G-Tank-US-CO-OP Support Thread - Part 2

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Ed, I'm currently on a serious cotton thing atm and have analysed it to death as well...even though you don't have the shorting issues like mesh it can be just as idiosyncratic and has it's own set of issues. Wick density, choking, coil wrap spacing and tightness of the coil are big factors with cotton. If you are using gauze you want a semi firm wick, hard to describe I know but you don't want it so that you can just squish it flat between your fingers. It cant be so thick that it's "choked" by the mid section hole. As far as your coil goes about 1mm between your wraps seems to be the sweet spot and I wrap tight around the wick and 2 pins (one on each side) then pull the pins (also seems to be the sweet spot), I've got 2 SS Lines (same juice, same coil...a little experiment I'm running) one on cotton gauze, one on mesh, the flavour/TH/vape is so close between the two...once they both settle in it's pretty hard to distinguish between them (the cotton starts off a little earthy but that goes away after a bit)...btw, I've yet to burn it, it just doesn't...I'm not saying to give up on the mesh but sometimes you just need to step back :)
 

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Thanks so much AG and Dark, will try those techniques on my 22nd, eh I mean next attempt.

I think I am just making this more difficult than it is possibly, as I am trying to be so OCD about everything vs. just doing it or at least that is my new philosophy :)

I know I just need to stick with it as it would be nice to be a pro right off the bat but gotta put in my time so I can join the ranks and thankfully when I got my mesh I got 2 sheets of the 12 x 12 so still have over half of one sheet as well as the 1st sheet as well as more than half of my initial 75ft of Kanthal and recently got about 300 ft so hopefully that's enough to practice until I figure this out LOL.

Again I truly appreciate everyone's patience and help...
 

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Ed, I'm currently on a serious cotton thing atm and have analysed it to death as well...even though you don't have the shorting issues like mesh it can be just as idiosyncratic and has it's own set of issues. Wick density, choking, coil wrap spacing and tightness of the coil are big factors with cotton. If you are using gauze you want a semi firm wick, hard to describe I know but you don't want it so that you can just squish it flat between your fingers. It cant be so thick that it's "choked" by the mid section hole. As far as your coil goes about 1mm between your wraps seems to be the sweet spot and I wrap tight around the wick and 2 pins (one on each side) then pull the pins (also seems to be the sweet spot), I've got 2 SS Lines (same juice, same coil...a little experiment I'm running) one on cotton gauze, one on mesh, the flavour/TH/vape is so close between the two...once they both settle in it's pretty hard to distinguish between them (the cotton starts off a little earthy but that goes away after a bit)...btw, I've yet to burn it, it just doesn't...I'm not saying to give up on the mesh but sometimes you just need to step back :)

Gotcha and makes sense...I think my initial cotton setup is choking then as I did it pretty tight about 4 - 5 coils and vapor is produced but not much and very little flavor and no TH....I know if I stick with it, it will someday click or I hope that is.

If you build it and build it and build it....it will vape...maybe LOL
 

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Don't feel bad. I've wrapped wicks for my Bulli for 9 months, & wrapped a few for my SS Line as well. I messed with the GTUS for at least 8 hours before I got it working properly. I kept doing the same thing over & over, but expecting a different result. Insanity!!! Once I changed a few things...bam...there it was.
 

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I really believe the top tank adds a hole new (and challenging) dynamic to the standard genesis build...when I got my V3 with it's horizontal coil it took me a number of hacks at it to get it vaping great, my first GTUS was my next, messed with it forever, finally rocked it (most times), then I built my own genny, I still can't get it nailed down (and I built it!)...when the Lines showed up I had a little trepidation, but oddly enough, first build it rocked (i've had a few fails since but for the most part...)...but ya, the GTUS was my loved nemesis...I'm sooo looking forward to seeing it in my mailbox :laugh:...
 

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Okay, switched to nextel and is working pretty good in the vapor department and NO burn taste, but flavors are muted compared to other mods with SS wicks . Nextel is a MUCH bigger pain to work with. I have a go box and in it is tweezers, clippers, syringe, load meter, bore brush, 2x batts, 1 foot kanthal, AND my line v2 SS wick w/coil. If I have a problem I yank wick and reinstall new wick and coil ready to go. The coil is already metered and set. I can't do this with the fiber wick, it doesn't travel well. SS wick are easy to make and travel well, but have shorting issues. Oh well.
 

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The upper plastic insulator was a major pain. Kept grabbing my wick and twisting it causing failures. Found a little juice to lube the wick helped, but ultimately removed the insulator all together. First try without it and success.

