I do exactly the same but with 3 120 ml bottles.When i start on the first of the 3 then i make another.
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I started DIY within 1 month of starting vaping.
Spent a lot of money on bought juice but could not tolerate it except for one cheap tobacco juice.
Almost gave up on vaping....
DIY worked well for me but still highly restricted on flavorings that I can use.
Bought over 150 flavorings so far. Threw out around 75 so far. Still have a few more of them to try.
Spent a lot of money on bought juice but could not tolerate it except for one cheap tobacco juice.
Almost gave up on vaping....
DIY worked well for me but still highly restricted on flavorings that I can use.
Bought over 150 flavorings so far. Threw out around 75 so far. Still have a few more of them to try.
I do not have that many,maybe 20 but i only ever use 2.I do have some Blueberry i keep meaning to try with the VC but i can't bring myself to change.I just enjoy my simple mix too much!
I tried the CAP Blueberry Jam. Smelled luscious, Tasted good, but caused mouth/throat inflamation so threw it out.
I have two 60ml bottles of FA Desert Ship that have been steeping for about 3 weeks. They are still way overflavored and really ORANGE . I'm going to have to cut those 50/50 with pg/vg/nic to get them back in the ball park. It was one of those cases where a couple of days after mixing they were bland, so I took them from 2% to 5% in one fell swoop. Adding flavor at that point was premature!
I'm learning as I go ... the hard way!
I'm learning as I go ... the hard way!
Was thinking the OP, but for anyone; have you looked for another DIYer in your area? A chance to pool resources and ideas always seems to help. Even stopping by a vape shop and see if someone can give a class. I noticed a friend's DIY gear and it gave me ideas. A good vape shop would probably know someone that would do it on the side since shops are now rather limited in what they can do in the way of teaching.
As to measuring, I go ML measurements. For example, I figure everything in percents that total 100. Then, to make a 5ml sample, I just divide all the percents by 20.
At first, I didn't get so critically specific as to base percents. I made a 100ml batch of PG/VG knowing that my nic and flavoring were also in PG. I did 70ml of VG and 30ml of PG, knowing that when I added the nic and flavoring, the overall PG would increase and the final product was about 50/50. I have changed a little with practice and experience, but, I still don't get to caught up with exact PG and VG levels. I figure I am with a percent or three on my final PG and VG ratio.
Also, having the right kind of gear helps. I have one glass measuring cylinder that measures to 50ml. I use that for making my base. All other measurements are by syringes. I have a syringes that measure to the 10th of a ml that I use a lot. Seeing as I make small 5ml test samples, it gets used a lot. I also have a 3ml, 5ml, 10ml and 20ml syringe. Since most of the 5ml sample will be PG/VG base I use the 5ml syringe for that. If nic and flavoring will total to 20%, then 80% of the 5ml bottle will be base. Dividing 80 by 20 gets 4, so the base content will be 4%. I put that in first. It got me started and familiar with using syringes.
As to finding good mixes; I have a LOT of little 5ml bottles. I just got on Amazon and bought a lot of bottles of several sizes. Price wise, they were cheaper, but they also came from the Far East and took a little longer. I got 5ml, 10ml, 20ml, 30ml, and 50ml.
Another thing was notes. I just happen to use a spreadsheet for everything. Inventory, recipes, notes, etc. I can't say how much that has helped me. Can also use Word files. My spreadsheet has links so I can jump around pretty quickly.
As to exact steeping, nah, I just steep them all the same. Pretty much 2-3 weeks. I just didn't want it to be an issue when I was evaluating a mix. I think, at the time, I had favorite juices that I had bought. I just made sure that I had about a month's worth and vaped that while making/steeping samples. Their is a bit of patience needed.
I kept things simpler at first, but I have grown a bit in DIY. You will, too.
Anyway, hope helps.
As to measuring, I go ML measurements. For example, I figure everything in percents that total 100. Then, to make a 5ml sample, I just divide all the percents by 20.
