Geekvape mech pro

[JadidasKV]

So i just order the mech pro, my first mech mod and first rba. Im also kinda new to vaping, about 5 months, but im pretty good with tinkering with stuff and learn most things pretty quickly, so i figured this would be more fun and just all around cheaper and better than regulated mods.

How should i build my coils? I got kanthal a1 28g roll of wire instead of the premade wraps and Japanese cotton, plus whatever wire comes with the coil master v3 i ordered as well. Samsung 25r 2500mah, panasonic ncr18650b 3.7v 3400mah batteries. Since theres no adjusting the wattage or anything, i haven't even seen anything about how many watts or anything the mod and rdta can handle either. All i seen was it can go below .1Ω.

Also, whats the difference between cotton candy cotton, the bacon cotton, Japanese cotton, and any others? Same with the different types of wire/coils. Like even the premade coils that are the same Ωs/resistance but alien, clapton, kanthal, blah blah blah. I know the stainless steel, titanium, blah blah blah, all those can make it taste different and some get hotter quicker and at lower wattages, but cant adjust the watts on this mod so what are the advantages and disadvantages of the different wires?

Sorry all the boob/noob questions, its jus that this is all pretty new to me, obviously, and i want to learn as much as possible before it gets here and i start building. I do have a very basic understanding of ohms law, i have an automotive electrical book i can refresh my memory with.

 

[Ben85]

You are asking for a lot of information there. I'm not one to normally recommend the usual "use the search function" but considering just how much info you seem to lack, I'd suggest to do just that.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

The ncr18650b has an insufficient CDR to be used in a mech actually for
vaping at all.
If you intend to use it as a dual battery they must be identical/ matched/ married pair.
Ni & Ti wire is for use with TC capable power devices using the appropriate tc mode only.

Seems you have quite a steep learning curve ahead of you, battery safety & selection is where I'd reccomend to start.
Mechanicals can become dangerous quickly, especially dual battery types.
Understanding every detail of battery amp limitations, the power & delivery device, resistance and what you're doing & why is the only way to use a mech safely.

Probably a good idea to read & ask questions in the ' mech mod ' subforum.

 

[JadidasKV]

I did get both of the batteries listed in pairs. I wouldnt use them separately, thats why i bought two of each. I know mech can be dangerous, thats why im askin question.

I did a search for the geekvape mech pro mod but nothing came up. After posting this i started reading a beginners mech mod thread, but so far hasnt answered any of my questions. All that came up for the mech pro mod was review videos. Thats why i asked questions about it. Even reading a few basic threads on mech mods didnt answer any of the questions i posted. I didnt try to search for specific things, just about mech mods in general, but havent came across any of my questions.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Point being it isn't about how many watts the box or Rba can handle.
It is all about how many amps your batteries can handle safely.
You bought 2 that shouldn't be used in a mech at all.

If you're not well versed in coil building sticking with kanthal 24 - 26 ga with a simple build is best. The fancy coils just have more mass that takes more power to heat & reduce battery life.
IMO, a simple two strands twisted coil works as well or better than the fancy named coil builds.
I answered your question about wire types. Ni / Ti.
Too low resistance and too thin gauge causes the coil to heat so fast all you get is burnt taste. Too thick slow heating & low battery life.

Difference in cotton is how the fibers lay, region it is produced in fancy names to attract buyers and mostly personal preference.
Rayon works well too.

Seems like you want someone to write a book on mech/rba use, the first chapter would be selecting the correct batteries, battery amp ratings, ohms law & battery saftey.

There are zero blah, blah, blahs in using a mechanical safely.

 

[daviedog]

Search for "Safety" in using a mech mod,
Look up ohms law, watts law as it relates to Vaping not automotive.
Check out Steam Engine.
Sorta hope your vape mail is late..

 

[JadidasKV]

I have been reading about ohms laws when it comes to vaping. I would never use something that can have such serious consequences without understanding it first. Jus because i ordered it, doesnt mean im going fire it up the second it arrives. I may not know a lot about them, but im not stupid enough to go firing up with something so dangerous before i understand it. Thats why i have been reading and asking questions. I take this very seriously and going to risk blowing my face off until i have a greater understanding

 

[JadidasKV]

I understand i got 2 of the wrong batteries. I made the mistake of just looking for 3.7a and 4.2a like the one in my cupti and 3400mah cause it was the highest one, it didnt show a cdr or discharge rating. I ordered it off a vape site and the listing said Panasonic NCR18650B 18650 Rechargeable Li-ion battery has high capacity 3400mah, it must be a great choice for you. Coming from a site that sales all vape stuff i figured it would be ok. This is why i asked questions before using it and pretending i know it all. No biggie, not all is lost from them, i can still use them in the ohm meter that comes with the coil master v3.

