Frustrated by lack of VG product knowledge. Advice sought.

[donna_]

FYI I Vape my 100% VG liquids using a UDCT Carto tank, works great, I also use the smok dual coil 5 ml carto's.

Protank II works as well, I tried on my iclear30 but didn't wick well.

Yes u can thin premixed juice by adding a few drops of distilled water.

Of course u can always get into dripping.

I have to look up what dripping is. I think I'm going to try Bose attys...if I'm spelling that right. I see mixed reviews on Pro Tank but that would be handy as the atty head is now the same for the Evod ...and I think I can crank that one up more, maybe not.

had that problem as a newbie, which is why I went to bottom feeders entirely....vape directly off atty.

Now people use RBAs but you can still use regular BF atty and/or shorty cartos.

Edit: I figured out what RBA and BF was. I accidently ordered XL atomizers and tried smoking from one to try a new flavor and it was a good vape! (good Kanger atty) but I don't know how to do it regularly. I was afraid I'd get burnt filter. I was looking for something not too expensive that was like a cigarette... size. But wanted to get what I had (clearomizer and tank) sorted out first.

How bad off are you? I mean your PG issue - honest!

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If you want to try them out let me know and I can fill you in on how to work the best deal on a sampler first time order.

After reading some of Lori's blog I may be worse than I thought. I only attributed some symptoms, including chest tightness with one puff of 60/40 -- and I diluted it later with VG...same problem. Mouth/throat problems, and feeling sick. I have other symptoms she listed too. I guess you'd say that is bad? LOL But when my stuff has clogged I have smoked it anyway... it seems my body is conditioning to it -- though I feel worse the next day, depending on how much I used.

I was just over an illness when I first used it. I still might take you up on the offer. I am even feeling kinda sickly on Johnson Creek's stuff but I think it is because the nic mg is too high. My orig. vendor of PG/VG makes 15mg which seems perfect. 12mg is too light for me and I chain vape it -- but I didn't have ill effect from that product. I ordered from that vendor today.

If I could condition myself it would be great to go to 20/80 or something PG/VG.

 

[MichieA]

That makes sense. I have to have alcohol-free products though. :-/ Good tip for someone else...I imagine it might work better than water.

Hi Donna! Welcome to the club
You might look into virgin vapor's absolutely virgin line of flavors - no pg, no alcohol, organic ingredients. And IMHO very yummy flavors. I didn't think I'd be into fruity flavors when I started, but their strawberry granita is so delicious - tastes like fresh, ripe strawberry - I got a big bottle when my sample ran out. I also find that virgin's liquids work well in my Ce4 and vivi nova (top coil) clearos where others like heathers heavenly Vapes do not wick as well and are better in bottom coils like evod. Good luck to you!

 

[donna_]

Some people suggested dilution. MyVaporStore recommended adding 2-3 drops of distilled water to a 30ml bottle and shaking well. Not sure what I'm suppose to do with a 15ml bottle -- 1 1/2? In any case, how does that sound?

I hate to risk a big bottle like that...I was going to try it per clearo fill, but maybe that route is better.

Is there any chance of altering the product taste or vapor, going that route?

They seem to know their stuff and make good notes on their products. They could well have tried to sell me something, as I asked for a recommendation. They said, they usually don't recommend changing the hardware. Interesting.

Hi Donna! Welcome to the club
You might look into virgin vapor's absolutely virgin line of flavors - no pg, no alcohol, organic ingredients. And IMHO very yummy flavors. I didn't think I'd be into fruity flavors when I started, but their strawberry granita is so delicious - tastes like fresh, ripe strawberry - I got a big bottle when my sample ran out. I also find that virgin's liquids work well in my Ce4 and vivi nova (top coil) clearos where others like heathers heavenly Vapes do not wick as well and are better in bottom coils like evod. Good luck to you!

Thank you. Unfortunately I don't even like real fruit unless it's in a pie occasionally...I know that is bad. I'm guessing vegetable flavor would be bad. lol I do want to check out the Viva at some point...I want more flavor and maybe the wicking is better.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Some people suggested dilution. MyVaporStore recommended adding 2-3 drops of distilled water to a 30ml bottle and shaking well. Not sure what I'm suppose to do with a 15ml bottle -- 1 1/2? In any case, how does that sound?

I hate to risk a big bottle like that...I was going to try it per clearo fill, but maybe that route is better.

Is there any chance of altering the product taste or vapor, going that route?

They seem to know their stuff and make good notes on their products. They could well have tried to sell me something, as I asked for a recommendation. They said, they usually don't recommend changing the hardware. Interesting.



Thank you. Unfortunately I don't even like real fruit unless it's in a pie occasionally...I know that is bad. I'm guessing vegetable flavor would be bad. lol I do want to check out the Viva at some point...I want more flavor and maybe the wicking is better.

