Geekvape mech pro

[Topwater Elvis]

jeez,
Those batteries will severely limit what wire gauge, resistances, coil builds you can use safely.
Might as well use an ego twist & protank & save the headache.

If you use 2 authentic name brand 20a CDR cells you can go from mild to wild
(within reason) & still leave a safety margin under their CDR.

In a previous post you were given a link to Mooch's blog, he tests the cells we use and does a good job of relaying battery info in simple easy to understand terms.
Read them.

 

[Alter]

I see everybody has filled you with battery concerns and safety:
Here's my bite at the mech apple...
- Your batteries are crap, your just asking for a accident using them for vaping.
- basically your geekvape mech is offering twice the mAh of the batteries, not twice the power.
- 24 and 26 gauge wire take a long time to heat up cause they are thick and you will not get a long performance out of the battery in a mech before it begins to loose power and performance.
- your at the mercy of the quality and power of your batteries since there are no electronics to regulate them to a certain voltage or wattage. Your batts begin to drain the quality of your vape drains with them.
- 28 gauge is still a bit thick but IMO work best for the mech.
- Build over 1.0 ohm to 1.4, the higher the ohm of the coil the longer your batteries will last before they need recharging.
- DON'T let the batts run below 3.4 volts or you could damage them and they begin to degrade faster or in the case of cheap batteries they might not recharge properly. Some chargers are capable of charging over discharged batteries properly.
- Remember thats a unprotected device in your hand that could do damage so respect it and it'll respect you.

 

[JadidasKV]

I said i have no problem not using them if they arent going to work good for it. I can use them for my ohm reader and its not a complete lose. Jus the way ppl were sayin it made it seem like they could not be used so i was wondering why since i been reading everything everyones suggesting which all said it would work. Ok theyll work but they arent a great choice. Fine. Now that thats dont and out of they way

Ive read the links/threads you guys have to told me to read. I get that they can be dangerous and you want me to be safe, but its like you guys think im not listening or paying attention to what you're saying and i know absolutely nothing about whats going on/how they work.

Honestly it started getting to the point i was getting more confused the way you guys keep repeating things and making it seem like i have no clue whats going on or not paying attention like im not picking up on things when i do and i am.

I have got some great advice, wonderful advice. I know so much more in jus two days from how much info you guys have given me and from the links/threads you've all suggested and i greatly appreciate it. But you guys are making it seem like i have no clue whats going on or like you're talking to a child. I know you want me to be safe and learn these things, which i have, but repeating the samethings and making i seem like i dont know them jus confuses me and makes it harder to learn more. It would have been a lot less confusing if said those batteries will work but they arent a good choice. You're limited to what you can do as far as builds and will be low wattage. Instead of, you got the wrong batteries. Those batteries shouldnt be used in mech. Read this, then what i read says they can be used low wattage. Let ppl know why instead of telling them its the wrong one. It may be what someones looking for. You never know. Some ppl like low watts, some ppl like huge clouds, some ppl can't handle huge clouds, some ppl like me look for flavor most of the time and some times and big clouds, or vice versa.

Also with the coil wire. Earlier ppl said use 24-26, the 28 will do but 24 26 better. Now use 28, its better than 24 26. These type of contradictories confuse ppl. I get it that its all personal taste, but the use this dont use this, then no dont use that use this can confuse the crap outa ppl.

 

[Ben85]

In some respects you are looking for a simple answer that doesn't exist because vaping preferences are so varied.

Ultimately you want to find out the limit of your batteries and build a coil within those limits. The gauge, diameter, placement, material, wicking material, is all personal preference and you choose what you want through trial and error and after finding what type of vaping style you prefer. This is why you aren't getting the simple answers you want, because there is no right or wrong.

So as I said before, read baditudes blog, learn how to use a mech safely (and in this case - a parallel mech) and then go off and experiment, find what you want and then ask specific questions regarding specific elements in the necessary forum.

 

[Eskie]

OK, from the link @Topwater Elvis already posted to Mooch's test:
"Bottom Line
This battery is often shown as a 6.4A 3400mAh battery but it's not. The datasheet clearly shows its rating is 4.875A and 3200mAh. Due to its very high internal resistance and lower capacity it is easily outperformed by the Panasonic NCR18650GA, LG MJ1, and other high-capacity batteries. I do not recommend using it over 12W/3A to minimize voltage sag."

