Gave up on Vaping Last Year ... Wanting to Try Again. Advice REALLY wanted!

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... I just watched a review on the eGo-C Twist and I looks good, but it's not designed for low res cartos or dual coil cartos (which were mentioned by some here). They hooked it up to a voltmeter and showed how it cut the voltage way down, which kinda defeats the purpose, right? So, is the eGo-C Twist still right for me? If it is, should I still use low res cartos and just not worry about the actual voltage or just get standard res cartos? This is where it get real confusing for me...

Or alternately, is there another VV device someone would like to recommend? The eGo looks hard to beat when looking at price, but again I'm not overly worried about that at the moment, because $25 spent on a PV that doesn't get me off cigs is just $25 wasted. If it takes a $350 PV to get the job done, I'll recover that from not buying cartons of Camels after about 7 weeks.
 

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Hi Mike, I will tell you what worked for me.. The Provari. If you want the best as in nowhere to go from there but down buy the Provari from Provape. I had 3 other mods and sold them all within a week of receiving my 1st Provari and bought a 2nd one for back up. It takes the guess work out of what you can use because it has a ton of safety features built right in. If you put a cartomizer on it that is too low in ohms to safely be used at the set voltage it will give you an error code and not fire untill you either turn down the volts or change to a higher ohm carto. It can check how much battery is left and check the ohms of what ever you screw on to it. It works great with tanks so you can vape all day and not have to refill. The next one in line after the Provari is the Lava tube. It is not built as well and doesn't always holt it's set voltage to the exact number you set it at but it will blow an ego out of the water at 6 volts LOL. The Provari is hands down THE BEST but the Lava tube or any of it's knock offs can get the job done too and at half the price of the Provari. It keeps a lot of folks off the analogs every day. My advice to you would be to research both of these PVs and purchase one of them. I recommend the 18650 batteries because they last all day but the mini of either one will still get you higher voltage. You will just have half a day on a battery instead of a full day. Let us know if you have any questions.
 
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Mike sent me a PM asking some questions but I want to answer him here in case some other people reading this thread might be struggling as well.

There are several factors here and what you need to do is turn this thing around for you. I'm going to go over these in terms of what I feel are the least to most important, although you need them all working for you if you are having trouble. Some people just get their first kit in the mail and throw the smokes away and never miss them. Others have a much tougher go of it. I was in the latter camp and struggled for 14 months trying to switch to vaping. So here's some of the things I learned.

You mentioned using the right PV. As people have mentioned, being able to find the right power settings is important. If you are on a budget then the ego-c twist is fine and definitely a step up from the Bloog.

Next, you need to open your mind toward what you are looking to do here. It is not to replicate the taste and feel of smoking as closely as possible. The reason why smoking satisfies you isn't because it tastes a certain way or the smoke feels a certain way.

So the first thing you need to do is open your mind up to what this should taste like. It sounds like you are sticking to the tobacco tasting juices. You want to try some flavored juice, for some people like myself the flavored juice works better. I can't get satisfied with a tobacco flavored juice for instance. As your vaping experience progresses you should be experimenting more, and as time goes on, get a better idea for what works best for you.

The next component is nicotine level. Someone mentioned 24 mg. That might not even be near enough for you. If you need 36 mg to quit, you need 36 mg. That's what I needed. So you want to open your mind to this.

The biggest thing though that might be holding you back is that you are addicted to more than nicotine, you are addicted to tobacco. So vaping regular juice only provides the nicotine. I've talked to people who have been vaping for years and some say they never really are as satisfied as they were smoking, but that's the price they pay, but this is something I was never willing to do. When I quit I vowed to try this and if after a reasonable period of time I didn't feel completely satisfied I was going to go back to smoking.

After 4 weeks of vaping and not smoking at all I was not satisfied. I missed the calming effects of a cigarette. Fortunately I had ordered some WTA juice from Aroma and although they didn't ship to Canada I managed to talk Jerry into sending me some. Now they say some people don't need it but I am not one of them. This made a huge difference to me and I am now completely satisfied vaping that and in fact this is more satisfying than smoking, completely relaxed with all the nic and other things I want.

Finally, even with all of these things going for you, you are going to need some will power, or at least you might. If you do, then you need to bite the bullet. When you quit smoking, you rid yourself of all sorts of toxins that have built up in you, and whenever your body detoxifies it's no treat. So you need to realize this and be willing to go through it. After a few days though this does mostly pass and if you have enough resolve you will make it.

