Genesis Air Shapes/Patterns

[motelgrim]

We all know how important the airhole placement is on a genesis. It means the difference between a lot of vapor and almost none.
I've had a few genesis attys namely the Phoenix, DID mini and AGA-T. It's clear to me that the shape or path the air takes is center to things like flavor, throat hit, and vapor production. I'd be very interested to see if anyone has tried to shape the airflow on their atty to attain a particular effect. Zenesis mods have a large center post nut that Zen claims affects the resultant hit. I can see how that might be the case.
I've thought about adding an insert into my AGA that forces the air to follow a particular path instead of going directly up and out.

If anyone has thoughts or experiences in this area, I would be very interested to hear how it went for you.

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[pdib]

So I did some playing around with this, and the short answer for me was that the differences were negligible.
#1 was my freakamungo carry cool juice throught the chamber and position the air hole behind it experiment. It looked like this . . . View attachment 184911
. . . yes, that's three holes with the wick coming up, going back down, then coming up inside more wick. I detected a minescule difference.
#2 is where I used a vivi nova washer (from inside the silicone top cap) flat side up as my spring washer for AGA-t + post. (kind of a mushroom head effect). Nothing, just tighter draw . . . . maybe a scazillionth less flavor.
#3 oversized my air hole (AGA) . . . zilch
#4 wrapped a thin wire around top cap to cut the draw down on that oversized air hole (draw felt diff. but whatever)
#5 U-wick, #5a dual coil u-wick (w/ air hole positioning trials)
#6 NOW, here's the one thing, the thing that ZAPS the flavor right into your vape; use your fully topped off genny as a driipping atomizer at the same time. It actually brings the flavors of a genny (deep and warm) and a dripper (bright and airy) on at the same time. Symphonic, Stereophonic? Stereoaromatic!

 

[pdib]

Plugging the oversized hole I drilled on AGA. Thinking of redrilling with in-line holes (2 @ 1/32). Horizontal, vertical? Distance apart? Any ideas, or tried and true layouts out there?

 

[grindle]

Drill the holes vertically, about 2mm apart. I've got a similar build on another dripper and it fills me up with vapour much faster than I thought it would, so much that I find it hard to take the usual 5 second draw without spluttering.
Which was the point. Short draw = heaven.

 

[chadsmo]

Drill the holes vertically, about 2mm apart. I've got a similar build on another dripper and it fills me up with vapour much faster than I thought it would, so much that I find it hard to take the usual 5 second draw without spluttering.
Which was the point. Short draw = heaven.

So instead of making the original hole twice as big on the AGA (which I hear is popular) drill a second of the same size right above the original ? I'll have my first RBA, an IGO L , on Monday and if I don't like the draw I was just gonna widen the original to 1/16.

 

[pdib]

Cool. I'm starting blank. First hole @ original height? 2nd 2mm above?

 

[pdib]

So instead of making the original hole twice as big on the AGA (which I hear is popular) drill a second of the same size right above the original ? I'll have my first RBA, an IGO L , on Monday and if I don't like the draw I was just gonna widen the original to 1/16.

That's what I did, 1/16". Now I'm plugging! If you do single hole resize, go with 3/64". That really seems to be the consensus. More recently produced AGAs (IGO-l may be same) sometimes are 3/64 already. 2 of those would be a bit much, methinks.

 

[chadsmo]

Cool, like I said , I have to get it on Monday and see how I like the draw on it anyhow. Right now the only things I've vaped really are a really crappy 510 cig-a-like kit, a mini vivi nova and my carto tank.

 

[grindle]

Yeah, second hole for the vapoury win.

They place the hole on the AGA close enough to the base, so another complimenting it 1.5-2mm above that would ensure most air-coil contact.
Any further up and the air might get sucked up just past where the coil ends (bearing in mind that most coils are something like 4mm wide).

 

[motelgrim]

#6 NOW, here's the one thing, the thing that ZAPS the flavor right into your vape; use your fully topped off genny as a driipping atomizer at the same time. It actually brings the flavors of a genny (deep and warm) and a dripper (bright and airy) on at the same time. Symphonic, Stereophonic? Stereoaromatic!

I agree totally. The phoenix is a great example of that. To me, second to atomizer dripping, the phoenix with cotton yarn is the most flavorful vape I've ever enjoyed. The yarn swells quite a bit with liquid and holds a hell of a lot. It's the closest I've come to an atomizer flavor.