Note, the recommendation is to not use these in a setup that will draw more than 3A off the battery. The reason everyone is puzzled by your continued desire to use those batteries is why would you ever bother using a parallel mech mod with that limitation?

It literally defeats the whole purpose you got the mech for. Even a 1 ohm build will exceed that, requiring 3.7A at 3.7V (always use the nominal voltage rating, as the 4.2V on a full charge will fall off reasonably fast).

Can you use them? Sure, nothing to stop you from a safety perspective with say a 1.3 ohm build. Should you use them? Why bother with a parallel if you're only going to draw 10W? You could use an eGo style pen which is a lot smaller, easier to pocket, and doesn't require an external battery charger (you do have a charger for those batteries, right? I'm assuming yes, but assumptions aren't always accurate).

A parallel mech was not built to be used in that manner. You can, but it's an awful lot of trouble and money to go through for a 1.3 ohm build.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

The ohms meter that also fires the coil will need a battery with a CDR suffeciant to safely support the resistances it is firing too.

I'm not familiar with the ohm reader that comes in the kit you mentioned.
The box type build on ohms meter I most often use can be used to vape on just like a single cell mech.
I use a true 30a CDR cell in it for safety reasons.

Dang sure don't want a 4.9a battery in it if / when you have a short, testing low resistances, have a coil or leg touching the deck etc.

Sure the cell will work, but, it will limit what you can do so severely, IMO it wouldn't be worth the time it takes to install the battery in the ohms reader.

A 3a to 4.9a cell really has extremely little to no use in vaping. That is unless you're trying to replicate an ego battery with protank/ce4 type vape experience but with longer run time.

 

[Eskie]

If you happen to have a flashlight that takes 18650's, those Panasonic batteries are perfect.

 

[beckdg]

Yes i get that, and im not looking for a this book is for jadidaskv and how to safely use only the geekvape mech pro

Yes. You are.

Please for your own good, listen to the fantastic advice you've been given.

When I see you ask if 43 watts is too much for a 6 amp battery, I get scared for you.

Then to see you arguing back is tough to watch.

Please!

Listen.
Search.
Learn.
Explore the tools.
Baby steps.
1 simple question at a time.

Accept that learning all this could take months. Easily.

You're bleeding and never learned to swim and you're jumping in the deep end with hungry sharks.

Tapatyped

 

[JadidasKV]

Again. I said i have no problem not using those batteriers. I dont have a continued desire to use those batteries. Im not arguing back. I was told they were the wrong batteries and should not be used ina mech mod or any mod at all for that matter, which is just wrong. They do have their place and can be a good battery at a low wattage. Do you have lots of options with them? No. Can they be used? Yes. I jus wanted to know why ppl kept saying they were the wrong batteries/why ppl were saying they shouldnt be used for vaping, then i read the things ppl tell me to read and low and behold ppl are using them. Not everyone is a cloud chucker. Not everyone w a mech mod is a cloud chucker/going to be vaping at high wattage low resistance. Some ppl like mech mods just because they dont have chips, wires, and various other parts in them that can fail making them last nearly for ever and be able to be repaired unlike a regulated mod or internal battery mod that once they go they're all done. The simplicity (very few parts)/reliability is a good reason to have a mech mod, not jus cloud chucking, high wattage, and subohm builds. So telling someone they are the wrong battery and shouldnt be used in any mod is jus bad advice. Let them know how they can be used. Especially if you dont know their style of vaping. If you know what they are looking for/how they vape and those batteries wont work with their build, then you can tell them they are the wrong battery.

Ok so they cant be used in the ohms reader either. I didnt know the battery for the meter had to be the same battery/have the same cdr that would be used in the mod/for that build. I thought it was just to give it power. Thank you for letting me know that. I dont have it yet so i wasnt able to read the directions yet, but thank you for letting me know.

Ok so now enough about those batteries. Dead issue now. Everyone agree that there is no longer any reason to talk about those batteries? Ok... good.

I never intended to put 43w through a 6amp battery. Look at the numbers/example i posted. It was 14-15w at 3.5amps. No where near 43w. And thats not saying thats how i was going to use it, it was just an example showing that they could be used.