Another factor in quitting smoking is that tobacco is a mood elevator and when you quit it you need to replace this with something else. So I'm a supplement nut and I've added some St. Johns Wort and SAMe, both natural supplements that are good for you anyway, and will generally make you feel better whether you "need" them or not. Make no mistake though, when you quit smoking you need something here.

So to sum up, some people are able to quit easily and some are not. For my money though I want everything going for myself, and in fact it took all of this to get me through it all. I started smoking in 1978 and by the time 1980 hit I was hooked for life, and all attempts to quit failed miserably. I am now very happy to say that I am not only a non smoker, but one that is completely happy vaping and under no circumstances would ever take up smoking again, not because of health concerns but because I have found a much better way to enjoy tobacco.

Best of luck man!
 
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I don't mind buying new cartos as long as there are good cartos for the 510. One thing I just thought of though... I really like the auto switch on the Bloog. Just feels more like smoking. The eGo-C Twist looks like it's a manual. Is there a VV device that has a good auto switch? Any device that does what I want is on the table... even if I have to buy all new gear. Honestly, at this point, I have decided I just want results. I don't care what it looks like, what it costs, or anything else. I want to make this work. (within reason -- I'm not going to shell out $1000 for a PV. lol)

I think every new vaper has the same idea about manual vs auto. Those that try the manual get the hang of it within a few hits, and by the end of the first few days they don't even think about pressing that button anymore, it just as natural a feel as smoking was. I haven't seen an auto vv ever, and I'm with DC2, aside from the button your wants line up with a manual.

On the subject of cartos, Boge 3.0 ohm would work very nicely on the eGo C Twist. I use them on my ProVari and my typical voltage range is between 4.2 and 4.8 with the 3.0 ohm. When I use the Boge 2.0 ohm, I find my typical range is 3.7 to 4.3. Although I do like a cooler vape with lots of TH. So actually, either carto would work for you.
 
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... I just watched a review on the eGo-C Twist and I looks good, but it's not designed for low res cartos or dual coil cartos (which were mentioned by some here). They hooked it up to a voltmeter and showed how it cut the voltage way down, which kinda defeats the purpose, right? So, is the eGo-C Twist still right for me? If it is, should I still use low res cartos and just not worry about the actual voltage or just get standard res cartos? This is where it get real confusing for me...

Or alternately, is there another VV device someone would like to recommend? The eGo looks hard to beat when looking at price, but again I'm not overly worried about that at the moment, because $25 spent on a PV that doesn't get me off cigs is just $25 wasted. If it takes a $350 PV to get the job done, I'll recover that from not buying cartons of Camels after about 7 weeks.

With variable power there's no real need to go with low res or dual coils, you can set the power to whatever you want with your PV and don't have to rely on your atties or carts to do it for you. The ego c twist isn't the best out there for sure, but as you saw some people like it and it's more for people on a budget. If you just want to go out and buy a Provari then that will take this out of the equation. I use a Darwin myself but you can't buy them right now. The Provari is the next best thing. However as I've said this is just one piece of the puzzle. However if you spend the extra money then that's one less thing you will be thinking you need ;)
 

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There's relatively little need for dual coils. I know there are fans, to be sure. But... particularly with vv, I don't see why you'd need em. There are other vv mods that have higher amp limits... and that's what you care about for DCCs.

Basically, a DCC is like vaping two SR or HV e-cigs at the same time... kinda double barreled vaping. So your battery has to supply double the current. It's hard on the battery and the electronics. The PV really needs to be designed for it.

That's not true for single coil LR on a VV device since you just lower the voltage for the LR. With a DCC you keep the voltage higher. So in one sense, ohms are ohms.. the device doesn't know the difference. A non-vv device DOESN'T know the difference and CAN'T be adjusted. But with DCC's the 1.6 ohm DCC is really two 3.2 ohm coils and many vapers want to vape higer voltage using two 3.2 ohm coils. That's high amps.

So if you want to use DCC's... look for a device that can support 4 amps.

As to SR and LR... these are fine for single-coil on a VV. "HV" 3.0 ohm stuff at 5 volts is even better. I think the SR and HV atties/cartos are more robust and hold up longer than LR.
 
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... I just watched a review on the eGo-C Twist and I looks good, but it's not designed for low res cartos or dual coil cartos (which were mentioned by some here). They hooked it up to a voltmeter and showed how it cut the voltage way down, which kinda defeats the purpose, right? So, is the eGo-C Twist still right for me? If it is, should I still use low res cartos and just not worry about the actual voltage or just get standard res cartos? This is where it get real confusing for me...