I know theres no blah blah blah in mech building. I take mech mods very seriously. I would never use that on something important that would cause harm. It was 3-4am, i was dead tired, and didnt want to type out every kind of wire material. I typed the first ones my tired brain could think of. I should have said ect instead of blah blah blah, but i was over tired and it was jus coil material which i didnt think was important enough to list every kind of materials.

Reason i got the 28g, i watched a couple videos of ppl building on the medusa with the mech pro and they used a 28g wire with 8wraps. While i was looking for batteries and such a package with cotton and 28g a1 kanthol popped up n i thought hey thats what the guys in the videos used so ill order it lol.

I understand its more about the amps the battery can handle than the watts the mod and rba can handle, i was just curious because i didnt see anything about the wattage for the mod in all the videos and threads i read, so i was just curious. Figured the more i know about the mod the better and safer i can use it.

 

[Ben85]

All of the answers to your questions will be in this forum in probably hundreads of threads. The problem is, you are searching for your specific mech mod instead of learning the principles of owning and using a mech. The principles are actually simple and once you understand them you can use pretty much any mech safely. Baditude's blog will help you.

 

[vapdivrr]

You said you didn't see anything on how much wattage this mod can handle? This is determined by the resistance of your coil. If you used your 28g wire, (I personally would recommend 26g ) and made a 1 ohm coil , your wattage would be about 16 watts depending on where your batteries voltage is at. Voltage squared divided by resistance. So a mech doesn't really have a set wattage , it's determined by the resistance. Your wattage or should i say amps shouldn't exceed your batteries capabilities, so it's extremely important to not build to low of a resistance. At first (after getting the correct batteries and fully knowing their capabilities ) I would try 26g single coil builds in the .6 range which puts you in the 25 watt range. This range is pretty safe and a good start and eventually work from there. Being that you have the 28g already, you can obviously use it, but it's kind of thin and has a sort of hi resistance, so it's better used for resistances from 1 ohm and up (because to be of a lower resistances you just wouldn't have enough wraps and it would be a hot coil). So being this wire is for 1 ohm and up, you can only obtain lower wattages. Being you already have this wire, either do a 1 ohm coil, or you can twist 2 strands together to obtain a thicker wire. You also need to know the resistance of your coil before installing it on your mech and know there are no shorts in it, this is very important! ! So you either need a multimeter, ohms checker or a regulated device, because if you made a coil and it's super low or has a short, you have no protection

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[JadidasKV]

You said you didn't see anything on how much wattage this mod can handle? This is determined by the resistance of your coil. If you used your 28g wire, (I personally would recommend 26g ) and made a 1 ohm coil , your wattage would be about 16 watts depending on where your batteries voltage is at. Voltage squared divided by resistance. So a mech doesn't really have a set wattage , it's determined by the resistance. Your wattage or should i say amps shouldn't exceed your batteries capabilities, so it's extremely important to not build to low of a resistance. At first (after getting the correct batteries and fully knowing their capabilities ) I would try 26g single coil builds in the .6 range which puts you in the 25 watt range. This range is pretty safe and a good start and eventually work from there. Being that you have the 28g already, you can obviously use it, but it's kind of thin and has a sort of hi resistance, so it's better used for resistances from 1 ohm and up (because to be of a lower resistances you just wouldn't have enough wraps and it would be a hot coil). So being this wire is for 1 ohm and up, you can only obtain lower wattages. Being you already have this wire, either do a 1 ohm coil, or you can twist 2 strands together to obtain a thicker wire. You also need to know the resistance of your coil before installing it on your mech and know there are no shorts in it, this is very important! ! So you either need a multimeter, ohms checker or a regulated device, because if you made a coil and it's super low or has a short, you have no protection

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Thank you for the advice, this is what i was looking for. I read the beginners guild for mech mods thread on here, and played around on the ohms calculator, thats why i was asking about the wattages that are safe for this mod.