At first, I didn't get so critically specific as to base percents. I made a 100ml batch of PG/VG knowing that my nic and flavoring were also in PG. I did 70ml of VG and 30ml of PG, knowing that when I added the nic and flavoring, the overall PG would increase and the final product was about 50/50. I have changed a little with practice and experience, but, I still don't get to caught up with exact PG and VG levels. I figure I am with a percent or three on my final PG and VG ratio.
Also, having the right kind of gear helps. I have one glass measuring cylinder that measures to 50ml. I use that for making my base. All other measurements are by syringes. I have a syringes that measure to the 10th of a ml that I use a lot. Seeing as I make small 5ml test samples, it gets used a lot. I also have a 3ml, 5ml, 10ml and 20ml syringe. Since most of the 5ml sample will be PG/VG base I use the 5ml syringe for that. If nic and flavoring will total to 20%, then 80% of the 5ml bottle will be base. Dividing 80 by 20 gets 4, so the base content will be 4%. I put that in first. It got me started and familiar with using syringes.
As to finding good mixes; I have a LOT of little 5ml bottles. I just got on Amazon and bought a lot of bottles of several sizes. Price wise, they were cheaper, but they also came from the Far East and took a little longer. I got 5ml, 10ml, 20ml, 30ml, and 50ml.
Another thing was notes. I just happen to use a spreadsheet for everything. Inventory, recipes, notes, etc. I can't say how much that has helped me. Can also use Word files. My spreadsheet has links so I can jump around pretty quickly.
As to exact steeping, nah, I just steep them all the same. Pretty much 2-3 weeks. I just didn't want it to be an issue when I was evaluating a mix. I think, at the time, I had favorite juices that I had bought. I just made sure that I had about a month's worth and vaped that while making/steeping samples. Their is a bit of patience needed.
I kept things simpler at first, but I have grown a bit in DIY. You will, too.
Anyway, hope helps.
Have you tried Real Flavors
Real Flavors Some of the more popular vendors are picking up these to resell
. What type of ejuice to do prefer to vape?
or Flavorah flavors?
Flavorah FLV - The Flavoring for Ejuice | DIY Flavor Concentrate
From their websites these are extra concentrated. They costs a little more but being extra concentrated you use less in your recipes.
No restriction on teaching, just on DOING anything to your gear which can effect it's operation.
They can show you how to do it on a mod/atty of theirs just not on yours.
When I started, I didn't ask. Two weeks ago, I chatted with a local shop owner about teaching mixing and he said, "no, not allowed". I took it that the FDA wanted to control DIY usage of nicotine. But, like everything else juice related, it is a percentage among the total liquid. Not real hard to apply the same concepts.
Good to know where people can go to ask about mixing, though. I talked to others about mixing as I was beginning, but never got a "hands-on" class. After about 2-3 weeks, I was doing well enough. Especially helpful was thinking on it as I took notes on what I was doing. Just getting used to the gear (not mods/atties) helped. Nobody ever mentioned purging liquid from the needle itself, but I learned that it needed to be done for accuracy.
Good to know where people can go to ask about mixing, though. I talked to others about mixing as I was beginning, but never got a "hands-on" class. After about 2-3 weeks, I was doing well enough. Especially helpful was thinking on it as I took notes on what I was doing. Just getting used to the gear (not mods/atties) helped. Nobody ever mentioned purging liquid from the needle itself, but I learned that it needed to be done for accuracy.
I have seen nothing in the regs about teaching. Just prohibiting doing things for you and saying the vaping is less harmful than smoking or is a good way to quit smoking, etc.
they cannot teach you on equipment you are about to buy or currently own. ie modify your equipment in any way. But they can teach you on their equipment.
You just can't buy any modified equipment after the teaching session.
