GAH! I've gone and done did it again!

[Maniacal]

*EVERY* time I sit down & try to buy my starter kit it gets put off again. Either I've read something that changes my mind for whatever reason, or I see something prettier, or I get scared. I'm too afraid that if I get the wrong one that several things might happen:
~If I get one thats thin, long, & pretty I run the risk of it not having enough power/taste/flexibility/etc. or whatever
~If I get a big n clunky and it feels awkward or doesn't replicate the ritual of smoking closely enough to get me to quit smoking.

Basically, if I hate it, I might give up quitting. Hate to admit, but having the *intention* of buying a kit lets me retain the hopeful outlook and idea that its still possible to quit. Once the kit is bought and hated, well, there goes my ambition.

I have a hundred or so questions, & perhaps I'm tackling too much at once, but Ive been waiting entirely too long & I need to get the show on the road. I've narrowed it down to 2 types: the ever popular and highest recommended (by far) Spinner/Twist Ego VV tank Combo, or the Joye eGo-tank System XXL 1000mAh Starter Kit. I want to place my order *tonight*, thats my goal, but if I don't have as many of my questions answered I know I wont be able to decide. Bear w/me here, this is gonna be long...

~Is there a difference between a Spinner & a Twist? What abt diff between a Joye or Ego? Would a higher level mah mean a BIGGER sized battery? Size matters. Does a bigger battery mean a BETTER VAPE or just a longer battery life?
~Is there a real difference between different brands (different types exist too, right?) of clearomizers? Whats a "drip tip", is it a type of clearomizer or something diff altogether? Is a tank diff from either?
~I was under the impression that w/a starter kit, I would have everything I needed & it seemed fairly simple. Now I'm confused abt all the various parts u can buy & whether u need them all or can just opt for them & all that jazz. Like ... is an atomizer just an atomizer or are there diff types of atomizers? What do they mean by "standard, low resistance, or mega"? "Stiff draw"? Whats a head cone? Whats a head? Wicks? Coils? RAWR!!
~When they say "12 hrs of vaping", do they mean you can actually vape non-stop for 12 hrs, or do they just mean that after charging the whole thing will last for 12 hrs, regardless if you're just using it sporadically or not?
~PG or VG & WHY?
~What would be the pros & cons of those 2 kits (besides the things I've already mentioned abt the longer life, possible better/worse hits, better/worse feel)? Is there anything *between* the size of a cig-a-like & size of a pen type? A happy medium would be preferable.
~ I saw a video on u-tube where a girl had something called a "smokeymizer", what in the world is that and what are the pros/cons? Esthetically speaking, it was by far the most awesome looking one and the size would be PERFECT for me, but Ive never heard of them & cant find them anywhere!


I am thinking that having a manual is pretty much a necessity since I want the biggest TH/largest amount of vapor. Having to refill or charge often isn't a big factor for me since I have NO expectations as to how often I'd have to do either, so how could I be let down? Generally I can charge it where/whenever I go out. I hate the ones that look too fat. I hesitated on the Ego kit because I finally had something to compare it to in size, and turns out that thing is bigger than I initially thought! But I'd also given up on the idea that I could be happy with a cig-a-like a while back. Now I'm torn. I wonder if the *ONLY* pros to the Ego are longer battery life & filling less often cuz if thats the case then I will be leaning towards the 510.

I know there will be (or wouldve been) advice to eventually buy them *both* so that all my needs will essentially be met. But I feel that if I buy the pen type & it really does perform massively better then what exactly is the point in buying the small one? Looks only? All the ones Ive tried are like air. But on the other hand, if I buy the cig-a-like & its awful then I might not continue my efforts. I know me better than anyone.

Congratulations on living through this outrageously long post. I need help.

 

[vapero]

get the spinner, they both perform great and both are reliable but the spinner has easier to see marks..the size of the bat just gives you more run time not better power but it tends to get bigger, why don't you get a 650Mah and a 1100Mah, that way it the big one is too big use it just in your house and take the smaller one out.
as to the atomizer get some Kanger Evods, you can´t go wrong with those
now liquid wise this is the hard one, in nick strength get some 18 and 24mg and see what works for you, regarding VG and PG just go with the recommended in each site you buy you'll do the tuning later on your vaping journey.
flavor wise I can't help you a lot here just go a bit crazy ordering sample sizes or probably even a flavorless one just in case you don't like any of the ones you bought

 

[Fyreffect]

Grab an ego battery and some good ce4/ce5 tanks or one of the other good options. They aren't very bulky but you can smoke on it all day and the vape is pretty good, especially if you use good liquid. For big TH you probably want PG liquid but I've tried PG/VG that hits pretty hard too, and also something with variable voltage like the Spinner battery. Higher mah generally means bigger battery, so if size is an issue you'll probably want a 650mah or 1100mah.