Or alternately, is there another VV device someone would like to recommend? The eGo looks hard to beat when looking at price, but again I'm not overly worried about that at the moment, because $25 spent on a PV that doesn't get me off cigs is just $25 wasted. If it takes a $350 PV to get the job done, I'll recover that from not buying cartons of Camels after about 7 weeks.

I have to ask how much you're willing to spend. Everyone's recommending the ego twist because of it's low price. For just about any other VV device, you'll have to buy the device, batteries and a charger. Also while the ego twist may not be cigarette sized, it's at least cigar sized. To go farther, you're looking at something that's either a box or quite a bit larger. Check these links to see what I'm talking about (priced lowest to highest):

  • Madvapes VV Box Mod cheapest around, performs as well and in many cases better than anything available. The only one in the list that uses a linear regulator which cuts into battery life. I've found it best to use AW IMRs in this one. I had trouble with protected cells popping their protection circuits.
  • Smoketek varicool looks similar to the Madvapes VV Box. Uses a switching regulator for better battery life.
  • New version lavatube this version is supposed to be higher amp. Not a lot of reviews yet.
  • VMAX you'll need to get batteries and a charger separately. Not much of a track record yet. Some drawbacks in features.
  • Buzz pro well respected mod, long track record for durability.
  • Infinity Pro same as the buzz pro different form factor. Batteries might be hard to get anywhere but notcigs.
  • Provari well respected mod, long track record for durability. Probably the best made around. Get the extension tube and 18650 batteries for long battery life. Lots of fanboys but, it's just a very well made VV. It does what a VV does.

For most of the above, you'll need to get batteries and a charger separately. You need at least 3 sets of batteries.

Since you've never used a manual battery, I'll point out one advantage they have you may not be aware of. You can get a little more vapor by pressing the button a couple seconds before you take a hit.
 

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Yes, that is exactly the right path for a person with the complaints you currently have.

The problem is that your Bloog is an 808-threaded device.
And the Ego Twist is a 510-threaded device.

I think you can get an adapter though.
Or wait until someone comes out with an 808-threaded variable voltage device.

I'm sure that isn't too far off.
:)

If you like the small form factor, the Twist is good. Most comments I've seen are favoring the 900mah version, just because the 1000mah is really long. Another one you might look at is the Innokin iTaste. It has some features not found in the Twist, and will run both 808 and 510 devices with the adapters.

GotVapes Innokin iTaste VV SQUARED 800mah Kit - BLACK [gv-iTastevvkit-BLACK] - $68.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

eGo C Twist Variable Voltage White

Phil Busardo and Lord Davon both have reviews on YouTube for both devices....suggest you take a look at them.
 

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I have to ask how much you're willing to spend. Everyone's recommending the ego twist because of it's low price. For just about any other VV device, you'll have to buy the device, batteries and a charger. Also while the ego twist may not be cigarette sized, it's at least cigar sized. To go farther, you're looking at something that's either a box or quite a bit larger. Check these links to see what I'm talking about (priced lowest to highest):

  • Madvapes VV Box Mod cheapest around, performs as well and in many cases better than anything available. The only one in the list that uses a linear regulator which cuts into battery life. I've found it best to use AW IMRs in this one. I had trouble with protected cells popping their protection circuits.
  • Smoketek varicool looks similar to the Madvapes VV Box. Uses a switching regulator for better battery life.
  • New version lavatube this version is supposed to be higher amp. Not a lot of reviews yet.
  • VMAX you'll need to get batteries and a charger separately. Not much of a track record yet. Some drawbacks in features.
  • Buzz pro well respected mod, long track record for durability.
  • Infinity Pro same as the buzz pro different form factor. Batteries might be hard to get anywhere but notcigs.
  • Provari well respected mod, long track record for durability. Probably the best made around. Get the extension tube and 18650 batteries for long battery life. Lots of fanboys but, it's just a very well made VV. It does what a VV does.

For most of the above, you'll need to get batteries and a charger separately. You need at least 3 sets of batteries.

Since you've never used a manual battery, I'll point out one advantage they have you may not be aware of. You can get a little more vapor by pressing the button a couple seconds before you take a hit.