I got the coil master v3 kit which has the ohms meter you can build, read, and fire the coils on, as well as i think 26g wire so ill have 28 and 26. I also have a multi meter and a couple of regulated mods i can double and triple check on before putting it on the mech mod. I jus want to be safe and have a thorough understanding of what i didnt full understand after reading the beginners guide and playing around on the ohms calculator.
I have no prob not using the ncr batteries on the mod and only using them for the meter if its not going to be safe, but couldnt i just build a coil that would work for it? I think those batteries have a 6.7amp dcr, so wouldnt i be able to do a 1ohm coil build with them? Wouldnt that only put me at like 42-43watts? If theres no coil build that wont work with safely with them i have no prob not using them. Jus wondering.

 

[JadidasKV]

All of the answers to your questions will be in this forum in probably hundreads of threads. The problem is, you are searching for your specific mech mod instead of learning the principles of owning and using a mech. The principles are actually simple and once you understand them you can use pretty much any mech safely. Baditude's blog will help you.

Believe me i have been reading and watching videos and learning a lot about mech mods. I jus dont know a lot and somethings i dont fully understand. I always second guess everything so i jus like to ask to make sure i fully understand first instead of pretending i know and risk doing something stupid. Im sure i sound a lot dumber than i really am. And honestly, i dont care how dumb i may sound, id rather make sure i really know and understand what im doing.

Idk some ppl see things differently. Ya its good to have a good understanding of mech mods in general than one device, but i see it as this is the device im going to be using so i should learn how to use it safely and at the same time it will teach me about mech mods in general. Some ppl see things and learn things differently. As long as you're learning and are going to understand what you're doing safely before you actually do it.

Im not always great with words/wording. Sometimes whats rolling around in my brain isnt as easy to get it out on paper/type it out as it should be lol. Like i said i may sound stupider than i really am and always second guess myself, so its easier for me to understand something if i discuss it after i read it so i know i understand it before i jump into it. If its going to get me to use it safely, i dont care how stupid i sound/seem as long as the end result isnt blowing my face off lol

 

[vapdivrr]

Thank you for the advice, this is what i was looking for. I read the beginners guild for mech mods thread on here, and played around on the ohms calculator, thats why i was asking about the wattages that are safe for this mod.

I got the coil master v3 kit which has the ohms meter you can build, read, and fire the coils on, as well as i think 26g wire so ill have 28 and 26. I also have a multi meter and a couple of regulated mods i can double and triple check on before putting it on the mech mod. I jus want to be safe and have a thorough understanding of what i didnt full understand after reading the beginners guide and playing around on the ohms calculator.
I have no prob not using the ncr batteries on the mod and only using them for the meter if its not going to be safe, but couldnt i just build a coil that would work for it? I think those batteries have a 6.7amp dcr, so wouldnt i be able to do a 1ohm coil build with them? Wouldnt that only put me at like 42-43watts? If theres no coil build that wont work with safely with them i have no prob not using them. Jus wondering.

Honestly I haven't done mechs in like 4 years and when I did, I built in the 1 ohm range but always used the best and highest rated batteries of the times. I honestly don't know much on those particular batteries, so I cannot say. A 1 ohm coil is is not pushing many amps so you should be good but I would get more responses on this because I have heard certain batteries can be mis labeled or rewaps, so it's best to get more info on those.

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[B2L]

Welcome to the wonderful world of mechs! First, some of the replies you have gotten are out of concern for your safety as well as vapings reputation. I agree that battery safety should be your first concern and there is no better reference than Moochs blog Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum

A few things I would recommend, avoid the temptation to build as low as you can go, test your builds before putting them on your mod without the cap on as well as with the cap on to make sure you're not going to short out, follow proper battery safety when charging and carrying spares.

Good on you for asking questions first

 

[bwh79]

Idk some ppl see things differently. Ya its good to have a good understanding of mech mods in general than one device, but i see it as this is the device im going to be using so i should learn how to use it safely and at the same time it will teach me about mech mods in general. Some ppl see things and learn things differently.

Ok but the point is, you can find plenty of info about safety as it pertains to mech mods, about safety as it pertains to mech mods with dual batteries, even safety as it pertains to mech mods with dual batteries that are wired in parallel. But, if you go looking specifically for "safety as it pertains to the GeekVape Mech Pro kit" im afraid you're going to find sh*t-all on the subject because, well, it's a brand new device and nobody has had one for very long yet, it's NOT all that exciting, interesting, or novel, and there is likely nothing new to talk about that isn't already covered in one of the multitude of other parallel-mech-safety videos that are already out there. The info is out there, it's just not going to be wrapped up in a neat little package called "this book has the answers you are looking for JadidasKV."