Im not looking for a simple answer, im not looking for a book especially for me and my answers. I already figured out most of what i was looking for. Everyone just keeps repeating themselves and assuming i dont know anything, yet some of the ppl telling me to read and pay attention arent reading and paying attention themselves, thats why the same things kept getting said over and over again. Ive read all the things everyone suggested i read. I know all the things that everyone keeps saying time and time again. Ive been doing lots of research the last few days. Not just ppls comments in this thread.

Thank you to the ppl that have been helpful and gave good advice. Its much appreciated.

 

[Bad Ninja]

The reason they assume you dont understand is based on your questions and comments.


The CDR of the batteries you are using determine the safe limits of your build and the power you are using.
We use ohms law and the battery specs to determine this.

Mechs have a learning curve that you can't bypass and use safely.

 

[Eskie]

I never intended to put 43w through a 6amp battery. Look at the numbers/example i posted. It was 14-15w at 3.5amps. No where near 43w. And thats not saying thats how i was going to use it, it was just an example showing that they could be used.

One last point on the topic and then I think all the bases are covered. The number you posted, 14-15W at 3.5A exceeds the recommendation of Mooch, who's really, really smart with batteries, and wrote to not use over 12W/3A (see my post #45). So yes, folks around here are concerned and kinda mystified as to why you still have any desire to use batteries that even at your own 15W, 3.5A preference (or at least what you posted), have already exceeded the recommended use of those cells.

Serious, if you feel you need to somehow get some value out of the $10 you spent on them, PM me and I'll send you the $10 by PP to make up the difference and keep you safe. That's not because I know you or anything, but because every time something goes wrong, typically in a mech, it ends up making the news and brings all sorts of attention to the fact these thing are "not safe". Given the current fragile state on the new direction vaping legislation and regulation may be taking in the US with a new Administration in Washington, it's worth ten bucks to me to keep a scare story out of the media, even if in truth the failure event was caused by your personal choices. The rest of the vape world is still impacted in adding more ammunition to the save the children crowd.

 

[beckdg]

I know all the things

In one day?

In less time than it takes to read through the material?

That's amazing!

Took me years and some previous electronics background.

And I still came here humble and eager to learn.

And that's just batteries.

Tapatyped

 

[EIHYPI]

How should i build my coils? I got kanthal a1 28g roll of wire instead of the premade wraps

How long have you been building your own coils? Building your coils with little or no experience can be disastrous on a mech. It's best to practice and start off with a regulated mod until you are familiar with all this.

 

[JadidasKV]

I didnt say i know everything. I said i know MOST of the things i originally asked about and everything that ppl keep saying over and over again. Take half of the sentence and try to make it look like i said i know everything. And it wasnt 1 day. Its been 3 days and ive got some great advice hear and have been doing tons and tons of reasearch hours and hours a day. Again, im not trying at act like i know everything. I know everything that some of you keep saying over and over again. Like w those batteries, how mech mods can be dangerous and have no protection, and the very basic stuff thats been repeated a million times on this thread.

Its funny how some ppl keep saying to read and pay attention, yet some of them arent paying attention. I said many many many times i have no problem not using those batteries, yet ppl still say/think i have a desire to use them. Its the first sentence in my last two posts, and in a few more before that.

I understand that you guys want me to be safe, and i greatly appreciate that and im greatly appreciative on the good advice ive been given. Im sorry if i sound like im getting pissy/aggravated, im just getting tired of ppl acting like i dont know s#!t, acting like i dont understand what their saying, not paying attention to what im saying and think im risking being safe in order to not take a $10 on batteries i said multiple times i have problem not using them, and keep repeating the same thing a million times like they're talkin to a 2 year old like i didnt understand it the first 100 times. I get it.

I never said i know a lot about coil building. I havent built any coils yet. Thats why i was asking for advice. When i said i know MOST of the things i first asked about, coil building is one of the things i havent learned a ton about yet. Ive researched it a little bit, but ive havent done enough yet. Ive been researching more about batteries and safety.

I have 3 regulated mods. I also ordered the coil master v3 that comes with the ohm reader that i can build and fire the coils on. I have a multimeter, as well as regulated mods so i can double and triple check everything before i use them on the mech mod.