Do you have a dropper. Perhaps for a child or a pet? If not, and you have an empty visine bottle or something similar that can do drop by drop, go ahead and try per refill of carto. Only 1 tiny drop of distilled water. Then if it tastes funny, either vape thru it and try it per bottle or pour it out and again try per bottle. One drop in 10- ml is really the best. Make sure you shake really well, as vg takes longer to mix it in with the juice because of the thickness. Worth a shot...


ps. and since you really can't do 1 1/2 drops and if 1 drop isn't cutting it, then after trying the one drop, if it just isn't quite there then add the second. Better to do less and add, because there is no undo once the 2nd drop is in there....

 

[Racehorse]

100% VG and no PG added juices are very plentiful now compared to over a year ago. You can pretty much have your choice of vendors

I was very tired all the time from PG, and I hate the taste of it anyway

 

[Rickajho]

Some people suggested dilution. MyVaporStore recommended adding 2-3 drops of distilled water to a 30ml bottle and shaking well. Not sure what I'm suppose to do with a 15ml bottle -- 1 1/2? In any case, how does that sound?

I hate to risk a big bottle like that...I was going to try it per clearo fill, but maybe that route is better.

Is there any chance of altering the product taste or vapor, going that route?

They seem to know their stuff and make good notes on their products. They could well have tried to sell me something, as I asked for a recommendation. They said, they usually don't recommend changing the hardware. Interesting.



Thank you. Unfortunately I don't even like real fruit unless it's in a pie occasionally...I know that is bad. I'm guessing vegetable flavor would be bad. lol I do want to check out the Viva at some point...I want more flavor and maybe the wicking is better.

I would do it per clearo. And one drop, try it, and go from there. It takes very little h20 to break down VG and thin it. If you go too far you have trashed the liquid - you can't vape water.

Did you say you were using menthol liquids? TVR would be a good place to try. They have some that just taste of straight menthol and others that have a great tobacco flavor in the background. I'm pretty sure any of the TVR menthols would fall into the 100 VG flavorings category, but if any doubt before ordering you can e-mail them from the web site or post in their vendor forum. => The Vapor Room

I have nothing bad to say about any of the TVR tobacco flavors. Love them all.

Personally, I tried ViVi Nova and don't like 'em. If you think you have wicking issues with BCC clearos good luck with a ViVi Nova. I had to pause my vaping all the time in order for the wicking to catch up. Lot of dry hits with my 100 VG stuff.

 

[donna_]

I would do it per clearo. And one drop, try it, and go from there. It takes very little h20 to break down VG and thin it. If you go too far you have trashed the liquid - you can't vape water.

Did you say you were using menthol liquids? TVR would be a good place to try. They have some that just taste of straight menthol and others that have a great tobacco flavor in the background. I'm pretty sure any of the TVR menthols would fall into the 100 VG flavorings category, but if any doubt before ordering you can e-mail them from the web site or post in their vendor forum. => The Vapor Room

I have nothing bad to say about any of the TVR tobacco flavors. Love them all.

Personally, I tried ViVi Nova and don't like 'em. If you think you have wicking issues with BCC clearos good luck with a ViVi Nova. I had to pause my vaping all the time in order for the wicking to catch up. Lot of dry hits with my 100 VG stuff.

Very helpful. My cousin said the same thing tonight about Vivi Nova...ok, well that narrows down the choices...a bit. I am still real interested in the iclear but I didn't realize it wasn't made of pyrex or glass.

I should be able to get distilled water tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestions...hope it works! I read at EC Blends the Evod isn't really recommended for less then 70/30 PG/VG b/c of wicking issues...something I'm having trouble with too. I ordered a couple different clearos ... something has to work as obviously some people are smoking VG only.

 

[Rickajho]

Well with your flavor choices right now a non glass clearo won't be any problem. Glass is nice, but not necessary. Unless you start venturing into stuff like tart/citrus, cinnamon, certain fruits you won't have a problem. There is a huge thread on ECF about flavors that crack plastic tanks if you are curious. => http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/219179-lets-make-list-juices-flavors-crack-tanks-ce2s-clearos-40.html

I still say if you get coils 2.0 ohm or higher and start at your lowest possible voltage you won't have any wicking problems in the Kanger stuff. Start at 3.2 volts and only move the voltage up if you aren't getting vapor production.

 

[zapped]

My recommendation is Smoktech single-coil, 2-hole laser punched cartos from Smoktek.com and a carto tank. They also offer 3-hole but Ive never needed them. Ive found the Smotech cartos to be more absorbent than Boges.