Pre-breaking in the coil by burning juice on it is a HUGE help to avoid shorting. Will definitely need to try this on my next SGV3 wick change.
 

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i have two suggestions 1 after you get mesh to the proper size to fit in hole, put it through the nipple a few times like 10 or 12 times, when it goes through eazy take some juice and burn juice on wick 3 more times, when fitting wick thruo nipple you rub off the coating causing shorts. 2 wrap wire around wick 4 or 5 times then squrt juice on wire coil and then set the coil on fire, this will coat the coil a little helping to not have red wire when you fire coil to check for shorts, meaning set wire coil on fire while it is on wick
 

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Just like to add a thought. For me low voltage low ohms works best. I think because the oxidized wick is more like a dielectric instead of an insulator. I have tried high voltage high ohm setups and failed every time. the higher voltage was always able to over come the resistance in the mesh before the coils so it would short every time.
 

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Maybe I'm having beginners luck, if so, I'll take it. This is my 1st RBA. My 1st 3 wicks/coils were a flop. First 2 wicks were too small and I had a flooding problem. First 4 coils all failed. They started from 1.8 to 2.0Ω, but after a short time vaping each of them decrease to 1.0Ω-1.2Ω and I'd start getting hot hits even with decreased voltage down to 3.3volts. When my 5th coil started doing the same I found that a tootpick is your friend.

Using the toothpick I just started moving each of the coils slightly (up or down) to get an even spacing and so they looked snug to the wick. I slightly lifted the end of the coil going to the (-) post to make sure it had clearance from the base. I used the toothpick to slight bend the lead from the wick to the (+) post to make sure it was snug and had the least span from the wick to the post.

Yikes! After messing with it a bit all the coils lit up at the same time and glowed consistently. I put it all back together, and it's been vaping fine. I can take 6-8-10 back-to-back pulls on it without a dry hit. The resistance started at 2.1Ω and burned in and stabilized at 2.3Ω.

Then after using it for a couple days, I couldn't remember if I lined the air hole up with the wick. I took it a part to check it and after screwing it back together - yep - I messed it up. The resistance quickly dropped from 2.1Ω to .9Ω. I figured for sure, I was going to have to make a new wick/coil and start over.

But - I figured I've got nothing to loose, let's pick up my friend the toothpick and mess with the coil wraps again. Got each coil glowing reasonably again, but not as good as the 1st time, but looking OK. Resistance was 2.1Ω. Put it back together, started vaping, it was doing fine again. After 10-15 minutes of chain vaping check resistance and it was back to 2.3Ω. Happy me again.

Note: I'm starting with the 35x35 400 mesh and 5 coil wraps. I soaked the mess in hot water before rolling it. Quenched it 4 times, loaded it w/ PG and lit it up 4 times, then wound the coil and coated it with PG and lit it up a couple times.

What I learned - don't be afraid to mess around with the wick or coils. When I had trouble getting the wick back through the nipple hole, I just twisted it back and forth in my fingers to tighten it up and make it fit through. I'd use the top cap upside down and run it up and down the wick to 'size it'. I moved and played with the position of the coil wraps.

It's working good enough to be impressing me - but I know it can work better. I'm getting plenty of vape but not a lot of the outstanding flavor i hear about. That's what I've got to figure out next. The vape is the 'cleanest' tasting I've had from all kinds of juice holders in 7 months of vaping - that I really like - but would like some more flavor to it.

Ed...

I found that moving the bottom coil up a bit, so the lower wire does not touch the bottom section eliminated the problem of the bottom coil glow.

Yes - I found this out too. Make sure the coil lead from the wick to the (-) post isn't touching the base.

Thanks so much AG and Dark, will try those techniques on my 22nd, eh I mean next attempt.

I think I am just making this more difficult than it is possibly, as I am trying to be so OCD about everything vs. just doing it or at least that is my new philosophy :)
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Not knowing what I was doing - I too tried oh so hard to do it like the experts in the video's I watched. After a few false starts i just said to myself - what happens if i do this, what happens if I do that, and just tried things and it paid off - I got the GTUS working.

i have two suggestions 1 after you get mesh to the proper size to fit in hole, put it through the nipple a few times like 10 or 12 times, when it goes through eazy take some juice and burn juice on wick 3 more times, when fitting wick thruo nipple you rub off the coating causing shorts. 2 wrap wire around wick 4 or 5 times then squrt juice on wire coil and then set the coil on fire, this will coat the coil a little helping to not have red wire when you fire coil to check for shorts, meaning set wire coil on fire while it is on wick

Yea folks - listen to this advice. I found it helpful to make sure the wick passed through the nipple snuggly but not tight. If it's too tight when you screw the top piece down you can twist the wick and mess up the coil windings.