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I'm using the E-JuiceMeUp calculator. Since everything I make is 70pg/30vg/3mg Nic I can just use the same printed recipe sheet for 2% flavors and create similar recipe sheets for 5% and up. I keep these in the box with my DIY supplies and use the sheet that corresponds to my flavor percentages. Of course, I have to create extra sheets for different percentage flavor mixes and for those with multiple flavors and additives.
Most of my favorites are tobacco based with just one or two added flavors, so I find myself using one or two recipes.
Most of my favorites are tobacco based with just one or two added flavors, so I find myself using one or two recipes.
The V2 gets fantastic reviews , i love it .
Vanilla Custard V2-Cap
The V1 makes me ill , most people like it.
Yeah well.... Some like anise flavored juice too.....
I have a sensitivity to the taste and actually have a physical bad reaction to the V2 stuff and most flavorings actually.
Buying a set of scales made my DIY a lot simpler for me. I make juice in 60ml bottles and all I need is the scale, a bottle, a dropper for Nic, and a couple of squeeze bottles for PG and VG. The flavorings already come in dropper bottles.
I do the recipes in gram weights and then add the nic, press the tare button to re-zero, and add the next ingredient. Repeat until through. With either method it's easy to drip a little extra, but washing beakers between pours is eliminated. Once I got use to the weight method I developed the technique for more exacting adds to the liquids. I'm surprisingly more accurate after making about 800ml of juice 60ml at a time. I've learned to anticipate the scale's settling time and the bottle's tendency to drip while waiting for the scale to settle. The more I make, the better I get.
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On the subject of frustrations, I just got through cutting the over-flavored FA Desert Ship to half strength. I had originally made two 60ml bottles and waited a week for flavor to steep. It was weak, so I took it from 2% to 5%, per comments I read about the flavor.
2% was too little and 5% was in your face overkill! I now have them at 2.5% and will wait patiently to see how they develop. They went from a pretty bright orange to a pale tangerine shade. I now have four 60ml bottles cut half and half with pg/vg/ and 1/2 the original nic So far, so good!
I'm finding that flavor is really user specific. Something that everyone likes at 2% flavor may be terribly overloaded for other vapers. That, and just adding or subtracting flavors doesn't always just increase or decrease the flavor strength. It can completely change the flavor to something else. Steeping does the same, but usually makes the result much better.
Finding the sweet spot is sometimes a trial and error operation.
2% was too little and 5% was in your face overkill! I now have them at 2.5% and will wait patiently to see how they develop. They went from a pretty bright orange to a pale tangerine shade. I now have four 60ml bottles cut half and half with pg/vg/ and 1/2 the original nic So far, so good!
I'm finding that flavor is really user specific. Something that everyone likes at 2% flavor may be terribly overloaded for other vapers. That, and just adding or subtracting flavors doesn't always just increase or decrease the flavor strength. It can completely change the flavor to something else. Steeping does the same, but usually makes the result much better.
Finding the sweet spot is sometimes a trial and error operation.
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You are allowed to vent. I don't think a different vendor or the price of the flavor is going to solve your dilemma. My take, keep searching until you obtain enough ADV flavors where you can enjoy the taste. Out of a hundred flavors, maybe 7 mains flavors are tasteful to my palate. My pallet is not as sensitive as most vapers and you might be in the same category.
I have about 8-9 flavors that I enjoy and work mainly with these. Since they are main's, I can mix them with a variety of enhancers and not so good secondary flavors to satisfy my taste/curiosity. I sill purchase new flavors with the expectation that I may receive one that I can work with or qualify as a main ADV flavor.
^^^^ This
I find that heavy flavors get old to me before the tank is empty. I'm more of a subtle tobacco flavor vaper. I like nuances of flavor, but not heavy implementations of anything.
I find that heavy flavors get old to me before the tank is empty. I'm more of a subtle tobacco flavor vaper. I like nuances of flavor, but not heavy implementations of anything.
I find that heavy or strong flavors also get old fast and one thing I always return to when I get bored with flavors is a Tobacco. Right now I have 3 of my own Tobaccos and mix them often for a bit of a this and that flavor profile.
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