 5 to the pack.
I see there being a market for both, but they are supposed to be getting a 3.5ML (not positive on the .5) version of the Phoenix. If it has a larger coil and base, I can't see it not being better than the C8 though. Although, they can always screw that one up, and the C8 will still rule.
I've had to try, in order to get my C8s to leak. And it is the same as others too. But, there are many people having issues too. Looking at the design, the C8 is much more complicated than the Phoenix, which makes QC harder. It also means that the Phoenix will probably have less QC issues.
I see there being a market for both, but they are supposed to be getting a 3.5ML (not positive on the .5) version of the Phoenix. If it has a larger coil and base, I can't see it not being better than the C8 though. Although, they can always screw that one up, and the C8 will still rule.
I've had to try, in order to get my C8s to leak. And it is the same as others too. But, there are many people having issues too. Looking at the design, the C8 is much more complicated than the Phoenix, which makes QC harder. It also means that the Phoenix will probably have less QC issues.
I can see that. C8s are really easy to tear down and clean, IMO. The seem fairly simple. I fix things for a living, so I can usually figure out how things work even though I've never seen them before.
This was just a silly dump though. I had it filled and was using it. Sat it down for 2 hours during my daughter's softball practice. Vaped it on the way home. Sat it down for 30 minutes to eat. Vaped it a few times and set it on the desk. Came back in 10 minutes and the juice was everywhere but in the C8.
This was just a silly dump though. I had it filled and was using it. Sat it down for 2 hours during my daughter's softball practice. Vaped it on the way home. Sat it down for 30 minutes to eat. Vaped it a few times and set it on the desk. Came back in 10 minutes and the juice was everywhere but in the C8.
Oh, and I think it was upset with the juice I used. GP Juicy Fruit, which tastes like .... rolled up in a wet tarp that's set out in the desert heat for many moons. That stuff is the most horrible excuse for a juice. I was hoping it would disappear anyway, just not make a mess like that.
Guys, I believe that GV sent out some C8s for testing, but sending out 5 or 10 may not have even shown issues. They sold 300 SS, and 100 PW. Of those, how many people are complaining about issues. If we could up all of the ones with issues that people have, do we have may 12... 20 at the most? This is out of 400.
Now, if this were a $2 item, we wouldn't care so much. This stings more, since they are $10 each. So, maybe GV should bring in higher priced items in smaller lots. Maybe pick up 50 or 75, limit them to 1 each, and do a "beta trial price" or something.
Just a suggestion.
Now, if this were a $2 item, we wouldn't care so much. This stings more, since they are $10 each. So, maybe GV should bring in higher priced items in smaller lots. Maybe pick up 50 or 75, limit them to 1 each, and do a "beta trial price" or something.
Just a suggestion.
+1. This wouldn't have been too bad a boondoggle if we were talking stardust prices. On the other hand, If Bad and Co. pulled a few and tried them, and all worked well, how would they know there were some QC issues? IMO a "beta - priced - trial" run may not be a bad plan in the future.
I'm going back to Stardusts for now, and haven't even used all my C8's. I bought 5 of them and have used two because i don't have the syringe to fill it with; it's a pain and juice gets everywhere. Going to place an order for more Stardusts and a couple syringes to use on the C8's. I just love how the Stardust is a cinch to fill and clean and they last a long time.
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There is one point about the C8 They can be rebuilt fairly easy .Everything is where you can get to it.
LordDavon,
I understand what you are trying to say but you can't assume the numbers in that manner... People often don't often report success's or even failure's ( though they are more apt to report a failure )... Even if we count who has and who hasn't had issues that have been reported here up till now... it won't be accurate since it is still a greater chance that someone would report a failure.
The only method, which would still be flawed, would be if GV emailed all that purchased and asked them if they worked properly or not... Even then I doubt they would get a significant enough response to draw a reliable conclusion.
Randy
Well, Like I and many others have said before, they work great when they work. I haven't left mine laying with a good amt of fluid in them as I usually vape it until empty. The major issue I'm having is the filling with the bottle. When I'm filling a lot of it comes right back out of the other small hole on the top. I don't know if it's the pressure inside the tube or what, but that really annoys me, because it's wasting precious juice. If you drip you understand that the juice that comes back out is quite a few drips. I've only had a couple times where the tank mysteriously half-emptied when I set it down for a minute, but otherwise once the juice is in mine they work fine for the most part. It's a really good device, I would buy more if/when they work out the QC thing.
Sethenes,
As mentioned several times in the thread... It is believed that the best method to fill is by using a syringe with the C8 held inverted ( 510 connector up ) ... This is how other similar types of clearo's with the same type of sealing system use...
Hope that helps with your fill issues...
Randy
As mentioned several times in the thread... It is believed that the best method to fill is by using a syringe with the C8 held inverted ( 510 connector up ) ... This is how other similar types of clearo's with the same type of sealing system use...
Hope that helps with your fill issues...
Randy
I've only had one dump, and I have to say, the flavor on these things is the cleanest, most robust flavor I have exerienced on anything. The dump issue is a big deal, don't get me wrong, but everytime I hit this bad boy, I can't help thinking it's not a deal breaker. I love the c8, and if the QC is brought under control, I can imagine using these exclusively. (But I'll still be trying the Phoenix)
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