I use either 100 percent Vg or 10/90 Pg/Vg 90 percent of the time and this setup works perfectly for me. It also provides a lot more flavor than any clearomizer Ive ever used and that includes the Kanger Protank.

 

[Rickajho]

I sooo hate cartos. It's an option I think everyone should try due to the low cost, but I never got one to work well for more than three days before they start developing problems. (Don't try to talk me out of it - I tried 'em all and hated them all.) That being said, Baditude managed to convince me to revisit tank cartos with some Ikenvapes. Waiting on vape mail...

 

[zapped]

I sooo hate cartos. It's an option I think everyone should try due to the low cost, but I never got one to work well for more than three days before they start developing problems. (Don't try to talk me out of it - I tried 'em all and hated them all.) That being said, Baditude managed to convince me to revisit tank cartos with some Ikenvapes. Waiting on vape mail...

Cartos compared to carto tanks are like tadpoles compared to frogs. Enclosing the carto in juice eliminates those nasty dry hits and delivers the best vape ouside of dripping and Rbas in my experience.

Thats one of the reasons why I hate to hear clearo tanks referred to as just tanks, because it encourages people not to try a carto tank . To a lot of people a tank is tank is a tank and if they have a bad experience with one they think theyll have a bad experience with the other. Kinda like cartos and carto tanks.

Im glad Bad talked you into trying them, I think you'll be glad he did as well.

Clearomizers have come a long way in in the past couple of years but I still remember when they leaked like a sieve and were pretty much the worst device you could buy. I still think they are in regards to high VG juices as the wicks just dont draw enough juice or wick fast enough for me.

 

[Rickajho]

No - I was talking about tank cartos too. Cartos, tank cartos, XXXL cartos, LR, HR, SR, one two or three hole punched, Kanger, Boge, Smoktech, Joyetech, SMOK and at least three other brands I can't even remember right now. (Like I said - don't try to talk me out of hating them...)

 

[Markram80]

Have you tried virgin vapor? Their liquid is rather thin. I've been Vaping it with the halo triton and no problems at all. The liquid does however need to reach a certain temperature to cape well.

 

[donna_]

My recommendation is Smoktech single-coil, 2-hole laser punched cartos from Smoktek.com and a carto tank. They also offer 3-hole but Ive never needed them. Ive found the Smotech cartos to be more absorbent than Boges.

I use either 100 percent Vg or 10/90 Pg/Vg 90 percent of the time and this setup works perfectly for me. It also provides a lot more flavor than any clearomizer Ive ever used and that includes the Kanger Protank.

OK this is premature but I'm excited.

I really like the Boge filters but I can see what you are saying. Now maybe part of it is it is higher Ohms but dang I can actually inhale it and I have much more vapor. It was a little finicky to get started...had some gurgling but tried a new drip tip too. But when it works it works wonderful. Durability will be the next thing for me to assess. (Note I did like the SmokeTek carto much better after a short hot distilled water soak.)

Adding 1 drop of distilled waters seems to help a lot, whether I use clearo or tank. It seems to matter on the juice if I even need it.

I got my Kanger T3, still waiting on the iClear. Withholding judgement on the T3, otherwise it has really good vapor and for some reason it didn't work properly until it sat overnight. I love the tip, too and the flavor is perhaps better...hard to say I didn't use the same juice.

I'm falling in love with my eVod again...I found there was like thick globs of juice on the wicks even after a new head. I wiped those off and *lightly* fanned my wicks a bit giving them a couple light/short rolls between my fingers. Haven't had a problem since. Maybe that isn't advised so do it at your own risk.

The juice makes a big difference. I seem to have much more issues with Johnson Creek than Organic stuff or even the Menthol Tobacco from Free State Vapor -- I haven't tried other companies (with VG only) yet. I understand EC Blends is thinner and made with alcohol...will try it, too. The JC is doing fine in my tank for now.

I haven't tried in in my clearomizers again yet as I got so tired of replacing heads ever 1-2 days. I hope the above techniques work on it as they have a couple flavors that when I mix them give me a good TH which is hard to find in VG -- for me so far.

Anyway, it's all been kind of weird...3 different products have been fussy with VG (for me) but all have turned out to work so far when I made slight modifications. Hope this helps someone and thanks all for your help! I'll update it when I have more time with these and the iClear.

P.S. I'm shaking my juice now and steeping -- not sure if that affects VG issues but my overall experience is better.

 

[jimboperthwa]

I always make my base liquid at 80% VG and 20% water. Found that ratio on another thread, seems to work fine.

 

[Jewels]

I use these: "5pc eGo 3ml Tabac/KangerTech T3 BCC (Bottom Coil Changeable) Clear cartomizer/Clearomizer" with an eGo battery.
They are pretty good - and "rewicking" is as easy as screwing in a new bottom coil!