If you are ready to invest in a high end device....this is a great list. I made the leap at about 2 months in, and bought a ProVari. I totally love it. Got the V2 first, and then a Mini recently to back it up. I haven't done the extension tube, but haven't really felt like I needed it, as I always make sure I charge the spare batteries and have one ready to go. I like the smaller size....and really love the Mini. The Lava Tube will do the same thing as the ProVari....but I just prefer the "fit and feel" of the ProVari. The Buzz Pro is another great option.
 

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I have to ask how much you're willing to spend. Everyone's recommending the ego twist because of it's low price. For just about any other VV device, you'll have to buy the device, batteries and a charger. Also while the ego twist may not be cigarette sized, it's at least cigar sized. To go farther, you're looking at something that's either a box or quite a bit larger. Check these links to see what I'm talking about (priced lowest to highest):

  • Madvapes VV Box Mod cheapest around, performs as well and in many cases better than anything available. The only one in the list that uses a linear regulator which cuts into battery life. I've found it best to use AW IMRs in this one. I had trouble with protected cells popping their protection circuits.
  • Smoketek varicool looks similar to the Madvapes VV Box. Uses a switching regulator for better battery life.
  • New version lavatube this version is supposed to be higher amp. Not a lot of reviews yet.
  • VMAX you'll need to get batteries and a charger separately. Not much of a track record yet. Some drawbacks in features.
  • Buzz pro well respected mod, long track record for durability.
  • Infinity Pro same as the buzz pro different form factor. Batteries might be hard to get anywhere but notcigs.
  • Provari well respected mod, long track record for durability. Probably the best made around. Get the extension tube and 18650 batteries for long battery life. Lots of fanboys but, it's just a very well made VV. It does what a VV does.

For most of the above, you'll need to get batteries and a charger separately. You need at least 3 sets of batteries.

Since you've never used a manual battery, I'll point out one advantage they have you may not be aware of. You can get a little more vapor by pressing the button a couple seconds before you take a hit.

If you are ready to invest in a high end device....this is a great list. I made the leap at about 2 months in, and bought a ProVari. I totally love it. Got the V2 first, and then a Mini recently to back it up. I haven't done the extension tube, but haven't really felt like I needed it, as I always make sure I charge the spare batteries and have one ready to go. I like the smaller size....and really love the Mini. The Lava Tube will do the same thing as the ProVari....but I just prefer the "fit and feel" of the ProVari. The Buzz Pro is another great option.

I think, for me, the high end device has just made it "more fun". I'm 3 months without smoking now, and enjoy playing with my toys and all the different flavors.
 

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One simple suggestion...stay away from tobacco flavored juices. All they did was make me want a cigarette. Try some of the sweet or fruit juices and see what happens.

I have to repeat this in case you missed. I believe my personal success was due to the fact that I thought tobacco flavors would make me want a cigarette so I started with strawberry and apple.
I went nuts from there.:oops: with bakery and all kinds of flavors.

This is VERY good advice.

(also I personally couldn't stop the cigarettes without 36mg and a 5V mod, but VV wasn't available at the time)
 

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I second that. As I mentioned earlier, I just don't feel as good vaping tobacco juice. It isn't even making me want to smoke a cigarette, I even get that from WTA tobacco. What you don't really hear much about and what I've always noticed is that the flavoring can add to the feel of a juice, and what I mean by feel is the effect that you get from it. So it's good to experiment and especially not to just vape tobacco flavors. Maybe they are best for you, maybe not, but you need to find out :)
 

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Wow, A LOT of great advice. I don't know where to begin. There are SO many options, and honestly a lot of this is over my head. I mean, sure, I get the concepts, but what exactly some of this means is still a cloudy mess. Regardless, my thoughts are coming together...

I'm strongly considering a ProVari. I like all the features, and especially the wide voltage range. AND the wife has already approved the price! :) I just want something that will remove all doubt that my gear is the problem. If I still have trouble, then I'll be able to narrow it down to liquids or cartos. The eGo-C Twist is nice, but it's not quite as wide a voltage range, it won't error like the ProVari if I over crank the power, and if I still have trouble I'll wonder if it's because I need to be at or over 5 volts.

Thoughts? Anyone want to try to talk me out of a ProVari? I'm still open to suggestions and comments.
 