Not much difference between Spinner and Twist, I believe they both have the same voltage range although the wattage may differ slightly. You'd probably be satisfied with either.

Quality of clearomizers can vary if you compared very cheaply made ones with more expensive, well-made ones.

This part:
"standard, low resistance, or mega"? "Stiff draw"? Whats a head cone? Whats a head? Wicks? Coils? RAWR!"
is what you get to avoid if you go for a cartomizer setup, you'll never even have to know in order to vape. Egos and you may need to tweak them every now and then but its not bad, just requires some familiarization.

The wicks are the strands or rods of material that draw fluid from the tank/clearomizer into the atomizer. The coil is the wiring within the atomizer that heats the liquid and turns it into vapor. Draw is how much suction needed to get the vapor into your mouth/lungs, stiff draw means you gotta work at it like a straw in a milkshake, loose draw means the vapor comes easy.

Heads/head cones I'm not too sure about at this point.

 

[retired1]

I started off with a 1000mAh Twist.

That's a Kanger Protank on top of that one. I also used Vivi Novas and MT3s on 'em as well with excellent results.

The Vision Spinner is easier to read when setting your voltage, so if that's a big factor go with that one instead. The 650mAh battery is shorter than the one in the photo.

 

[Maniacal]

Things I forgot:

~Whats a fixed battery?
~I read earlier that batteries only last 3-6 weeks Thats INSANE! I had thought this whole time that batteries lasted quite a while and that u only have to replace simple, cheap things like wicks or ... whatever.
~Ive noticed that some of the clearomizers are a little longer in length, I assume the only reasons behind this are looks and maybe allowing more liquid?

 

[greywolff]

I started with a Ego twist and a EVOD never hurts to start small just to get yourself used to it.

 

[retired1]

Things I forgot:

~Whats a fixed battery?
~I read earlier that batteries only last 3-6 weeks Thats INSANE! I had thought this whole time that batteries lasted quite a while and that u only have to replace simple, cheap things like wicks or ... whatever.
~Ive noticed that some of the clearomizers are a little longer in length, I assume the only reasons behind this are looks and maybe allowing more liquid?

The Twist or Spinner should last MUCH longer than that. There are folks who are on their original Twists and Spinners and have had them over a year. Mine have been going strong for over 5 months (I gave them to a friend) and show no signs of slowing down.

 

[Fyreffect]

Things I forgot:

~Whats a fixed battery?
~I read earlier that batteries only last 3-6 weeks Thats INSANE! I had thought this whole time that batteries lasted quite a while and that u only have to replace simple, cheap things like wicks or ... whatever.
~Ive noticed that some of the clearomizers are a little longer in length, I assume the only reasons behind this are looks and maybe allowing more liquid?

A good ego battery should last you at least a couple hundred charges, so if you charge once a day that's about 8 months, but they can last longer. Size of clearomizer is a mix of allowing more liquid in the tank and simple design choice to accommodate the hardware inside.

Edit: Size can also vary because some you can disassemble and replace parts while some are designed as one piece that can't be taken apart. It's much more cost effective to replace the atomizers only rather than the entire clearomizer.

 

[Spazmelda]

~Is there a difference between a Spinner & a Twist? What abt diff between a Joye or Ego? Would a higher level mah mean a BIGGER sized battery? Size matters. Does a bigger battery mean a BETTER VAPE or just a longer battery life?

Either would be fine. Like the pp said, spinner supposedly has easier to read numbers (I don't have one, but that's what I've read). Bigger battery means longer life. If you are looking at spinner or twist, you will be able to vary your voltage, which will allow you to control the hit.

~Is there a real difference between different brands (different types exist too, right?) of clearomizers? Whats a "drip tip", is it a type of clearomizer or something diff altogether? Is a tank diff from either?

There are a large variety of juice delivery devices to choose from. These differ, in one respect, by where the coil is located (the coil is a spiral of wire that gets hot and vaporizes the juice). Some have the coil at the top of the tank. Some have the coil at the bottom. A clearomizer usually has a wick to bring the juice to the coil, while a cartomizer his an absorbant filler. I'd recommend you try both a top and a bottom coil clearomizer (top- vivi nova and bottom- evod or protank; those are just a few examples that I'd recommend.). Then, if you want, also try a few cartomizers. Some say these have a steeper learning curve for beginners, but I don't think they are too hard. Just a few things you need to learn.