 

[JadidasKV]

Ok but the point is, you can find plenty of info about safety as it pertains to mech mods, about safety as it pertains to mech mods with dual batteries, even safety as it pertains to mech mods with dual batteries that are wired in parallel. But, if you go looking specifically for "safety as it pertains to the GeekVape Mech Pro kit" im afraid you're going to find sh*t-all on the subject because, well, it's a brand new device and nobody has had one for very long yet, it's NOT all that exciting, interesting, or novel, and there is likely nothing new to talk about that isn't already covered in one of the multitude of other parallel-mech-safety videos that are already out there. The info is out there, it's just not going to be wrapped up in a neat little package called "this book has the answers you are looking for JadidasKV."

Yes i get that, and im not looking for a this book is for jadidaskv and how to safely use only the geekvape mech pro, but shouldnt knowing the minimum and maximum wattage the mod you're going to be using safely be an important factor? It may not be as important as resistance and volts from the battery, but i couldnt find anything on the wattage for this particular mod and since theres no safety features on this mod, i figured its an important question to ask. I get that its a new nothing exciting mod and all the specific ins and outs arent known by many ppl, but i figured someone may know the wattage it can handle. I dont want to push its boundaries, but i figure its important to know so i dont push its limits.

I appreciate everyones advice and concerns for my safety, as well as the reputation of the vape community. Safety is the name of the game, especially with mech mods, thats why i feel theres no stupid questions when it comes to using them properly, if you're not 100% positive and have a clear understanding, ask away. Its only going to be beneficial in the long run, regardless of how stupid you/i may feel asking such basic questions. You can never be to safe or too sure dealing with mech mods and RBAs. Thank you all very much. Your advice and concerns are greatly appreciated.

 

[MaxximusRevelation]

Amps= voltage over ohms
Watts= amps by voltage

You keep asking the max wattage it can take but have previously stated that it says it can fire down to .1 ohm. So the max wattage it can do is 176.4 watts but you're also pulling roughly 22amps per battery if running in dual mode (which is the only way to fire it at that low resistance)

 

[Topwater Elvis]

The wattage is the direct result of the resistance used & battery voltage at any given time.
Voltage to the coil at x resistance = watt & amp drain.

Example;
4.2v / .5 = 35.28w ~ 8.4 a
4.2v / .1 = 176.4w ~ 42a
As battery voltage diminishes so does w & a.
Basic ohms law.

 

[EIHYPI]

I've been vaping for about 3 years but never used devices that didn't have protection features. My first mod that used 18650s was the Smok Alien. So my knowledge of vaping got kind of delayed a bit and I was missing out quite a while I guess. I started to build my own coils about 1-2 months ago and I am rather successful with that. I joined ECF just a little while ago and have been learning quite a lot about battery safety and ohms law, especially from threads like yours. I'm taking things as they come, learning new things daily. I'm not in a rush to go use a mech mod because I know that I am not ready to use one yet as far as my experience and knowledge for one goes. I do know too that mech mods can seem attractive but should stay cool (temperature) and not get too hot from a short and the person ending up in the news. It's best not be be unsure because that's where you'd be lacking in knowledge of your vape.

 

[bwh79]

Yes i get that, and im not looking for a this book is for jadidaskv and how to safely use only the geekvape mech pro, but shouldnt knowing the minimum and maximum wattage the mod you're going to be using safely be an important factor? It may not be as important as resistance and volts from the battery, but i couldnt find anything on the wattage for this particular mod and since theres no safety features on this mod, i figured its an important question to ask. I get that its a new nothing exciting mod and all the specific ins and outs arent known by many ppl, but i figured someone may know the wattage it can handle. I dont want to push its boundaries, but i figure its important to know so i dont push its limits.

Ok but it's a mech. If you'd start in on some of the research we've suggested, instead of just asking the same question over and over, you'll see that it doesn't HAVE a "maximum watts it can handle." That is entirely a matter of what battery you put in it. And with the batteries you do have, one should not be used at all, and the other I believe (you should check though) is rated at 20A which means you can theoretically drive them to around 84 watts per battery on a full charge, but that drops to around 60 watts as they drain, and that's running them at full-bore with no margin for error. In a dual-battery parallel mech you could technically build as low as .11 with the 25R's but as a rookie you should probably stick to at least twice that much.