Genny noob here

[genevieve]

Hey guys...

I've been rebuilding for a decent amount of time now with a kayfun lite, igo's and an ithaka clone. I'm about to get my first genny cuz I, well I just want to. Anyway, my question is what materials and sizes would you guys recommend for a starter setup? Meaning what materials are easiest to with with. It doesn't matter what ohns I'm vaping at. Meaning, I just want to hear what is EASIEST to work with til I get good at it. Mesh is a brand new thing for me

Btw, tho I don't think it really matters, I'll be using a RSST on both my provari and nemmy. Fyi I usually prefer a .8-1.3 build.

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[MattyB1503]

I find 500 mesh to wick the best, for me. I order from OKC Vapes (Stainless Steel Mesh). They may not have the rock bottom cheapest price ever, but 7 bucks for a 6" X 6" and 13 for a 12" x 12" is pretty competitive. Even with shipping it's certainly cheaper than any Brick and Mortar. I think the last 12" x 12" sheet I had lasted me ~ 8 months.

Other than mesh you're just gonna need Kanthal, I suggest 28 gauge. A 2/3 wrap or 3/4 wrap will get you within the range you're calling out.

That's it really. There is all kinds or other builds you can run in a RSST, but if you want to try out a Genesis all you need is mesh, wire and a bit of practice.

Edit: A butane torch for oxidizing the mesh is not 100% necessary but it will help you get a build up and running a lot quicker also.

 

[emus]

Twisted Kanthal 30 GA and cotton wick works for me.

 

[genevieve]

Twisted Kanthal 30 GA and cotton wick works for me.

Twisted kanthal? Is that 2 pieces twisted together then coiled?

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[genevieve]

Can I use a cotton or silica wick with theBBC rsst?

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[emus]

Twisted kanthal? Is that 2 pieces twisted together then coiled?

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Yes.
Easy to do w/ a drill.
See Youtube.
Just one of many ways to make a good coil.

 

[WattWick]

Heh! Gennievieve...

This is just an opinion. If you really want to try a gennie, I'd say go all out and try SS mesh. I prefer 500-mesh. I've also had success with 400-mesh. Cotton is all fine and dandy, but I see no reason to use a gennie for that since you might as well stick it in your KFL or somesuch. One of the key points about gennies with SS mesh for me is set-and-forget. Once set up, there is no need to go mocking about with re-wicking and such every couple of days. Again, just an opinion. I enjoy setting up gear, but I don't enjoy having to set up gear. Personal preference.

There is no need to torch the heck out of the wick. I soak mine in juice and set them on fire, holding them vertically and letting the flame burn its way down.

You can use cotton or silica in gennies, but again, for me that sort of defeats the purpose.

Since you're OK with setups down to .8 ohms I second MattyBs suggestion to go for 28 awg kanthal. Not only will you get your desired resistance at about 4 wraps, but I find it easier to work with than thinner wires. 28 awg you can wrap fairly snug without having it bite into the wick like thinner wires might.

Get ready to get annoyed. I hear the RSST is fairly easy to get working, tho.

 

[emus]

Perhaps there is a thread stating the pro and con of different coil builds?

All the wicks can do a good job if set up right. Some random experiences Iv'e had:

Cotton: Wicks good from 0 VG to 100 VG. Fairly easy to get intimate coil/wick contact. Clean taste unless there is a hot or dry spot. Durable. Capable of Pinoy sized clouds. Can pull wick up to clean.

Mesh: Need to match liquid viscosity to wick design for decent wicking. Still may require genesis tilt. Not easy to get perfect wick to coil contact. Durable. Dry burn clean ok.

Silica: Clean taste. Forgiving if have dry spot. Durable. Not easy as cotton to get perfect wick coil contact. Can dry burn clean.

 

[genevieve]

Heh! Gennievieve...

This is just an opinion. If you really want to try a gennie, I'd say go all out and try SS mesh. I prefer 500-mesh. I've also had success with 400-mesh. Cotton is all fine and dandy, but I see no reason to use a gennie for that since you might as well stick it in your KFL or somesuch. One of the key points about gennies with SS mesh for me is set-and-forget. Once set up, there is no need to go mocking about with re-wicking and such every couple of days. Again, just an opinion. I enjoy setting up gear, but I don't enjoy having to set up gear. Personal preference.

There is no need to torch the heck out of the wick. I soak mine in juice and set them on fire, holding them vertically and letting the flame burn its way down.

You can use cotton or silica in gennies, but again, for me that sort of defeats the purpose.

Since you're OK with setups down to .8 ohms I second MattyBs suggestion to go for 28 awg kanthal. Not only will you get your desired resistance at about 4 wraps, but I find it easier to work with than thinner wires. 28 awg you can wrap fairly snug without having it bite into the wick like thinner wires might.

Get ready to get annoyed. I hear the RSST is fairly easy to get working, tho.

Wow...that's definitely a good thing....the set and forget (why I like cotton builds). ABOUT how long til a mesh wick goes bad? With, say 50/50 juice?