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If I get the ProVari, can someone break down what else I need to get? Should I get the starter kit on the ProVape website? What type of cartos should I get? I don't like dripping, and I want as little hassle as possible, so I'm considering tanks... BUT HOLY COW THE OPTIONS. I don't want something too big. It has to look good with the PV (not like something junky stuck on) because I have a professional job in a conservative industry. I don't want to spend 4 days trying to figure this out. Can I get some recommendations of tanks that work good, look good with the ProVari, and are as hassle free as possible (maybe refill only 2-4 times a day)? Hassle free is my goal. I want vaping to be easy. Not a lot of battery swapping and juice filling.

THANKS SO MUCH to everyone! I am really motivated again, and am optimistic I can make it work this time.
 

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If you go with a ProVari, let me just say congrats. I don't think you'll be disappointed. I have several of them. :D

All you absolutely need for the ProVari is the batteries, the charger and the cartos. Anything else is icing on the cake, but here are my suggestions:

You need at least two batteries, three is better, and the charger of course. I would recommend starting out with Boge 3.0 ohm cartos and since you'll be using them at a fairly high voltage and you'll be going through more juice than you're used to, I would also recommend you look into getting at least one tank. It will ensure hands free/fiddle free all day vaping. Just fill your tank in the morning or evening and you're good to go. No refilling cartos every couple of hours when they run dry. The tank isn't necessary, just a suggestion to make this as easy (after learning curve) as possible. Oh, and a drip tip if you do go with the tank.

If you're really concerned about size, you might want to consider a ProVari Mini. I just bought my husband one in black and he really likes it. He would use one of my standard size ProVaris, but the size is a bit off putting to him. The battery life will be less using the 18350 batteries, but you can carry extras with you. You can also buy an extended cap and use the 18490 batteries for those times when size isn't a consideration or when it isn't convenient to carry a couple extra batteries with you. Although, I would recommend never leaving the house without at least one fully charged spare battery.

Regardless if you choose mini or standard, I think you can actually get a better deal on batteries and a charger if you look elsewhere. SupertManufacturing has good prices on the batteries and decent prices on the chargers. If you just want everything to come in one package so you know you have everything the first day, go ahead and get the ProVari kit, but you will probably be paying a just little more then if you bought the stuff separately. Even with the better prices on the accessories if you bought them elsewhere, shipping will be free with the ProVari, and you'd have to factor that in with all the other shipping charges you'd be paying otherwise. So maybe it comes out even, in which case I would go with the kit so you're not staring at your shiny new ProVari while you're waiting for the batteries to arrive!

As far as tank recommendations, I've used Lil Mama tanks from Big Daddy Vapor and I've been very happy with them. They have stainless and black delrin. If you get a black ProVari, the black delrin caps will look quite nice. I've also used j-tanks and smoktech tanks with equal success. I just find the Lil Mamas a bit easier to take apart and put back together. I actually use a different type of tank now, so there could be better options out there then those.

Good luck!
 
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I got a Provari with the 18650 cap and 2 18650 batteries. A Pila Charger all from provape
I got 2 sandblasted pyrex tanks from Phiniac.com. Very good tanks I own 3 now and highly recomend them
and 15 boge 3.0 cartos from madvapes I believe.
And order some drip tips from any of those places if you dont have any already.
you should be good to go for a while
 

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What is the difference in vape time between a ProVari V2 and a ProVari Mini V2 (without extender caps)? What's the mah? Size is a consideration, and I honestly don't mind switching out batteries 2-3 times a day, but I don't want it to be a constant hassle either. It's the ever 20 minutes with a Bloog that's killing me.

Also, I can kill a Bloog carto in about 20min. It's not bone dry, but the vapor and taste is falling off. How long do you think a tank would last me? ... of course, I guess that depends on the tank. Again, though, I don't mind refilling 2-3 times a day.
 

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One more thumbs up for the provari. Maybe this will nudge you in that direction... If you get one and decide its not working for you, it will be no problem to sell it and recoup a large percentage of what it cost you. It would go like hot cakes in the classies at the right price.

If you get one I'd also recommend 18650 batts, and the extension cap. I got the trustfire charger for my batteries, but pila is supposed to be the best. I'll get a pila eventually.

I'd also recommend some standard resistance cartomizers (boge are the ones I use) and eventually a tank (must punch the cartos for this, but you can think about that later).

WTAs have already been mentioned here, but I haven't seen snus recommended. I use snus occasionally when I get really antsy and stressed and feel I what used to be my 'I need a cigarette' feeling. Look into snus. Research shows that it's relatively safe (much safer than smoking at least) and it often gives people a little extra something that the e-cig might be missing. Google 'snus tobacco harm reduction' or search for snus here on the boards for more information.
 
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