~I was under the impression that w/a starter kit, I would have everything I needed & it seemed fairly simple. Now I'm confused abt all the various parts u can buy & whether u need them all or can just opt for them & all that jazz. Like ... is an atomizer just an atomizer or are there diff types of atomizers? What do they mean by "standard, low resistance, or mega"? "Stiff draw"? Whats a head cone? Whats a head? Wicks? Coils? RAWR!!

Most starter kits will have enough to get you started, but they are not going to provide you with all the possibilities. With the spinner or twist you will have a lot of choices for toppers. Lots of juice delivery devices will fit.

All juice delivery devices will contain an atomizer. That's basically the coil that's going to vaporize your juice. It's just the form factor that is different. Whether you drip the juice directly onto the coil (basic atomizer), whether they hold a larger amount of juice and use capillary action through a wick (clearomizer), or whether they use a filler that wicks juice (cartomizer).

Standard resistance is usually around 2.5 ohms. Many people would recommend a somewhat higher voltage for this resistance (like around 4.2-4.5 volts). Low resistance is around 1.8-2.0 ohms. You would use a voltage more around 3.5-3.7 for these. I don't think it really matters which resistance you get if you are going to get a variable voltage battery. You will be able to adjust your vape with the voltage.

Mega usually means large size. They will hold more juice. Stiff draw would mean that you have to suck harder or that the draw is less airy. Think a tightly packed cigarette versus a loosely packed one.

~When they say "12 hrs of vaping", do they mean you can actually vape non-stop for 12 hrs, or do they just mean that after charging the whole thing will last for 12 hrs, regardless if you're just using it sporadically or not?

Uh, not sure. The number that gets thrown around here a lot is 1 hr. per 100 mAh. The pp mentioned getting both a 650 and a 1100 mAh battery so you can see the difference and have both a small shorter lasting batt, and a larger longer lasting batt. I think that's a good idea. I know my 2000 mAh batteries give me about a day to a day and a half, and my 700 mAh batteries give me about half a day. This depends on how much you use it. Chain vaping versus 20 min here and there.

~PG or VG & WHY?

PG tends to give more throat hit and more flavor. VG tends to give more vapor. VG is also thicker. Juices that have a really high VG content are sometimes not as good at wicking to the coil. Many people vape at around a 70:30 pg/VG ratio. I'll do about that to up to 50% VG. A very small number of people seem to have an allergic reaction to one or the other, so they will make it work with the one they are not allergic to. That's a very tiny number though.

~What would be the pros & cons of those 2 kits (besides the things I've already mentioned abt the longer life, possible better/worse hits, better/worse feel)? Is there anything *between* the size of a cig-a-like & size of a pen type? A happy medium would be preferable.

I'm not sure. I haven't looked at the kits you mentioned. There are all different sizes of batteries though.

~ I saw a video on u-tube where a girl had something called a "smokeymizer", what in the world is that and what are the pros/cons?

I have no idea what this is, lol. I will have to google it.

Esthetically speaking, it was by far the most awesome looking one and the size would be PERFECT for me, but Ive never heard of them & cant find them anywhere!

In a nut shell, what I want to say is, just go ahead and order some stuff. You will probably not settle on your first kit as the best option. Almost everyone has to tweak their kit in some way. The spinner or twist batteries will be good, and will get you started on the right foot without costing a fortune. They are a good choice.

 

[Juicemoose]

Istarted with the 1100 twist x2 and ce4's, i soon went to the kanger pro and would recommend this myself. Don't worry about the liquid for now, just by ready to go, 18 would be fine. You will have time to order more juice before you get through a 10ml bottle. Start off with a tobbaco flavour first though (nothing fancy) just to make the tansition easier. You get a couple of coils with the pro so just jump in. What ever happens YOU WILL be spending mor muller on more gear anyway .

Goo luck girl

 

[greywolff]

to give you a size reference. my iItaste v3 is about 6 1/2 inches with a Kanger EVOD. and its 7 in with the included clearomizers. the EGO twist with the EVOD is about 6 3/4 inch hope it helps.

To clarify size my Ego twist is about the same as my ITaste and its 1/2 inch square. my Ego twist will last about a day and a half on a 4.0 setting "per charge".

 

[Maniacal]

Vapero... 650 and 1100 are RADICALLY different in size (right? cuz the bigger the number the longer the life and bigger size?) so hows it possible to fit both of those on the same clearomizer?

Fire ... I was also (or more-so) asking abt more info on those parts, totally my bad at not explaining. Like, how often do u have to replace them, any problems with a certain brand, etc. Any info abt them is helpful. By the way, am I to also assume that a cig-a-like doesnt ever come in variable voltage?