You can do that with the AGA-T...it just seems like a shame to not use that awesome tank and cotton doesn't seem to wick UP very well but I concede that I haven't played with yarn insofar as wicking vertically. I'm not *really* a fan of SS mesh other than it's relatively flavorless, and super durable. I don't feel like it's particularly flavorful insofar as the eliquid goes. Not compared to dripping.

Maybe I'll do an experiment tonight with the AGA and cotton and see how it goes.

 

[Thrasher]

I don't feel like it's particularly flavorful insofar as the eliquid goes.

I thought the same thing until i finaly found the cobination that works ( mesh size, amount of mesh how to roll etc.) now i sit and drip and puff on my geni and find no difference other them temp of the vape.


Several atty's have been built around the concept of changing the way the air moves inside. the z attys are designed to fill first then go up, the cobra was designed with the tight draw and the slim but tall cap to create a venturi effect across the wick and the foggatti is bored as so the only space in the cap is oval and only enough room for the wick and post, you cannot even put the cap on sideways to the airhole as there isnt any room, this causes condensing of the vapor.

 

[motelgrim]

Plugging the oversized hole I drilled on AGA. Thinking of redrilling with in-line holes (2 @ 1/32). Horizontal, vertical? Distance apart? Any ideas, or tried and true layouts out there?

Yeah, I'm *really* considering plugging the 1/16" hole I made and using 2 small holes spanning the entire length of the exposed wick (one near the top, one near the bottom, evenly spaced).

 

[motelgrim]

Drill the holes vertically, about 2mm apart. I've got a similar build on another dripper and it fills me up with vapour much faster than I thought it would, so much that I find it hard to take the usual 5 second draw without spluttering.
Which was the point. Short draw = heaven.

My 1ohm coil on the AGA is a vapor machine and it only takes a second to blow your head off but there is almost no throat hit and the draw is SO airy. When I plug the hole somewhat, the flavor comes out bigtime but I get less vapor....not a lot less, but less.

I've come to the point in my vaping life that every hit I take doesn't need to be an entry into a vapor clouds competition. That, in fact, it's detrimental to me more than beneficial. Just like video cards in computers: you can go for max FPS with total disregard for picture quality, or you can go for image quality at the expense of FPS....I'm shooting for quality these days.

 

[grindle]

That's cool too, just set airhole a couple of mm to the side of the wick. Throathit, voila. I prefer upping the nic or alcohol content for throathit AND massive vapour (by way of dual coils) - whatever floats your boat.

 

[kimbo55]

Wanting to plug the fill hole to keep the chamber from getting excess juice in it and leaking out the air hole. Anyone have a type of plug you can leave in and still vape?? My Phoenix screw was a sloppy fit from day one.

 

[ninfreak]

some may disagree with me, but plugging the fill hole is generally a bad idea. causes pressure issues in the juice tank, and makes wicking less than good, especially if you are using a solid wick

 

[pdib]

I've got my aga all set up normal (ss mesh and all that); and I'll be vaping away at it, then I'll reach over for my juice and drip it in there, 2, 3 drops, pow, then maybe just keep tucking away on the tank contents. So I didn't change the set-up at all. Love my Phoenix, but (and I think its condensation, maybe), if I put in, say 7 drops, the first three draws are bright and the next ten are . . . . less so. With dripping on the aga (mid-stream), I get the brights, then back to genny flavor.

 

[PhreakySTS9]

Somebody needs to invent a fill plug like this.

Airlock 3 piece type : Midwest Supplies

I don't even know that it would be possible for this kind of situation but it would be cool to have a fill plug that lets air in but not out. That way you could vape with it in but it wouldn't impede wicking!

 

[pdib]

Someone has a thread where they drilled out the neg. post, then use that tiny screw as a finger screw and let air in at the wire hole (1/2 way down the post). Thread is something like "Drilled air hole in my AGA-t" COOL idea.

 

[motelgrim]

Somebody needs to invent a fill plug like this.

Airlock 3 piece type : Midwest Supplies

I don't even know that it would be possible for this kind of situation but it would be cool to have a fill plug that lets air in but not out. That way you could vape with it in but it wouldn't impede wicking!

Have you seen the thread with Studiovape's adjustable fill plug?
It's not leak proof but it's pretty tight, nonetheless.

Genesis tank adjustable breather hole solved