The pre-quenched and seasoned wick should be slightly on the loose side. As oxidizing and seasoning it will make it tighter. If it's well quenched and seasoned, even if you scrape a little off when sizing it by pushing it through the nipple hole, you should still be OK in the end.

When you are trying to get this at first, it will seem that everything down to the last factor has to be just right. Once you've got it and been doing it for awhile, you'll see that there is plenty of room for slop and you can play with everything. _EXCEPT_ oxidizing.

I sure hope so. :laugh:

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ps: I'm not trying to be a smarty pants, newbie, know-it-all. Just sharing my initial experience with others in case it helps someone.
 
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Just like to add a thought. For me low voltage low ohms works best. I think because the oxidized wick is more like a dielectric instead of an insulator. I have tried high voltage high ohm setups and failed every time. the higher voltage was always able to over come the resistance in the mesh before the coils so it would short every time.

Curious mind here.

What do you consider low Ω/low voltage. I'm coming from using io6 attys for dripping and like them at 2.5Ω and 3.5Ω. Building my first wicks/coils I was trying to get in the low 2's. I'm running now at 2.3Ω and 3.9-4.0 volts. I like a cooler vape than a lot of folks so shoot for about 7 watts with my resistance/voltage combo.

Maybe I'm over thinking it, but I was going with the idea that 5-6 coil wraps is better than 3-4 wraps as there is more coil area heating up to vaporize the juice.
 

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I don't know about bstedh but mine is 2.3ohm at 4.2v. I really like the vape.

Curious mind here.

What do you consider low Ω/low voltage. I'm coming from using io6 attys for dripping and like them at 2.5Ω and 3.5Ω. Building my first wicks/coils I was trying to get in the low 2's. I'm running now at 2.3Ω and 3.9-4.0 volts. I like a cooler vape than a lot of folks so shoot for about 7 watts with my resistance/voltage combo.

Maybe I'm over thinking it, but I was going with the idea that 5-6 coil wraps is better than 3-4 wraps as there is more coil area heating up to vaporize the juice.
 

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So I tried the cotton ball method and guess what no glowing at ALL so guess I am not preparing the mesh good enough and not sure what step I am missing, what I am not doing right..... However the taste using the cotton ball was very very faint, no TH and little vapor. I'm not sure if I wrapped the coil too tight but no matter how soaked the wick was, it would really snap, crackle and pop while firing, like fireworks. The remaining cotton part of the wick was definitely too large and I couldn't get it through the spike hole so tried it out with the dripper setup.

You may have made the cotton wick too big. It holds a lot of juice and swells. For me, the wick (dry) has plenty of space going through the t-tank spike so when it swells it doesn't choke it up. For the coil part I basically fold it over to double its size. Make your coil loose. I lightly wrap mine using a round toothpick. Vapes like a boss.

I am officially a scubabatFAN.
 

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Ok, I know I said I wouldn't but there comes a time when you got to admit to yourself something is just not right or working for you and I believe this tank unfortunately is the case for me.

I think I got the coil finally made with no shorts at the top or bottom BUT whenever I would feed the wick through the spike, no matter if the wick was smaller than the hole, snug fit, etc. it would always throw something off and cause the top or bottom wires between the connectors and wick to glow red no matter how much juice was on the wick. So basically as it stands I can only drip with it and while it is an AMAZING experience to drip and the flavor is great, I just don't want to get back into dripping every 15 minutes as that is the reason I use carto tanks and when something is this finicky and becomes more of a hassle than a good alternative, it's just not worth it for me when someone else might benefit from it. While I know in the end this is giving up, I see it as moving on and trying my luck with another device as I just feel not all devices work for everyone or so that has been my experience within the vaping world. I just can't keep wasting juice, wire, mesh, time, etc. and even though the cost is relatively cheap, it's becoming a mess and a real hassle and when something becomes not fun anymore it's time to move on.

So now time to work on the classified ad :(, I have done over 40 or so transactions but not any since this new system came into place so this ought to be interesting and hope people will search the old ads since my feedback score is a whopping goose egg LOL.

I really would like to thank all those that provided great suggestions, feedback and help and good luck to those that continue to have similar experiences and wish you well and don't worry I'll still chime in, when I can.

My next challenge will be trying my luck with a Defcon and the G-Tank Mini so I do mean it when I say I am not giving up on genesis attys:).
 
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