Retired... Aha! Thanks for that I'm wondering if you're a male or female now so that I can be even MORE specific. Generally men have much larger hands. Short/long is contingent on the type I go with but I prefer longer, more slender, feminine looks. If VV only comes with 3 settings then why would reading it be difficult?

"Uh, not sure. The number that gets thrown around here a lot is 1 hr. per 100 mAh. The pp mentioned getting both a 650 and a 1100 mAh battery so you can see the difference and have both a small shorter lasting batt, and a larger longer lasting batt. I think that's a good idea."

Well a fat battery is still a fatty, regardless of length. Actually, longer fatties would *appear* thinner, which is what I'd want. I dont think I'm looking for how long the battery lasts, since I'd always opt for more hours obviously, but more so if I should opt for a pen type or cig-a-like.

Thanks so much guys, most ppl dont have patience for my ramblings.

 

[Spazmelda]

Aren't there a few vape shops in Chicago? Can anyone give maniacal a suggestion for a B&M? Maniacal, I think you'd really get a lot out of being able to go and actually hold some of these batteries, so that you can see their size. You could also look at the juice delivery thingies.

I forgot to answer your question about heads. A head is a replaceable coil unit that you can put in a clearomizer. Protank, evod, and vivi nova (among others) allow you to replace just the head when it gets old, instead of replacing the whole tank.

 

[Fyreffect]

For comparison, here is a 650mah battery with CE5 clearomizer, beside a 1100mah Spinner for reference. The 1100mah battery will lengthen the setup by a couple inches.

 

[nctrekken]

Things I forgot:

~Whats a fixed battery?
~I read earlier that batteries only last 3-6 weeks Thats INSANE! I had thought this whole time that batteries lasted quite a while and that u only have to replace simple, cheap things like wicks or ... whatever.
~Ive noticed that some of the clearomizers are a little longer in length, I assume the only reasons behind this are looks and maybe allowing more liquid?

I've had my batteries for 4 months and they are still going. I have noticed the charge has dropped off a little but still going good. That's why I bought a mod. I just put the batteries in and take out to charge, but the mods are pretty big. The tanks you have seen are different. Usually the ones that look longer will break down by unscrewing the bottom piece. That allow to clean and replace the head. The shorter one is a us and throw away tank. They are hard to clean and you can't replace the head if they burn out.

 

[retired1]

Retired... Aha! Thanks for that I'm wondering if you're a male or female now so that I can be even MORE specific. Generally men have much larger hands. Short/long is contingent on the type I go with but I prefer longer, more slender, feminine looks. If VV only comes with 3 settings then why would reading it be difficult?

I'm male, but I don't have overly large hands. The 1000mAh Twist is long and slender.

 

[casey8579]

No offense intended, but I had to laugh when I read your post. I almost feel sorry for anyone entering the ecig world now compared to when I started back in '08. I completely understand your confusion with the bewildering amount of choices available now. When I started it was just a choice between which pen style to go with, 510 or 901 or 801, it wasn't much to fret over thank goodness.

The advice I give my friends it to jump in cheap and go from there. Pick a reputable supplier like DiscountVapers or Litecig, get an ego style battery variable voltage like a twist or spinner. Get a top coil clearomizer like a Kanger T2 and a bottom coil clearomizer like a Kanger Evod. You will be in pretty cheap and can figure out what you like/dislike and go from there. At that point you will have a base of reference to further research what will work best for you.

 

[DrApex]

I've got 2 eGo 650 twists and I think they are perfect for going out and about. I have an eGo 1000 twist also and I like it when I'm in the car or at home.

The EVOD series (and MT3S) give wonderful Vapes. Low start up cost and low ongoing costs make them perfect.

I have CE5s, protanks, carto ranks, drippers, and lots of other atomizers. I find the EVOD and or MT3s are no muss no fuss. They always work and give good vape.

I started my mother in law on 2 eGo 650s and some EVODs and she quit smoking after almost 50 years.



Sent from my mobile. Ignore typos please.

 

[Ebred]

I bought an ego-t kit to start ecblends has awesome juice at a good price and ego kits are reasonable. Definately a good place to start. I was like you I researched researched researched. Then I just pulled the trigger and reviewed more while I vaped at my computer lol. Now I make my own juice and make my own ecigs. My advice.. Set a limit to what you want to spend shop and buy. Keep it under 15 minutes.

 

[vapero]

every ego battery has the same connector (they
have both; 510 on the inside and ego on the outside) (also shared by most mods or APV) so an evod will fit in any ego threaded battery, and a ces4 or 5, vivi, etc.... will fit any 510 threaded device