Im still waiting for the mech mod and everything else we've been talking about to arrive in the mail. I have no intentions or opening everything up and firing it all up the day it gets here. I have every intention to make sure im confident in all aspects before i fire it up. Whether its a week, two weeks, a month, or 6 months. Whatever it takes. How ever long it takes until i full understand all aspects. Anyone can watch a video or read and follow directions, that doesnt mean you understand or know what you're doing and why. Im not taking that chance. Ill take however long it takes until i know im 100% ready.

 

[MMW]

So, how do you currently vape and intend to vape? MTL/DTL, RDA/RTA, hot/warm/cool vape, what are you using right now for gear?

 

[beckdg]

Relax and stay focused.

Use steam engine, an ohms law calculator and your tester to ridiculous redundancy for a while.

Double check everything.

Keep learning and asking questions.

You'll be fine.

Tapatyped

 

[JadidasKV]

My first mod was a kanger cupti, which i dont really like. The flavor jus isnt that good with it. It taste too...idk..airy or something lol.

Second mod is a smok osub plus 80w and i use the v8 baby q2 .4Ω coils. I like it a lot. I get great flavor out of it, pretty good clouds. I run that around 37-50w, usually around 40.
Last mod i got was the vaporesso target mini. Its very well made mod. I like it but not crazy about it. It does have amazing flavor. A lot of my juices taste better out of the vaporesso, but a lot taste better from the osub too so its hard to tell which has better flavor. The main reason i dont love my vaporesso...its not poweful enough. I dont really feel the hits/puffs. I can sit there n suck on the thing as hard as i can for as long as i can, even then it hardly feels like to took a hit . Its a top airflow tank, its super smooth, but too smooth.

Id say my main concern is flavor. Ya i like cloud chasing some times, but flavor id say is my main priority. I also like trying to learn tricks. Some times i like mtl, some times i like drl.

The tank it came with is an RDTA. I honestly cant say right now if im if id rather rdt or rba, i havent done either yet, so that im not picky with. What i dont like about rda is the constant dripping, but see a lota ppl saying thats where you get the best flavor. Which is kinda why i went with the rdta, i can so both.

 

[beckdg]

What i dont like about rda is the constant dripping, but see a lota ppl saying thats where you get the best flavor. Which is kinda why i went with the rdta, i can so both.

That's why I squonk.

It's an rda.

Except the bottle is inside the mod.

All you do is squeeze it and hit it.

Tapatyped

 

[Eskie]

When you say you went with the RDTA, I'm assuming that's the Medusa? While I know it's marketed as an RDTA, to me it seems more like and RDA with real big juice wells. I say this because in a typical RDTA (coils on top, juice in the bottom) the bottom is glass so you can see how much juice is left. Easier to avoid a dry hit from running the tank all the way down. I'm not exactly sure how you can do that with a metal bottom. It's also a reason I don't understand metal in place of the glass on RTAs as you can run it dry. Maybe if you're using temp control you can avoid a dry hit, but otherwise I'm not sure how folks do it. Hopefully someone here can pop in with an answer for that.

The Medusa can also, to my knowledge, be used like an RDA, so sort of a best of both worlds setup. You might want to check the RTA section here. I'm pretty sure there is a thread about the Medusa you might find helpful.

 

[EIHYPI]

When you say you went with the RDTA, I'm assuming that's the Medusa? While I know it's marketed as an RDTA, to me it seems more like and RDA with real big juice wells. I say this because in a typical RDTA (coils on top, juice in the bottom) the bottom is glass so you can see how much juice is left. Easier to avoid a dry hit from running the tank all the way down. I'm not exactly sure how you can do that with a metal bottom. It's also a reason I don't understand metal in place of the glass on RTAs as you can run it dry. Maybe if you're using temp control you can avoid a dry hit, but otherwise I'm not sure how folks do it. Hopefully someone here can pop in with an answer for that.

The Medusa can also, to my knowledge, be used like an RDA, so sort of a best of both worlds setup. You might want to check the RTA section here. I'm pretty sure there is a thread about the Medusa you might find helpful.

I like your opinion that metal can't have you see and will make you run it dry. I have the Tsunami RDA that has a glass so you can see if the cotton is dry or not. A lot of people say that it just fogs up but wasn't my experience.