FU HC sobs!!!

[polsmoka]

So I was at a bar on Friday night. 2 people were approaching every smoker in the smoking patio and offering to sign them up to receive promo news, tobacco company sponsored party invites and discounts on cigarettes. I talked to them a little and asked them "I thought tobacco companies aren't allowed to market like this?" They advised "ah hah, they can't but they ARE allowed to hire promo companies like us to do it "

I guess this is fine with HC as I asked these guys how long they have been doing this (a long time) and how many places (every bar,) and they actually have nightly quotas to meet! Meanwhile us ecig vendors have to worry about what HC is going to do with us?

 

[NoizMaker]

Seems like we need multi-national corporations to invest so we can get some lobbyists! I am not surprised, I have even been negated from a paid survey about smokers while others in my household who did smoke were paid $40 to answer simple questions about what brand they smoke and why... Pretty much "Oh you can't afford a good pack of smokes due to the extreme taxes? Well here's enough for one or two packs"

 

[Concat]

Well that's a pretty ridiculous loophole.

 

[cactusgirl]

You know, that is something that is worth investigating...in fact, that would be a good story for W5 or some other news agency - Health Canada's Hypocrisy!!!

 

[NanoVapor]

Well that's a pretty ridiculous loophole.

Lets make sure everyone can grasp just how ridiculous.

Lets use the homicide equivalent. Illegal to murder someone, legal to hire someone else to murder that someone. Oh wait isn't that sorta what tobacco IS doing? :\ Then also the massive burden those tobacco victims end up costing the health care system over their withering lifetime of rapidly deteriorating health. Eek.

 

[Concat]

To be fair, the Government makes more taxes on smokers then they inevitably cost the health care system. I don't have a source for that... so take that with a grain of salt.

 

[rolandpibb]

To be fair, the Government makes more taxes on smokers then they inevitably cost the health care system. I don't have a source for that... so take that with a grain of salt.

And that is why I don't think Health Canada will ever approve e-cigs. You can't attach a "sin tax" to a product that doesn't cause harm.

 

[Concat]

Yep... our country was never supposed to become dependant on sin taxes, but it turned out that way regardless.

 

[Eileithia]

Yep... our country was never supposed to become dependant on sin taxes, but it turned out that way regardless.

Same goes for income taxes. They were originally formed in North America (US) to help fund the civil war. Income taxes were only supposed to be used during War times. The US Government was the first to install a peace-time income tax, and now look at the state we're all in.

Once the governments starts taxing something, good luck trying to get rid of it. How else are they supposed to fund their above-average salaries, benefit plans, propoganda, etc etc...

 

[NanoVapor]

To be fair, the Government makes more taxes on smokers then they inevitably cost the health care system. I don't have a source for that... so take that with a grain of salt.

Ive always wondered if this is actually true or not. Someone out there has gotta have this tax to care ratio of the average canadian smoker.


And I agree with what rolandpibb said, its far harder to justify taxing something to such an atrocious degree if its less harmful. Fear mongering has always been Health Canada and the governments manner of control and justification for the wide range of intrusions they make into our daily lives.

 

[kanadiankat]

To be fair, the Government makes more taxes on smokers then they inevitably cost the health care system. I don't have a source for that... so take that with a grain of salt.

The estimated tax income per day for Rev Canada from Tobacco sales is $15 million on direct taxes and an additional $7 - 10 million on subsidiary taxes (GST, HST, income tax, business tax, excise tax, gas tax for deliveries, etc).

That's per day.

 

[The0n3]

wow that is KrAzY in a way i want esmokes to be more known and enjoyed by the public but at the same time there going to tax the hell out of us its only a mater of time

 

[polsmoka]

Hiya Kat, good info. I would like to know what if any calculation there is though for healthcare costs directly relating to cig smoke.

 

[polsmoka]

Hiya Kat, good info. I would like to know what if any calculation there is though for healthcare costs directly relating to cig smoke.

Gotta love replying and quoting self lol.

Anyway it seems difficult to find consistant and accurate stats. One stat I (maybe incorrect see) is about would be apx $9 billion/year and a direct healthcare cost related to cigs being at $4.5 billion. However there is claim of an indirect but related societal cost of an additional $10 billion/year ?