 

[genevieve]

Perhaps there is a thread stating the pro and con of different coil builds?

All the wicks can do a good job if set up right. Some random experiences Iv'e had:

Cotton: Wicks good from 0 VG to 100 VG. Fairly easy to get intimate coil/wick contact. Clean taste unless there is a hot or dry spot. Durable. Capable of Pinoy sized clouds. Can pull wick up to clean.

Mesh: Need to match liquid viscosity to wick design for decent wicking. Still may require genesis tilt. Not easy to get perfect wick to coil contact. Durable. Dry burn clean ok.

Silica: Clean taste. Forgiving if have dry spot. Durable. Not easy as cotton to get perfect wick coil contact. Can dry burn clean.

Thanks....and yes I agree that would make a good thread...perhaps a sticky.

 

[WattWick]

Wow...that's definitely a good thing....the set and forget (why I like cotton builds). ABOUT how long til a mesh wick goes bad? With, say 50/50 juice?

It varies from liquid to liquid how much they gunk up. Some gunk up after a few days, some can go for a couple of weeks. Hard to tell exactly as I don't use one exclusively. The only maintenance I do is to dry burn and squirt some water on them. I usually do this when it's time to clean the tank anyway.

Other than that, I have wicks that have been in use for ~3 months+ (I think) and show no sign of needing to be replaced. Just don't overdo the dry burn, or you will burn holes in the mesh.

Takes some effort to learn, but probably the most effortless setup once you got it set up to your liking.

 

[MattyB1503]

Wow...that's definitely a good thing....the set and forget (why I like cotton builds). ABOUT how long til a mesh wick goes bad? With, say 50/50 juice?

Once your coil gunks up you'll notice a drop off in flavor and vapor. I'm talking like 30+ml though (depending on juice). But, when your coil has too much buildup you just drain the tank, dry burn it off, then re-fill. Good to go.

Every setup has pros and cons but that is really one of the strong points of a Genesis build. Once they'er set up you can run them for easily 100ml (dry burning in between).

Edit: Wooops, didn't see you had replied already WattWick

 

[CanOfBeans]

Forgive this noob, but why is genesis synonymous with mesh? They say they're designed for mesh. Really? How so? Other wicking material works, No?

 

[WattWick]

Other wicking materials work. I haven't had too much success with silica/ekowool, tho, but I haven't given it a lot of tries. I prefer SS mesh over silica and cotton anyway, so I haven't really bothered. Sort of defeats the purpose for me. Just a theory; seems to me silica likes to hold liquid at its surface, and pulling liquid through narrow wick holes, like in a gennie, is not its forté. I came to the same conclusion with top-coil clearos, where it seems the silica prefers to keep a drop of liquid pressed up against the tank wall instead of moving it to the coil.

If you already own a gennie and think that cotton is better for you, go ahead and set up an auto dripper. However, I see no reason to buy a gennie just to set it up for cotton or silica. There are better options for those materials, like the Kayfun Lite and such.

Just my 2 cents. Very much a subjective opinion.

 

[emus]

The thing I like about mesh is how easy it is to slip it into a peter k wrap. I didn't perfect mesh wicking so I'd get dry hits when not paying attention. I stated wrapping mesh w/ cheese cloth strands (youtube); worked great unless I had a careless dry burn accident. I'd already got past the simplicity of the mesh so I went to silica and cotton. Silica is challenging to wrap a pretty round coil. Have cotton in all my RBA at the moment. Maybe I'll give mesh another go one day.

 

[DDN79]

Stainless cable and ekowool insulator is my go to. It wicks way better then, cotton, stainless mesh, and silica. I never have to do the genny tilt.

 

[CanOfBeans]

Nice, thanks guys.

 

[emus]

Stainless cable and ekowool insulator is my go to. It wicks way better then, cotton, stainless mesh, and silica. I never have to do the genny tilt.

Does the coil heat up slower w/ cable?
How to wrap 28 or thicker wire on ekowool w/o choking it?
What cable and ekowool do you like?

 

[folkphys]

My answers follow:

Does the coil heat up slower w/ cable?
No, the steel is insulated from the coil by the ekowool so it cannot act as a heat sink.

How to wrap 28 or thicker wire on ekowool w/o choking it?
Try using a tiny nail pressed up against the wick as you wrap a tight coil. Then remove the nail when you're done. But really, the ekowool doesn't do the wicking, the steel rope does. I've never had a choking problem, even with the tightest of wraps. The steel is the wick, the ekowool is there only at the top, whre the coil is, acting as a sponge+insulator

What cable and ekowool do you like?
Size or type?
Type: Stainless steel 7X9 braided rope is what I use. NO GALVANIZED
Size: depends on the size of the wick hole

Type: Hollow Ekowool or XS-_ silica sleeving
Size: 3mm

 

[emus]

My answers follow:

I can drill hole any size. Do you think the cable size and sleeve size makes much difference?